(01-28-2023, 12:00 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Also to Kamm, Bullock worth a first? Really?
Yeah. In this market, yeah. The guy averaged 39.3 minutes per game as a starter in a run to the Western Conference Finals last year while shooting 40% from three. If you could turn a 1st round pick into that kind of player, you do it.
I get that he has had a rough go of things this year and has looked slow and lost at times. But his shooting has come around and his on-court impact is starting to even out as well.
(01-28-2023, 12:15 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]* I don't think Quickley or Grimes are too much to ask. They are role players. Not special.
Talk about running down players. They're still on their rookie deals and you've already got them pegged. You don't get guys on their rookie deals cause you think they're finished products (and many of them aren't, especially ones that have shown promise). I mean, we had those who were hanging on to Green's end of season slight showing all offseason.
Imagine if we had a rookie scale contract guy that averaged 20 ppg during an 8 game stretch run where he was filling in for a starter (Quickley while Barrett was injured). How many calls for Kidd's head would we have on this board for putting him back on the bench? We have guys now upset with Kidd if Hardy doesn't get at least 5 minutes of burn every game.
Mavs will probably just deal Reggie for Cam straight up. It will save them some money this year.
(01-28-2023, 01:04 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs will probably just deal Reggie for Cam straight up. It will save them some money this year.
Don't be silly
This is the Mavs they'll add a second rounder for no good reason
(01-27-2023, 02:36 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Surprised there's not more Dwight Powell fans on this board advocating to try to pry Jericho Sims away from the Knicks. Very similar players, he'd fit in great with Luka in the PnR and has all the tools to play well in a high switching defense. With Powell expiring, it would be nice to have his skill set locked up in a younger player on a much cheaper contract.
He was one of the guys I targeted as a late
Round second round pick that I hoped Nico would buy a pick in his first draft. Some of the others I highlighted have not worked out. Powell is a nice comparison. They both play with energy. Sims is bigger, stronger. I would have Interest in him. But he is in a cheap contract the next two years. So may be tough to get as a throw in.
Hardaway for Ross and Bamba could make sense
(01-28-2023, 08:08 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Hardaway for Ross and Bamba could make sense
So, just a salary dump? You retaining either past the current season?
(01-28-2023, 09:14 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]So, just a salary dump? You retaining either past the current season?
1) salary dump to re-sign Wood and stay out of the tax next year
2) Ross as a rest of season replacement for Hardaway
3) Bamba as a flier. See what he looks like with Luka rest of season. Especially with Maxi out we need a body
4) Bamba non-guaranteed could be an ideal trade chip for an offseason move before draft(i think the timing works for this)
5) opens up minutes for Green/Hardy
6) maybe get a 2nd back in the deal too?
(01-28-2023, 09:33 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]4) Bamba non-guaranteed could be an ideal trade chip for an offseason move before draft(i think the timing works for this)
That’s an interesting aspect of this. Might do Harris over Ross and accomplish the same thing. You’d have to guarantee the money in order to count it in a trade.
I’d want to know what the rules are around extensions in the new CBA before considering this. I think THJ has more value than this and would want something I could hang onto other than salaries that expire sooner. If they don’t fix the extension rules by the TDL (supposedly an announcement is coming just before the TDL), then I might consider something like this. I do like this better than straight up LeVert because of the optionality of the Bamba and Harris contracts. But, I don’t think anyone is going to give Bamba $10mm this summer if he makes it to FA.
Getting guys like Bamba is okay but you don't know still if that level of player is even that playable.
The target I want is Turner. Turner for Wood. Give up some kind of asset if you need to. Turner wants to be here and is 26. He is the rim protector we have wanted. This is as cheap as he is going to be because he is expiring.
The other trade would be getting a couple young guys from NYK for Bullock (eg IQ, Cam). That's it.
(01-28-2023, 09:58 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Getting guys like Bamba is okay but you don't know still if that level of player is even that playable.
The target I want is Turner. Turner for Wood. Give up some kind of asset if you need to. Turner wants to be here and is 26. He is the rim protector we have wanted. This is as cheap as he is going to be because he is expiring.
The other trade would be getting a couple young guys from NYK for Bullock (eg IQ, Cam). That's it.
I tend to agree on Bamba. You need to consider if he is a guy who is close to figuring things out. On the other hand hearing magic fans say he is a low energy player and not a smart player give you any confidence? Does that type of player have any chance here? Especially a center where Luka expects certain things every time down the court.
Turner is interesting. I am not sure where I fall on him. I have injury concerns. If you could move Bullock for a first (nets own the sixers Pick), would u move that pick with Wood for Turner? That would be more than fair in talent but it would depend how they viewed Wood. Not sure I would do that.
(01-28-2023, 12:15 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]If NY wants Bullock, my price is Quickley or Grimes. And ...
* I'm observing Ainge or Presti. Every player that YOU want costs a FRP (or two). And some player. Let's start there.
* I don't lose sight that they are the ones asking.
* I don't think Quickley or Grimes are too much to ask. They are role players. Not special.
* No, I wouldn't be even remotely interested in adding multiple 2nds the Mavs barely have, as a cherry on top parting gift while giving NY the player they are trying to get.
* If I'm trading, I want something that makes me better. Without Quickley or Grimes, NY isn't doing that. In fact, it would be a ludicrous ask of NY to propose a trade that makes them better but does nothing helpful for DAL.
* Mavs have no picks to speak of, for a long time. Don't come here proposing to get something you want, and then looking for a pick that is in short supply in Dallas.
* If NY wants to propose some sort of pick-based something-or-other to adjust value in some way, then do you want to propose an adjustment to protections (one way or the other) on the 2023 pick?
* I think one or both of those players would be surplus to them, once they acquired Bullock, which would be a factor in their ability and willingness to use them in a trade.
I'm going to say the same thing Killer said earlier, I think we have very different evaluations of these players.
I think Quickley is better than Bullock right now, better defensively (especially this year) and a much broader offensive skillset. He is also 8 years younger and cheaper. He has the potential to be a long term piece fitting Luka's timeline. I would much rather have him on this team than Bullock and paying two seconds for that swap would be cheap. I certainly would not let a couple of seconds impact a chance to get better and younger.
(01-28-2023, 10:12 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I think Quickley is better than Bullock right now, better defensively (especially this year) and a much broader offensive skillset. He is also 8 years younger and cheaper. He has the potential to be a long term piece fitting Luka's timeline. I would much rather have him on this team than Bullock and paying two seconds for that swap would be cheap. I certainly would not let a couple of seconds impact a chance to get better and younger.
Yeah I am fine with 2nds...but not a 1st in addition to RB.
(01-28-2023, 10:12 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm going to say the same thing Killer said earlier, I think we have very different evaluations of these players.
I think Quickley is better than Bullock right now
I suspect he’s trying to make a point about being a strong negotiator. I agree that Quickley is the better player and the better fit. But in a negotiation you don’t just bend over and take it. You make points to support your view of value.
I’ve often said if Donald Trump was a local real estate broker and was selling a $700,000 house, he’d set the asking price at $3,000,000 hoping to get someone to bite on a $1.5mm bargain. In a negotiation, you can take whatever position you want to take. Much depends on how much you want the deal vs how willing you are to walk away.
(01-28-2023, 01:16 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I suspect he’s trying to make a point about being a strong negotiator. I agree that Quickley is the better player and the better fit. But in a negotiation you don’t just bend over and take it. You make points to support your view of value.
I’ve often said if Donald Trump was a local real estate broker and was selling a $700,000 house, he’d set the asking price at $3,000,000 hoping to get someone to bite on a $1.5mm bargain. In a negotiation, you can take whatever position you want to take. Much depends on how much you want the deal vs how willing you are to walk away.
We’re not negotiating anything on here. The best we can do is come up with equal value in a trade. Once that is established and the player is traded, we can see if our FO negotiated a good deal or not as a consensus. Why would we need to try and negotiate as fans on a message board? I mean, if that’s the case, let’s do Bertans next!!! I bet we could “negotiate” our way into getting something pretty decent as Mavs fans!
(01-28-2023, 01:28 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]We’re not negotiating anything on here. The best we can do is come up with equal value in a trade. Once that is established and the player is traded, we can see if our FO negotiated a good deal or not as a consensus. Why would we need to try and negotiate as fans on a message board? I mean, if that’s the case, let’s do Bertans next!!! I bet we could “negotiate” our way into getting something pretty decent as Mavs fans!
I think the overall point should be that it’s a sellers market. If we are selling players (THJ, Bullock) in this market then we need to expect more than fair market value in return. Which is why now is the right time to do this
(01-28-2023, 02:06 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]I think the overall point should be that it’s a sellers market.
I agree it is a sellers market, but not to unreasonable levels. Prices are going up, but not that much. The more likely result is less trades. While there are only a few seller, there are also only a few very desperate teams willing to do anything to be a little better. NY is not one of them, imho.
We all read about some crazy demands every couple of days. But there are still two weeks till the deadline and it doesn't mean the prices will stay high. There was one deal done so far. Rui is arguably a better player than Bullock, still young and with upside, and Lakers paid a very bad player and three not really great SRP for him. Far from FRP value.
Exactly. And THJ and Bullock have value to us. You have to be willing to walk away sometimes. The general consensus here is that we’ve been terrible negotiators in the Cuban era. Post 2011 especially.
For instance, I’d rather keep Reggie than sell low for salary relief and a 2nd rd. pick. He provides value on the court and can be useful in trade matching in the future if we keep him. So unless terms are favorable and we get something we really want, keep them. Tim serves a pretty important function here as well.
My fear is the $ angle is more important to Cuban than we know, and he may push to make less than desirable moves and sell it as “flexibility” when what he really means is “saves me money.”
I’m fine with him finding a way out of paying repeater tax, as long as it doesn’t hurt the present day product too much and he intends to go ALL IN at some point in the next two years.