Wood and Maxi for Collins
THJ and Bullock for Hayward and PJ
(11-18-2022, 11:36 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]Wood and Maxi for Collins
THJ and Bullock for Hayward and PJ
That THJ and Bullock trade does not save them money at all. It also adds longer term money. I don’t see any appeal on their side at all. Maxi can’t be traded til the offseason.
There is another idea. Rozier and PJ for Bertans, Bullock and Hardy saves them lots of money and gets them someone to develop. Backcourt of DSJ and Hardy would develop both players AND lose them games in the process!
(11-18-2022, 08:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I think I'd target THJ/Bullock for Hayward/Washington. I don't know that more minutes for Green and Frank is any worse than continuing to play Bullock. It is just so hard to know how Hayward's injury history and large salary impacts his value. Washington seems like a big ask, but his free agency status probably lowers his value a bit. If that doesn't work, Kai Jones is probably a year or two away. He didn't hit his 3's at all in the summer, but did quite nicely in the G-League last year. There is some upside there. Ultimately, the secondary part of the deal probably ends up mattering more than the THJ/Hayward swap in the long run.
Great post and good summary.
I think the Mavs sending out both THJ and Bullock would shatter their wing depth, but I think the risk is worth it if it meant they could get back Washington.
The young guy I'd be interested in is Mark Williams. Clifford isn't playing him at all and CHA forums aren't particularly thrilled with what they've seen. A bit pie in the sky but I'd love to have him.
As to what's Haywards perceived value? My 2 cents is that it's incredibly low. Like KP level low. In fact that's a pretty good comparison. Both are fragile offensive minded guys except KP is a bit younger. KP got a return of 2 (at the time) horrific contracts. Plus the Mavs had to pay an additional 2nd.
I'd expect CHA would have to do something similar. If the Mavs included Bullock, I think 2 young prospects would be the minimum return along with Hayward. If not then Bertans should be used.
(11-18-2022, 11:54 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]There is another idea. Rozier and PJ for Bertans, Bullock and Hardy saves them lots of money and gets them someone to develop. Backcourt of DSJ and Hardy would develop both players AND lose them games in the process!
I would do this also.
Wood and Powell for Collins then?
(11-18-2022, 08:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I think I'd target THJ/Bullock for Hayward/Washington.
Disagree that Hayward "doesn't play D" but I'd be ALL OVER this trade.
(11-18-2022, 11:54 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I think the Mavs sending out both THJ and Bullock would shatter their wing depth, but I think the risk is worth it if it meant they could get back Washington.
It's an issue, sure, but it feels like Green is ready for a full-time gig, doesn't it? And there's always Franky Smokes for depth.
I'd do it in a second, which probably means the Hornets wouldn't.
(11-18-2022, 12:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Wood is the more intriguing asset. More chance of busting out, for sure, but man, when he's playing well he's dominant.
Can you please grab Kidd by the throat and explain the truth to him?!
(11-18-2022, 11:30 AM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]How much are you all willing to pay PJ though?
Is he the secondary prize in a trade? To the point we dont care if he walks after the trade? If he is THE prize...are you willing to give him the money he wants? Because no one on the Charlotte board wants to give him the money he supposedly wants. And it seems like a majority of the posters would prefer to keep him...but not at the price he wants.
Seems as though they think he is decent...but not decent enough to overpay. Yet...they also think many teams would want him...so he is definitely a liability to walk. Seems like a bad situation to be in for an Organization from a negotiation standpoint.
But that is the way you have to deal.
I suggested trading Bullock for Hachimura, based on a few similar factors:
1.) Hachimura and Kuzma are free agents next summer.
2.) They can´t pay both.
3.) They are more likely to retain Kuzma as he is the better player (right now)
4.) They are in win now mode with Porzingis/Beal
5.) They have a hole at SF.
6.) Bullock is cost controlled.
Those are the arguments from the Wizards side. Mavs get a young player in line with Luka´s window, who has never played with a great PG and has outperformed his NBA level at FIBA tournaments, despite having inferior teammates on Japan and theoretically a game more suited to the NBA.
Therefore such a trade makes sense to me.
The same arguments, basically apply to the Bullock for PJ Washington part of the trade. The rest is basically a matter of your player evaluation skills. Though I have no doubt our owner would flat out reject Bullock for either player.
(11-18-2022, 12:21 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Can you please grab Kidd by the throat and explain the truth to him?!
I share your concerns, but there
is still the possibility that Kidd wants him out there just as badly as we do and is having to fill in gaps in his training that we can't see, resulting in the "bring him around slowly" results.
If it's still like this after Christmas I'll start to get depressed. For now, I haven't even fully healed from the Brunson thing so I have enough to be pissed off about.
(11-18-2022, 12:22 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I suggested trading Bullock for Hachimura, based on a few similar factors:
I would be all over this one, too.
Honestly, either Hachimura or Kuzma would make a significant impact here, I think. That's the exact size/type of player the team is missing, especially if Kleber is the only center on the roster they fully trust.
(11-18-2022, 12:22 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]2.) They can´t pay both.
3.) They are more likely to retain Kuzma as he is the better player (right now)
Based on everything we have seen the same applies when it comes to Cuban. Would love to be wrong but I think any trade that adds longterm salary or puts Cuban in a position where he is asked to pay a FA isn´t going to happen.
Wow I am really suprised by how easy some of you guys are giving up on our young guys(Hardy, Green). Giving them up in trades for some suspicious players, or let me say, for guys that are not game changers for this team...
We are very short on assets, let's give them all up for a 3% upgrade!
Also, serious question. Is Collins really that much of an upgrade over Wood?
(11-18-2022, 12:48 PM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]Is Collins really that much of an upgrade over Wood?
100% if Kidd will actually play him when it matters and lean on him for offense.
Atlanta wants to use Collins to get better. So, they aren’t taking our junk.
The reason a Hayward trade might work is he’s a big dollar injury prone guy who no longer fits his team’s timeline. The main two things about this for Dallas is getting out of the Hardaway mistake a year earlier and getting that third creator (doesn’t have to be a pg to be a creator). Hayward would also be a big expiring contract to be used in a summer trade or at the 2023 TDL.
I don’t see a place for Rozier here if Hayward is incoming. I’d rather focus on a mobile big who can hit threes and play some D. Washington (and to a lesser extent Jones) provides that. Washington could also be potentially helpful in a big summer trade. How can we make a deal that sets up the next deal while keeping us competitive in the near term should be the focus.
Wood. Powell
PJ-Wash. Maxi
DFS. Green
Hayward. Luka or Hayward
Luka. SD
(11-18-2022, 01:12 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]they aren’t taking our junk.
So they won't take DFS and Maxi for instance?
(11-18-2022, 01:20 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]So they won't take DFS and Maxi for instance?
Do you think that makes Atlanta better?
(11-18-2022, 02:00 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think that makes Atlanta better?
I don't know. All I know is that the JC + Trae fit is clearly bad. So I think ATL needs to shake things up by trading JC and have said that for 3 years.
Right now it feels like the whole Mavs roster is junk minus a couple players.