(06-21-2022, 11:21 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]As an aside, I think I see more promise in the 3-way with ORL that leaves out PJW. For the Mavs, it's GH for THJ/DB.
And rather than PJW, I prefer to pursue OPJ with the MLE. I like him a lot for that contract, I think he will be available, and since PJW will be looking for a big raise in only a year, I think OPJ on a 3-yr deal is a smarter add, and he has championship experience now.
I would lean strongly the other way. OPJ has had a terrible injury history and there are legit questions about what he has in the tank. His best case is probably a 20 minute bench 3&D wing. PJW is already giving you that production and he is not even 24 yet. He has a lot of potential for growth and he is a perfect fit as a 4 on this team. He will definitely be getting a raise, but that is because he is worth it. He will also be restricted so we would likely get him at some level of discount. It would obviously depend on what assets it takes to get him, but I'm not that worried about him costing more in the future. The only real impact of that is tax. We are trying to move into contention. Its time for Cuban to start paying up.
(06-22-2022, 11:14 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I would lean strongly the other way. OPJ has had a terrible injury history and there are legit questions about what he has in the tank. His best case is probably a 20 minute bench 3&D wing. PJW is already giving you that production and he is not even 24 yet. He has a lot of potential for growth and he is a perfect fit as a 4 on this team. He will definitely be getting a raise, but that is because he is worth it.
I favor OPJ over PJW for the very reasons you do not.
PJW -- Because he is considered to be a player with a future, PJW will be harder/unlikely to acquire. He will be expecting to be a starter, he will be expecting 30 mpg, he has less experience. In a year, he will get a big raise, and may be more than fits with Mavs' payroll. He's neither the 3-and-D nor the BIG that fits the Mavs team around Luka.
OPJ - Because he is considered to be a player on the back side of his career, PJW will be easier to acquire. He will NOT be expecting to be a starter, he will NOT be expecting 30 mpg, he has MORE experience (including deep in the playoffs). He can presumably be locked in for 3 years at a good price, which fits with Mavs' payroll. He's a 3-and-D wing, playable at either big wing or smaller wing, that fits the Mavs team around Luka, and what the Mavs are looking for in a rotation with DFS and Bullock. Better rebounder than PJW.
(06-22-2022, 12:42 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/statu...0442474496
Should Brogdon really have a high asking price. Very good player but he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. I guess he only has 1 year left on his contract, but I have difficulty believing he would get you a lottery first from the wizards or knicks. He might be a one year rental in Washington.
(06-22-2022, 12:43 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...6780824577
Got to love Tucker. For years he had to fight for his place in the league. Now at almost 38, could he get the biggest contract he has had? Probably not as he signed on for 4 years and 31 million with Houston in 2017. But he may get his highest yearly salary with this last contract.
It seems like a lot of the good teams are circling around the same type of guys at either MLE or tax payer MLE. It will be a good test on how our new front office can position ourselves with our top choice for a FA this summer.
(06-22-2022, 12:10 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I favor OPJ over PJW for the very reasons you do not.
PJW -- Because he is considered to be a player with a future, PJW will be harder/unlikely to acquire. He will be expecting to be a starter, he will be expecting 30 mpg, he has less experience. In a year, he will get a big raise, and may be more than fits with Mavs' payroll. He's neither the 3-and-D nor the BIG that fits the Mavs team around Luka.
OPJ - Because he is considered to be a player on the back side of his career, PJW will be easier to acquire. He will NOT be expecting to be a starter, he will NOT be expecting 30 mpg, he has MORE experience (including deep in the playoffs). He can presumably be locked in for 3 years at a good price, which fits with Mavs' payroll. He's a 3-and-D wing, playable at either big wing or smaller wing, that fits the Mavs team around Luka, and what the Mavs are looking for in a rotation with DFS and Bullock. Better rebounder than PJW.
I really don't get the argument on fit with PJW. He seems like the perfect fit. He is a 3&D player that can give room for Wood to operate in the paint on offense, and on defense he can guard the perimeter, but also provides some additional rim protection and bulk for taking on bigs.
I have no issues with him wanting to start as I would start him over Bullock. The starting unit could use a little more size with Wood being undersized for a 5 and Dorian being undersized for a 4. He is also already a better player than Bullock and will potentially be significantly so as he reaches his prime.
Your points are reasonable (although I think the ongoing idea here that he's some sort of a C is incredibly far off base). But, all in all, eye of the beholder stuff, as I still think OPJ would be a better fit to this roster and its needs.
There's also the very real issue of getting PJW. We do know OPJ will be a free agent.
OTOH, the fact that PJW is often discussed here and proposed as a target, doesn't mean Cha will want to trade him to the Mavs. Do the Mavs have a missing piece that Cha really feels they have to have? While I include PJW in some trade ideas, I am more inclined to wager PJW is available ONLY if Cha is chasing a player THEY want (such as Turner, perhaps?) but not at all as part of a salary-dump-centered move.
(06-22-2022, 01:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I think the ongoing idea here that he's some sort of a C is incredibly far off base
I feel like he can play the same role as Maxi did which was very much a center role for us. He may not be the bruiser center that some folks are hoping for around here but he would fit in great as a center in the 5 out style that we played throughout the playoffs.
According to BBall Ref he played half his minutes at center last year.
(06-22-2022, 01:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Your points are reasonable (although I think the ongoing idea here that he's some sort of a C is incredibly far off base). But, all in all, eye of the beholder stuff, as I still think OPJ would be a better fit to this roster and its needs.
There's also the very real issue of getting PJW. We do know OPJ will be a free agent.
OTOH, the fact that PJW is often discussed here and proposed as a target, doesn't mean Cha will want to trade him to the Mavs. Do the Mavs have a missing piece that Cha really feels they have to have? While I include PJW in some trade ideas, I am more inclined to wager PJW is available ONLY if Cha is chasing a player THEY want (such as Turner, perhaps?) but not at all as part of a salary-dump-centered move.
I agree that acquiring him is unlikely for the reasons you say. I don't think of him as a center from the standpoint that I would not be interested in running him out there as the lone big, but the reality is he has more bulk than anybody currently on this roster and he would probably be our second best rim protector. He is the only (somewhat) reasonable target that could actually contribute to both of those limitations to the starting lineup.
As for OPJ, I liked him a ton before the injuries. He has never been the same player since, but the tax MLE seems like a reasonable contract for him. My problem is that adding him creates a huge minutes crunch that would be hard to solve without sending Timmy out, but I don't trust Porter's health enough to send Timmy out because of him.
(06-22-2022, 01:49 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_TradeDeadline/statu...0022150145
If the Nick's trade for Brogdon, it makes it much less likely they are going after Brunson. It would remove the one suiter that I might have a little concern over (due to his dad) and maybe lower his cost a little bit.
(06-22-2022, 01:04 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I guess he only has 1 year left on his contract, but I have difficulty believing he would get you a lottery first from the wizards or knicks. He might be a one year rental in Washington.
He has three years left. He was extended a year ago.
OPJ is a party animal. People always talk about culture, but then they want to bring a pimp into this franchise of all places. He kind of worked in Golden State with three super veterans setting the standards. Who is keeping him in check here? The sales department.
