(02-07-2023, 10:54 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think Boston says no to that. But I just wanted to post a Grant Williams rumor. How about Bullock and pick for Williams and Gallo (to match the salary)?
Boston Celtics trade intel two days from the deadline - CelticsBlog
I don't think Williams is worth the 27 or the 20 million he is going to ask for.
Interesting that we inquired on White. He would have made a ton of sense here. Too bad we did not have any assets last TDL.
(02-07-2023, 10:54 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think Boston says no to that. But I just wanted to post a Grant Williams rumor. How about Bullock and pick for Williams and Gallo (to match the salary)?
I think I would do that too. Grant is a BIG body that can do some damage with Maxi too.
In defense of my trade. I was thinking Wood would be a good replacement for the Celtics in this event of trading Grant. Williams/Horford/Wood is a pretty great big rotation. Bullock isn't a slouch and if he regains his defensive form, he would be a fine replacement for White who would back up Tatum. They have Brogdon or White/Brown/Smart to cover the 1 and 2 spots, so we could either do White or Brogdon, their choice. I think they would prefer White going.
(02-07-2023, 10:49 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Wood and Hardaway for PJ Washington and Hayward? Just not sure Charlotte would want Hardaway. If they had an interest in Wood it would give them a 4 month trial.
I have thought of this exact trade. That Hayward contract is terrible. Definitely worse than Timmy's. That would end up being really expensive for Cuban next year so it probably doesn't happen.
(02-07-2023, 11:14 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I have thought of this exact trade. That Hayward contract is terrible. Definitely worse than Timmy's. That would end up being really expensive for Cuban next year so it probably doesn't happen.
People keep acting like Hayward is gonna stay next year. He is literally the perfect expiring contract to use our picks to get our other guy or 2.
If we could get away with that trade not using any picks I’d be ecstatic.
I'm just guessing here, but looks like the Mavs have an offer for an extension available to Wood and they have until the TDL to negotiate it or maybe right before or something. If they can't work out a deal they're gonna trade him so they get something, but they probably don't want to risk going into the offseason and getting Brunson'd. If that's the case then it's up to Wood on whether he wants to play here with Luka + Kyrie or wait until the offseason to get some random team to overpay for him.
S&T might be an option depending on what the Mavs cap is looking like after the tdl but also can't S&T both Wood & Kyrie so maybe they don't want that at all.
(02-07-2023, 11:03 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not the approach I would take either, creating cap space. But, that idea is coming from somewhere, and it’s probably from the team. The idea might not be to create cap space, but to get out of the luxury tax next year. “Cap space” might just be how they’re selling it. Cuban just took a huge financial hit on this trade. I think it’s like almost $30 million more he’ll have to spend.
I totally agree that if Irving doesn’t work out here long-term, the trade was a total disaster. I believe I’m on record for a full 24 hour period, nonstop, saying that I believe this to be the likely outcome. Disaster.
I disagree with your opinion that it would not make the team better, because Kevin love is probably a more win-now player than Wood, and much better than Bertans. I actually think Rubio off the bench would raise this team’s ceiling significantly.
It’s definitely not a sexy trade, but again, I am just working under the assumption that Cuban wants to save money next year and that for whatever reason, the Mavericks do not appreciate Wood the way that I do.
Did you just say a guy averaging 8 points per game on 55% TS who plays even worse defense than Wood is more win now than Wood? What? Because he won a title 8 years ago with Lebron?
Not only does this destabilize the offense (we literally will have no reliable offensive creation outside Luka and Kyrie), it further demolishes not only the very thin front court but also our already horrendous rebounding (since Love cannot play starter minutes anymore and stay healthy). Rubio's defense and playmaking have always been completely outweighed by his horrendous offense and he's past his prime now. Two guys averaging something like a combined 36% from the field and not even on high volume. Lol. Luka and Kyrie will have to increase their scoring averages to like 40 each.
(02-07-2023, 11:33 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]People keep acting like Hayward is gonna stay next year. He is literally the perfect expiring contract to use our picks to get our other guy or 2.
If we could get away with that trade not using any picks I’d be ecstatic.
Assuming this is the only trade we make, we will also have expiring Bertans and Bullock available for trades, and (if we S&T Kyrie) potentially Tobias as well. Thats a lot of salary fodder.
(02-07-2023, 11:40 AM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just guessing here, but looks like the Mavs have an offer for an extension available to Wood and they have until the TDL to negotiate it or maybe right before or something. If they can't work out a deal they're gonna trade him so they get something, but they probably don't want to risk going into the offseason and getting Brunson'd. If that's the case then it's up to Wood on whether he wants to play here with Luka + Kyrie or wait until the offseason to get some random team to overpay for him.
The offer is 2 years and reports have it that it remains to be 2.
So it becomes Wood's fault now that he isn't willing to agree with the FO's terms.
Wood's going to be traded.
Most likely a dumb decision, but hey.. it's the Mavs.
(02-07-2023, 11:42 AM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]Did you just say a guy averaging 8 points per game on 55% TS who plays even worse defense than Wood is more win now than Wood? What? Because he won a title 8 years ago with Lebron?
Not only does this destabilize the offense (we literally will have no reliable offensive creation outside Luka and Kyrie), it further demolishes not only the very thin front court but also our already horrendous rebounding (since Love cannot play starter minutes anymore and stay healthy). Rubio's defense and playmaking have always been completely outweighed by his horrendous offense and he's past his prime now. Two guys averaging something like a combined 36% from the field and not even on high volume. Lol. Luka and Kyrie will have to increase their scoring averages to like 40 each.
In terms of “absence of error”, yes, I believe Love has a better two months of stretch run, and one more playoffs in him that probably benefits the team more than Christian Wood. This year.
I have been one of Wood’s best defenders this year, so you know, I agree with your general starting assumptions. It is clearly time to face the fact that the Mavericks don’t see him the way you and I do. Dan was right about how they think, at least.
Where I think you and I might be having a disconnect is that the things that Wood has started to demonstrate an ability to help with on offense are quite frankly no longer needed, and might even get in the way a little. If they are not huddled around a chalkboard right now, redesigning their “trap breaking“ offense so that Irving, not Wood, gets the ball, I don’t know what the point of the trade was. The role of the screener on offense is now exclusively in the paint or above the three point line. This should be obvious, because the entire mid-range has to be free and clear for Irving and Dončić.
Wood would still have value as a bench player to play with either one of those two ball-handlers while the other one sits, but that gets us into Dan’s thinking of how much to PAY the guy in that role, and…here we are.
I honestly think he is gone at the deadline, and after the Irving trade, I can honestly almost agree with it.
And again, I believe Cuban values a plausible path out of the luxury tax next year, even if it’s not a given he’ll opt for it.
(02-07-2023, 10:50 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Grant Williams and Derrick White for Bullock, Wood and the 27?
Does that do anything for anyone?
I can see the Boston angle of moving Brown for KD. Brown can’t be extended and is a flight risk in 17 months. Maybe you expand your deal to where Dallas gets those two and Gallo. Dallas sends out Wood (to replace Grant), Reggie (to Brooklyn) and some amount of draft compensation (picks and/or swaps). The picks go to Brooklyn as the equity difference between Durant and Brown and it is like Boston is trading Brown/Grant/White/Reggie for KD while the Nets are getting Brown/Reggie and some number of picks.
The question for Dallas is how much draft compensation is the Wood/Reggie for White/Grant upgrade worth?
Out of our ten-man rotation, it seems like the keeper slots filled (at least until we lose Kyrie, cry) are
Kyrie-?
Luka-Hardy
Green-(Morris)
?-Maxi
?-Powell
Trade fodder, in order of seeming priority: Wood, THJ (actually higher than Bertans's albatross by virtue of the desperate need to free up minutes/space for Green and Hardy), Bertans, McGee, Bullock (only real potential keeper here).
Unless we're re-packaging Kyrie before the deadline (lol) there is no need whatsoever for a starter-level non-big. We need a bench point guard, a wing upgrade on Morris would be nice, and we need to finish our starting lineup.
The bench point guard could be something like a Dragic or Wall buyout.
My priorities for bigs or bigger wings:
Poeltl
Zubac
Vandy
Washington
Collins
Roco
Batum
I suspect that the Mavs' big-game target right now is Bogdan. I'm quite nervous about that undervaluing Green and Hardy. They are the future, and they are somewhat the present.
We'll see what Nico can come up with.
Watch Pop trade for Wood and coach him into the player he thinks he is.
(02-07-2023, 08:16 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Former Irving teammate Kevin Love?
Love is basically just Bertans though, but a better rebounder.
I wonder if this is a 3 team angle, where we send THJ+McGee to one team. Wood to another. Mavs get back a wing+Love.
What about a 3 team trade between CLE and POR.
Mavs send THJ to CLE and Wood to POR.
They get back Hart and Love.
(02-07-2023, 12:12 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]In terms of “absence of error”, yes, I believe Love has a better two months of stretch run, and one more playoffs in him that probably benefits the team more than Christian Wood. This year.
I have been one of Wood’s best defenders this year, so you know, I agree with your general starting assumptions. It is clearly time to face the fact that the Mavericks don’t see him the way you and I do. Dan was right about how they think, at least.
Where I think you and I might be having a disconnect is that the things that Wood has started to demonstrate an ability to help with on offense are quite frankly no longer needed, and might even get in the way a little. If they are not huddled around a chalkboard right now, redesigning their “trap breaking“ offense so that Irving, not Wood, gets the ball, I don’t know what the point of the trade was. The role of the screener on offense is now exclusively in the paint or above the three point line. This should be obvious, because the entire mid-range has to be free and clear for Irving and Dončić.
Wood would still have value as a bench player to play with either one of those two ball-handlers while the other one sits, but that gets us into Dan’s thinking of how much to PAY the guy in that role, and…here we are.
I honestly think he is gone at the deadline, and after the Irving trade, I can honestly almost agree with it.
And again, I believe Cuban values a plausible path out of the luxury tax next year, even if it’s not a given he’ll opt for it.
I just responded to a similar post on another thread, but even if the Mavs look at Wood as a quality bench big, if we can't get anything of significance for him in a trade, and Cuban is looking to avoid tax, wouldn't it make sense just to keep Wood in that capacity for win now this year and let him walk if necessary next? I feel like Kyrie changes the Wood situation from the standpoint that we don't have to make a decision on him right now.
(02-07-2023, 01:45 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I just responded to a similar post on another thread, but even if the Mavs look at Wood as a quality bench big, if we can't get anything of significance for him in a trade, and Cuban is looking to avoid tax, wouldn't it make sense just to keep Wood in that capacity for win now this year and let him walk if necessary next? I feel like Kyrie changes the Wood situation from the standpoint that we don't have to make a decision on him right now.
There are several ways of looking at it, to be sure.
Only the Mavs KNOW what the reality of dealing with him professionally on a day-to-day basis is, what their stomach for that is, and how the financials fit into their short/long term planning.
I'm not advocating for MY plan here, just trying to see it through their eyes, the best I can, and I could be wrong. We'll find out soon.
On the one hand, Wood offensively as a 3rd option sounds like a dream.
On the other hand, Wood's consistency possession to possession, and general attitude isn't the best. I mean we saw it last night. He was looking to get his time after time.
Kidd even pulled Wood when it came to winning time.
I don't think they should trade Wood just to trade him, as if he's on the roster past the deadline it isn't the worst thing. But I'm still not convinced Wood has earned a massive payday.
If we need a cheap center, Dedmon will be available soon
(02-07-2023, 11:46 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming this is the only trade we make, we will also have expiring Bertans and Bullock available for trades, and (if we S&T Kyrie) potentially Tobias as well. Thats a lot of salary fodder.
Yep. The more expirings you have at various price points, the easier the match. If the goal is Siakam, Harris and Hardy works (IF Harris is the deal). If it’s for Siakam and SnT FVV there are ways to make that work. All of it depends on the target.
As far as the Harris trade, it hasn’t happened yet and I would much prefer a trade exception in the amount what Kyrie’s contract goes over the players we get from the Lakers, cause they can easily get about $25Mish by letting RW expire. That amount could be enough to SnT for FVV, then trade for Siakam in a separate deal using Hayward.
Everyone needs to be prepared for Cuban to give Kyrie his 4 year max this summer. He's no rental even if that's what some prefer. Cuban is behind this move and he won't let Kyrie go. They are about to go all in and let it ride.