6 days from the TDL and it’s trending towards not doing anything. Hardaway has pooped the bed and tanked any value he had. It seems like the rumors are messing with him and the team. I think the push for this year’s team could come post-TDL just by keeping it together. Wait till the summer and do our business
(02-02-2023, 08:01 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Dan, I do disagree with you on Wood's market value. I think he's a starter in terms of the numbers he can put up, and I believe from what I have seen in games that his defensive shortcomings are overstated, particularly with respect to how he has played here. He's slightly below average, not Arvydas Sabonis. I think his market value this summer would be in the $20-$25 mil per year range. I don't think his camp signs any of the in-season extensions - even at 4 years - because they agree with me that his Mavs campaign has resulted in a much higher price tag. If I'm wrong and he signs an extension at any point, that would be a killing for the Mavs, but the Twitter tea leaves suggest they know that isn't happening, whether from their end (which would be abjectly pathetic, tbh) or his.
With the numbers I put out, I'm not ignorantly suggesting they can extend him for that (I know and knew they can't), but rather that they keep him into the summer and make him a reasonable offer. What I'm sniffing is 1) they feel like they can't chance another Brunson, and/or 2) they don't want him at market value. I think the latter is pretty stupid (chirping at the FO, not you), because this team can't afford a drop in talent quotient - which trading Wood now would definitely result in, if a bit less than losing him for nothing.
Edit: I'll go one further. Given the destruction which a Wood trade or loss would cause to the talent quotient, I think that automatically triggers a Luka trade request, whether immediately or down the line. This roster minus Wood is dog doo.
I appreciate your considered response and that you’ve taken a stand. If this gets past the TDL unresolved (either extended or traded), the price tag probably goes up. Charlotte or some other cap space team will be leveraged to get more money. I’m not interested in $100mm Wood. I think that will be a bad contract. But, we may not have a choice given our recent history. That’s what happens when you are in a Bird Rights Trap.
If he’s closer to the $20mm number, he should go ahead and extend (if that is on the table). The $19mm AAV that is available now is close enough. The reason to hold out is the hope for $25mm per. If I’m the agent, I take the $77mm sure thing over $80mm. If I think $104mm is achievable, it gives me pause, but I probably grab the sure thing there also. Bird in hand.
It is a shame that my entire post was reduced to part of one line…MLE or a hair over. Again, I hold the possibility of Wood as a starter. For him to start on a contender, a whole lot would need to change around him…not just swapping out Green for THJ. It is hard to picture a good team doing this. Given the difficulty Houston had moving him and the lack of buzz around teams wanting to trade for him, it is certainly possible he’s not viewed as a starter around the league. It is much easier to envision him as a super-sub on a good team and the pay for that is not $20mm-$25mm. But, if Charlotte or someone like them is hanging out there with cap room, then hanging on past the TDL is problematic. Wood’s per minute production isn’t up that much from his time in Houston and Powell has MUCH better on/off numbers on the same team. So, for all of his scoring acumen, Wood’s contribution to winning is less than Powell’s. Not a good look.
(02-03-2023, 09:24 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]6 days from the TDL and it’s trending towards not doing anything. Hardaway has pooped the bed and tanked any value he had. It seems like the rumors are messing with him and the team. I think the push for this year’s team could come post-TDL just by keeping it together. Wait till the summer and do our business
I expect a small trade...I think. Dallas definitely needs a third creator. It would be an added plus if he shots 85% from free throws for end of game as well. They just can't rely on Luka and Din. Ideally you would find one better than Din, but at the moment they just need another one.
They also need a power forward type. Dallas appears to play really well when they go small, but they are missing that 4 type who has size and can also defend on the perimeter. These players are difficult to find. Hayward fits a lot of this but his $ and injury history makes him really tough to gamble on.
(02-03-2023, 09:17 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Whether you agree or disagree, interesting to read Bill Simmons trade value rankings. Luka is # 2. No other Mavs.
Brunson is #54 and KP is honorable mention.
https://nbarankings.theringer.com/trade-value
A window into this orgs asset management. There are nearly 90 names on that list if you include the mentions and no hint of a Mav after Luka. We let a top 55 guy go for nothing and sent out an honorable mention guy for a guy who is not mentioned and another that would be on a worst contracts list. I realize this team got better after the KP trade, and its important to improve fit when making trades, but its also important to at least be in the ballpark on asset value and I will continue to argue that they got fleeced on that deal from an asset perspective.
(02-03-2023, 10:32 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I will continue to argue that they got fleeced on that deal from an asset perspective.
Insane to me we were the team that included the 2nd rounder.
when all we had to do was go five-out with KP as the lone big with Bullock and Brunson starting and that would have fixed most of our early season problems.
(02-03-2023, 09:37 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I expect a small trade...I think. Dallas definitely needs a third creator. It would be an added plus if he shots 85% from free throws for end of game as well. They just can't rely on Luka and Din. Ideally you would find one better than Din, but at the moment they just need another one.
They also need a power forward type. Dallas appears to play really well when they go small, but they are missing that 4 type who has size and can also defend on the perimeter. These players are difficult to find. Hayward fits a lot of this but his $ and injury history makes him really tough to gamble on.
Here is a list of names that have been mentioned as possible trade candidates this TDL. They all have 4 or more AST to qualify for another creator.
Tyler Herro - 91% FT, 4.4 AST and makes 5.7 Mil this year and has an extension starting at 27 Mil next season. Then 29, 31 and 33.
Fred VanVleet - 90%, 6.6 ast, 21mil w/2023PO. Looking for 30 mil a year on next contract.
DeMar DeRozon - 86%, 5.0, 27mil and 28mil next year.
Kyle Lowry - 86%, 5.3, 28mil and 29mil next year.
D'Angelo Russell - 85% 31mil and UFA this summer.
So, another creator shooting 85% or above from the line is not going to be cheap.
Sad new for the Mavs is Jalen Brunson makes this list at 85% with 6.2 ast and has a declining 4-year contract starting at 27mil. Then 26, 24 and a PO for 24.
If you drop the qualifications to 84% FT and 3 AST, you can add talked about Immanuel Quickley. He is still on his rookie contract and is making 2.3, 4.1 and a QO of 6.3 mil.
lol Kyrie requesting a trade again.
@"DanSchwartzgan" may want to rework the Wood trade proposal you had to bring in Kyrie instead of Mills....
(02-03-2023, 01:59 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/shamscharania/status...60161?s=46&t=pUbXVNBqG9VA7fcM8LL0qg
Contract expires and Kyrie is looking for the max amount of money. Maybe the Nets don´t want to pay him. If he forces his way out the receiving team will have bird rights.
(02-03-2023, 02:09 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Contract expires and Kyrie is looking for the max amount of money. Maybe the Nets don´t want to pay him. If he forces his way out the receiving team will have bird rights.
That's exactly what this is about, and the second he gets his next deal he'll go right back to his game of finding excuses not to play or be with his team.
I’m sorry, but Luka/ Kyrie could 100% win the west this season. Go for it. Especially if you can get off some money in the process. Just one man’s opinion.
(02-03-2023, 12:01 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Any number of guys who are capable in isolation but also know how to play within a flow and not dribble the air out of the ball and take 8 seconds to ramp up to whatever move they eventually do.
In other words, you have no idea. Care to name names?
(02-03-2023, 02:14 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m sorry, but Luka/ Kyrie could 100% win the west this season. Go for it. Especially if you can get off some money in the process. Just one man’s opinion.
Have you considered the effect Kyrie's aggressive brand of crazy might have on Luka and the locker room as a whole?
Even if you have considered that, wouldn't you prefer a deal that isn't a two month rental?
(02-03-2023, 02:18 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Have you considered the effect Kyrie's aggressive brand of crazy might have on Luka and the locker room as a whole?
Even if you have considered that, wouldn't you prefer a deal that isn't a two month rental?
I personally enjoy watching Kyrie play basketball and think he'd fit great here but overall agree with you for all the obvious reasons.
One thing I would say though is if Kyrie becomes a two month rental and we don't resign then how much worse off would we be? Lots of the trades we've been looking at are about cutting costs anyway and some of those larger contracts we all bring up would have to be moved in a deal like this just to make it work logistically so in a way we could kind of be in the same boat if you squint really hard. The real question is would picks have to be involved, if so I'm out, if not...he's probably the most talented player we can acquire at the moment and that shouldn't be discounted.
(02-03-2023, 12:45 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]Here is a list of names that have been mentioned as possible trade candidates this TDL. They all have 4 or more AST to qualify for another creator.
Tyler Herro - 91% FT, 4.4 AST and makes 5.7 Mil this year and has an extension starting at 27 Mil next season. Then 29, 31 and 33.
Fred VanVleet - 90%, 6.6 ast, 21mil w/2023PO. Looking for 30 mil a year on next contract.
DeMar DeRozon - 86%, 5.0, 27mil and 28mil next year.
Kyle Lowry - 86%, 5.3, 28mil and 29mil next year.
D'Angelo Russell - 85% 31mil and UFA this summer.
So, another creator shooting 85% or above from the line is not going to be cheap.
Sad new for the Mavs is Jalen Brunson makes this list at 85% with 6.2 ast and has a declining 4-year contract starting at 27mil. Then 26, 24 and a PO for 24.
If you drop the qualifications to 84% FT and 3 AST, you can add talked about Immanuel Quickley. He is still on his rookie contract and is making 2.3, 4.1 and a QO of 6.3 mil.
IMO, Quickley is the best option. I'd be up for Herro, but Miami will certainly want lots in return.
(02-03-2023, 02:09 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Contract expires and Kyrie is looking for the max amount of money. Maybe the Nets don´t want to pay him. If he forces his way out the receiving team will have bird rights.
Honestly, stick it to the Lakers, give them Bird Rights on him so they are stuck with him, no one else will trade for him on a max contract going forward!
I just said that and then another thought occurred to me. Get him and then the Lakers have to utilize a SnT with us. After this draft their picks open up just like ours. Stick it to them even harder!
Edit: That is IF we can get him for like SD and THJ and no picks.
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