(02-07-2023, 08:28 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]OG, Precious
for
Wood, Hardy, Frank, 2027 FRP
Quickley, Fournier
for
Bullock, Powell
Point - Luka, Quickley
Guard - Irving, Fournier
Wing - Green, THJ
Forward - OG, Maxi, Morris
Center - Precious, McGee
Of course I'd do both, but not enough to get either one done. Both teams laugh at us and hang up. They are asking for 3 #1's for OG alone. Quickley won't be included for Bullock and Powell even to get off Fournier.
(02-07-2023, 08:46 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]Of course I'd do both, but not enough to get either one done. Both teams laugh at us and hang up. They are asking for 3 #1's for OG alone. Quickley won't be included for Bullock and Powell even to get off Fournier.
Wood (with financial certainty) and Hardy are each worth a FRP. A frontcourt of Wood, Siakam, Barnes is insane.
It depends on how much NYK values Bullock and wants to unload Fournier.
Wood for Crowder even swap
(02-07-2023, 07:39 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]I’m starting to think that selling high on our remaining draft pick is the right way to go. If this goes well, our picks will go back to being worthless. They won’t buy as much
This one pick would be highly coveted between now and Thursday. Use it to take care of all the remaining business in one move without sending out Hardy/Green
I'm totally on board with this, but assuming its not Ayton, I have not heard a lot of suggestions regarding who we could get for that pick. I'm still trying to find a defensive big wing who would be worth that pick and available.
(02-07-2023, 09:18 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Wood for Crowder even swap
I know the market for Wood is low but it can't be that low, can it?
(02-07-2023, 09:18 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Wood for Crowder even swap
I had never considered this. Killer has been warning us something like this might happen.
(02-07-2023, 09:26 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I had never considered this. Killer has been warning us something like this might happen.
A big rotation of Morris/Bertans/Powell/Maxi
What could go wrong?
Y'all. We're given 1/4 of the actual banter between GMs. Believe me, Wood is valuable and desirable, to the point I hope we keep him.
Let's just go for it, go get Ayton. Luka-Kyrie-Green-Kleber-Ayton starting 5 would be amazing. Maybe Hardy has more of last night in him and can be a 6th man sooner than later.
Between the two deals being presented here (Ayton and Crowder or Collins and Bogdan) I think I like the Atl trade more. Thinking of Ayton on the team, our offense would change quite a bit to accommodate for his need to post up a decent amount per game. That as opposed to Collins where we can keep on keeping on with outside shooting and pick n rolls. Difference is we would have guys who are much better at attacking the close out.
I say that and in my mind I think, Collins MAY be a better defender than Wood, but I’m not so sure the difference is as pronounced as it has been made out to be here. He also hasn’t shown to be a better offensive player than Wood, and if he was as good as is being touted, the Hawks would be in a much better spot, wouldn’t they?
I don’t know what to think about all that honestly, I just know there are so many doubts in my mind with Collins at this point, where there were few a couple years ago.
This leads me to other options. I know I keep harping on this, but I really think the Cha or NYK trades are potentially better options to fill up our roster with good and age appropriate (to Luka) players.
Getting Rozier/Hayward/PJ/McDaniels for THJ/Bertans/Wood/McGee/27 gets us 4 rotation players for 2.
Getting Hartenstein/Toppin/Fournier/Rose/Reddish for Levert/Wood/Bullock/McGee could get us a possibility of 5 rotation players for 3. Pretty confident NYK would not take THJ back.
I also think these deals are closer to getting done than the other 2 deals, just my opinion though.
(02-07-2023, 09:44 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]Y'all. We're given 1/4 of the actual banter between GMs. Believe me, Wood is valuable and desirable, to the point I hope we keep him.
You might be right, but he was on the block for a year in Houston. A whole year, and the asking price was a single, late first. Dallas' offer was reported to be the one and only bite Houston received, and it came attached to 4-5 guys who they just wanted to dump. Most of them aren't in the league anymore.
What is it you think he has done since then to become valuable?
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of his talent and potential, but he's on an expiring deal and wants to be an All Star, meaning he wants an All Star-like featured role on All Star money. No good team is going to give him that, and no bottom feeder is interested in a 27 year old project. A good team might be interested in him as a rental, a means to clear some money off their books or both, but I don't see anyone paying too much for that in trade.
Ayton is playing well lately. He had 33pts and 14 rebs tonight as Phoenix beat Brooklyn. Booker came back tonight as well. He might not be going anywhere.
(02-07-2023, 09:18 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Wood for Crowder even swap
As Smitty points out, there would be more work to be done. If we like Ayton at $3o+ million, do we like Poeltl at about $20mm? THJ and 27? Bertans and 27?
Poeltl/Powell
Maxi/Crowder (or visa versa)
Green/Reggie
Irving/THJ
Luka/Irving
(02-07-2023, 11:06 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]As Smitty points out, there would be more work to be done. If we like Ayton at $3o+ million, do we like Poeltl at about $20mm? THJ and 27? Bertans and 27?
Poeltl/Powell
Maxi/Crowder (or visa versa)
Green/Reggie
Irving/THJ
Luka/Irving
I doubt Phoenix would even want Wood for an even swap with Crowder.
(02-07-2023, 11:11 PM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]I doubt Phoenix would even want Wood for an even swap with Crowder.
Hard to know. I’m not hearing a ton of teams lining up for Jae. It would help to know what LAC was thinking about in a Wood deal. Morris? Covington? Do we see those guys much differently than Crowder?
If we are to move Wood, I think k like PJ Washington and Nick Richards. What else do we need to add or take on to make that happen?
Richards is a restricted free agent and after my exhaustive scouting (a few toutube highlights) looks like the perfect backup center. He also looks like he has some upside to his game.
Pj Washington can pair with Maxi to provide solid Pf play.
(02-07-2023, 11:17 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Hard to know. I’m not hearing a ton of teams lining up for Jae. It would help to know what LAC was thinking about in a Wood deal. Morris? Covington? Do we see those guys much differently than Crowder?
I don't think we would want both Morris twins together again. If they trade Wood they're going to need to get a 5 somehow. I'm not really a Poeltl fan personally, and think Ayton if available would be the better play.
(02-07-2023, 10:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]You might be right, but he was on the block for a year in Houston. A whole year, and the asking price was a single, late first. Dallas' offer was reported to be the one and only bite Houston received, and it came attached to 4-5 guys who they just wanted to dump. Most of them aren't in the league anymore.
What is it you think he has done since then to become valuable?
Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of his talent and potential, but he's on an expiring deal and wants to be an All Star, meaning he wants an All Star-like featured role on All Star money. No good team is going to give him that, and no bottom feeder is interested in a 27 year old project. A good team might be interested in him as a rental, a means to clear some money off their books or both, but I don't see anyone paying too much for that in trade.
If this is the bottom line with Wood, and presuming the Shams report that the Mavs did offer him a two-year extension is true, and if he likes being here, it's kind of hard to understand why he doesn't just sign the damn contract. Of course, I'm even starting to wonder if the Mavs might end up regretting it if he did.
(02-07-2023, 11:22 PM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think we would want both Morris twins together again.
What do you mean? That would keep Luka safe. At least except during practice.
If the Clippers' interest was real, and knowing that they would have to give something, I'd be pretty happy with Batum and either Zubac (homerun) or a pick (helpful for future deals).
(02-07-2023, 08:00 PM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs clearly don't value any draft picks seeing as they put zero protections on their 2029.
I agree Cuban generally doesn't seem to care about picks. But in this case, I don't think it was part of the "why."
Adding protections (where the 2029 pick would wait to be conveyed to the following year, if's in the top ___) was impossible, not allowed by rules.
The Mavs were not making a choice.
The choice to use 2029 pick, rather than 2027, that was theirs -- but if they had traded 2027 protected, then they would have no picks to offer in a needed follow-up trade. And by trading 2029 "unprotected," it did add appeal, because BKN thinks "whoa, what if" rather than thinking the Mavs are going to send them a low 1st that they won't even get for 6 more years.
I know there are plenty of naysayers with legit reasons to doubt Kyrie. But given his talent (which is neither in dispute, nor in decline -- this is a superstar in his prime), we may look back in a few years and think that sending only a single 1st for Kyrie, and one that wasn't even usable on bringing in another talent for half a decade, was an incredible steal.