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AYO!!!!!!!!!!!

(02-06-2023, 04:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1622...30686?s=20&t=gK8i77yq2vTf2tlXOYAk_g


AYO!!!!!!!!!!!

Are they really going to make IamDougieFresh that happy?

(02-06-2023, 04:44 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Bruh WTF.

FVV over Dinwiddie? Really?

Don't really understand this boards issue with Fred.  He scores 20 points a game on decent efficiency, he is a good high volume 3 point shooter (having a down year so far but historically much better than Din) an efficient playmaker, and a wildly better defender than Din.  He would make a ton of sense next to Luka and he would make a ton of sense with the Nets.

Really curious what a Vanderbilt deal would look like. Hardaway/Wood/2027 for Vanderbilt/bad contracts? All of their “bad” contracts are shorter than Hardaway so I can’t figure out how we could angle ourselves here.

Vanderbilt and his skill set are exactly what we need now that god king is gone.

(02-06-2023, 05:04 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Really curious what a Vanderbilt deal would look like. Hardaway/Wood/2027 for Vanderbilt/bad contracts? All of their “bad” contracts are shorter than Hardaway so I can’t figure out how we could angle ourselves here.

Vanderbilt and his skill set are exactly what we need now that god king is gone.

I'm not familiar with Vanderbilt, but just looking at his stats, why does he have that kind of value? Just because he's young?

(02-06-2023, 05:03 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Don't really understand this boards issue with Fred.  He scores 20 points a game on decent efficiency, he is a good high volume 3 point shooter (having a down year so far but historically much better than Din) an efficient playmaker, and a wildly better defender than Din.  He would make a ton of sense next to Luka and he would make a ton of sense with the Nets.

I have no issue with FVV, and I'm a bit confused if you thought my post was a negative reaction to that potential trade was because I didn't think he was a good player...?

I've made countless mock trades for FVV. He is all the things you described (although I'll push back on the decent efficiency as he as been a sub 40% FG shooter for most of his career). 

But as to everything else? Totally agree. For the Nets though, I think Dinwiddie makes a ton more sense, especially because he most closely replicates what Kyrie can do vs. Fred, AND is locked up for 1 more year. The Nets appear to be totally fine moving additional assets for a marginal upgrade and take the pleasure for throwing FVV 30+mil a year for a contract that'll take him into his mid thirties. 

That's why this is a WTF moment.

(02-06-2023, 05:07 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not familiar with Vanderbilt, but just looking at his stats, why does he have that kind of value? Just because he's young?

He’s a super high level wing defender. We had one of those until yesterday.

(02-06-2023, 05:07 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not familiar with Vanderbilt, but just looking at his stats, why does he have that kind of value? Just because he's young?

He's a great switch defender that can guard 2-5 and hustles like crazy for rebounds. He can't shoot. He's basically DFS before his jumpshot. Those guys are carrying a lot of value right now.

(02-06-2023, 04:02 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: [ -> ]Man I just don’t see what you see in THJ. He’s a shooter that shot 33.6% from three Las t year and is at 34.9% this year.  I don’t think anyone wants to take on that contract for “free.” We’ve been shopping him publicly for weeks.

I just have a ton of respect for those guys who have the skillset to run around screens and get shots off quickly, in a variety of ways, despite the defense knowing that creating a shot for them is the goal of the action even before it starts. Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen, Dell Curry, JJ Redick, etc. 

Now, I admit that the percentages haven't been there since Kidd took over, but remember, he's still recovering from that major injury (takes more time than impatient fans are willing to give) and honestly, Kidd's offense doesn't seem interested in creating those kind of shots the way Carlisle's was. The fit just isn't as good here with Kidd. Sure, he still gets the open spot up shots from Luka, and sure, it would be nice for him to hit them at a higher clip, but it's got to be weird for him having to play like Bullock or DFS on offense. That's not who he is. I think the league knows that, and I think it's pretty clear he'd be a more impactful player in the right situation. 

To his credit, though, he's a consummate professional, always saying or doing the right things and always upbeat and positive. I respect that about him, personally. But, the team/system he's in these days isn't the one he thought he was taking the discounted contract offer to stay with. I feel he has done his part pretty obviously by focusing on his defense, and honestly, I'd take his defense right now over Bullock's without a second's hesitation. I also think all the talk about him being a ball stopper is utter crap. He's a GREAT ball mover, but his role is to get shots off. That's literally what they pay him for, and frankly, what they need him to do. Which is why the only complaining you'll ever hear about a Hardaway shot is from fans, never from the team. The ball-stopper on this team just got traded to Brooklyn, and that's one of the positives of this deal. 

I definitely don't think of Hardaway as a great player, and in fact, I think it's probably time for him to move on (though the team sure is going through a lot of culture change at the moment, so I could make an argument that maybe they should keep him a bit longer, too). I just don't think someone of his offensive skill and professional demeanor on a reasonable, declining contract is a negative asset. I think that's insane. 

There were people on this board saying Dinwiddie and DFS (believe it or not) were on bad contracts, and look how the media is describing them in the wake of this trade..."nice players"..."quality starters"..."DFS is one of the better wing defenders in the league"..."Dinwiddie is a valuable, starting level PG"...etc, etc. I think home team fans get sick of watching home team players because...boredom, I suppose. 

Hardaway is a better player than Caris LaVert. I feel like I can say that with confidence. I think that if Cleveland is interested, that deal will be there. Hardaway definitely isn't the type where teams will automatically be interested just because he's available, and I'm not meaning to suggest otherwise, but if a team interested in an off-ball shooter who can do more to create space than spot up and wait for his man to go help on someone else, Hardaway is on that list...pretty high on it, I'd think, and his contract, to THAT team, won't be scary.

(02-06-2023, 05:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]He's a great switch defender that can guard 2-5 and hustles like crazy for rebounds. He can't shoot. He's basically DFS before his jumpshot. Those guys are carrying a lot of value right now.

Sounds good. Thank you

(02-06-2023, 05:04 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Really curious what a Vanderbilt deal would look like. Hardaway/Wood/2027 for Vanderbilt/bad contracts? All of their “bad” contracts are shorter than Hardaway so I can’t figure out how we could angle ourselves here.

Vanderbilt and his skill set are exactly what we need now that god king is gone.

His defense is a perfect fit, but he brings a different offensive skillset.  He does not really space the floor at all.  I think you are overvaluing him from an asset perspective.  He plays 24 minutes a game and has never scored more than 10 points a game.  There are rumors he is not considered a core piece in Utah.  Does not make sense to send out Wood as the point of Vandy is to pair with Wood.  Our 2027 will have to be unprotected.  That will be a very valuable pick.  Timmy + that pick might actually be worth Vandy and the expiring Clarkson.

https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/...11746?s=20&t=gK8i77yq2vTf2tlXOYAk_g


Seems like stuff is moving.

(02-06-2023, 05:03 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Don't really understand this boards issue with Fred.  He scores 20 points a game on decent efficiency, he is a good high volume 3 point shooter (having a down year so far but historically much better than Din) an efficient playmaker, and a wildly better defender than Din.  He would make a ton of sense next to Luka and he would make a ton of sense with the Nets.

He'd make the MOST sense with LAC, because both George and Leonard are mid-range monsters. 

He'd make a little more sense with BRK, because KD is the best mid-range player in the league, maybe. 

The success Dallas has had, to this point, has been about attacking from the perimeter when Luka gets trapped. An average defense is going to run you off the 3point line in that situation, but a GOOD one can ALSO take away the paint on the same recovery, which is why Dinwiddie <<<<<<< Brunson in the role he's had this year. The ability to create at that third, middle level, is the arms race in the NBA right now. 

Kyrie Irving can do that better than Brunson even, in theory, and there aren't many who can.

EDIT: Not to die on several crosses, simultaneously, but this is why I would've maxed Brunson and figured out fit later. He's insanely more valuable in today's game than the majority of this community seems to realize. He's 75% of Kyrie Irving but in the form of a decent person who cares about his team.

(02-06-2023, 05:03 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Don't really understand this boards issue with Fred.  He scores 20 points a game on decent efficiency, he is a good high volume 3 point shooter (having a down year so far but historically much better than Din) an efficient playmaker, and a wildly better defender than Din.  He would make a ton of sense next to Luka and he would make a ton of sense with the Nets.

Not a single season above league average TS%. He has been a better 3-point shooter in the past but that isn´t the real problem. Just like many really small guards he struggles in the paint. 43% Career two-point percentage. Also not drawing a lot of fouls.
One dimensional offense with a heavy focus on 3-point attempts. Including a high volume of off dribble 3s. Considering that the Mavs already have a 3-point heavy offense and that SD was trending in a similar direction this season I would prefer someone that can get to the rim.

Why are Vanderbilt‘s on off numbers so terrible?

Looks like a complete non shooter. I don’t see much value in that tbqh. I’d view him as a filler in a trade with marginal value.

He might be a DFS starter kit bit DFS was rightfully paid a minimum contract before he learned to shoot the basketball at the Nba level.

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I’d happily see them just extend Wood, maybe there’s something happening there. We could use some continuity in our frontcourt now that a high minutes player like DFS is gone.

My latest probably terrible trade

(02-06-2023, 05:22 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]My latest probably terrible trade

I just want to know if the whole "cap space as a fallback" nonsense is coming from the team. If so, you can bet your life that anyone else they add at this deadline will be expiring money, which fits their MO for the past few seasons, anyway. 

Jae Crowder.
Kevin Love.

Start envisioning what it would take to get one of those guys.

(02-06-2023, 05:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]EDIT: Not to die on several crosses, simultaneously, but this is why I would've maxed Brunson and figured out fit later. He's insanely more valuable in today's game than the majority of this community seems to realize. He's 75% of Kyrie Irving but in the form of a decent person who cares about his team.

Time to open your third eye KL. JB is gone. We are enlightened now.

Vandervilt is a glue guy..poor version of J.Isaak in my opinion(or Siakam defensively)..can defend bigger wings and protect paint,good rebounder and energy type,dynamic...has shown a slight improvement in his 3 and he could improve a bit from there, because he is quite young...on paper he fits very well together with Wood they combine their strengths and weaknesses very well...(don't pay much attention to me either, with one hand You count the games I've seen of yours) ... I've been sniffing the Knicks forum since 2 things are also after him .. the offer is rumored to be Fournier/Toppin/FRP for Beasley/Vandervilt and they are discussing protections.. Guess Ainge wants an unprotected FRP..(it's not worth it).. Transferring that to the Mavs, what would it cost us? Green or Hardy and FRP unprotected..??heck hard no, from me.. My bets are Covington and Mcdaniels(Hornets)..what I would like.. if we are going to send FRP and/or Wood I hope Turner is arriving