Jake Fischer was on 105.3 The Fan to talk Brunson. He made it clear the Knicks' intention was to hopefully shed salary and offer Brunson $25M AAV.
But later offered an educated guess based on the info he has that Brunson will be signed (likely the Mavs) at around $22.5M AAV, $90M over 4 years. That would be a steal in my book, especially if the rumored $25M AAV is true.
He also said this time of year there's a lot of chatter and smokescreen, and claims he doesn't know anything too "definitively" right now, a lot of gray area on what can be discussed "legally."
There was also a Christian Wood tidbit that Mavs really didn't want to pay the #26 pick long term salary. Is Cuban penny pinching already? For reference, the #26 pick last year makes $2.69M AAV.
(06-21-2022, 06:27 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1539381536352415744?s=20&t=CRpGK_-nfotLFE3m5KqhvA The Hornets are looking to trade one of their two first-round picks alongside Gordon Hayward to clear cap space for retaining Miles Bridges, per @WindhorstESPN
DAL (uses TPE) gets --- Hayward, pick 13, Plumlee, Washington
CHA gets -- THJ, Powell, Green, 9.2M TPE, 4.2M TPE, massive savings (close to 17M, I think),
Would Cuban balk at the money? Would CHA balk at the price of the savings?
(06-21-2022, 06:49 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]DAL (uses TPE) gets --- Hayward, pick 13, Plumlee, Washington
CHA gets -- THJ, Powell, Green, 9.2M TPE, 4.2M TPE, massive savings (close to 17M, I think),
Would Cuban balk at the money? Would CHA balk at the price of the savings?
Hmmm.. would you mind walking through how you got that? Having some issues making that work on separate deals. Also, are you viewing Powell for Plumlee a value add from the Mavs? Costs the Hornets almost 2M and seems unnecessary unless it is incenting the Hornets from a talent perspective. Both are expiring, and I figure all things as they are, the hornets would choose to save money and Mavs would prefer keeping Powell.
THJ/Green for Hayward works, and then TPE for Washington. Pick 13 for saving them money?
Edit: I just realized that the trade machine is using last year's salaries still, making my trade calc irrelevant, unless they pull the trigger now. Hayward's contract goes up, and THJ's goes down. I am still interested to see how you got the TPE's there. For the next year, Charlotte saves 13.2M plus cost of signing #13. It is a big bite for Cuban, but gets the Mavs potentially an upgrade at 2 positions, the 13 pick, and better fitting pieces all in one shot.
(06-21-2022, 07:13 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmm.. would you mind walking through how you got that? Having some issues making that work on separate deals. Also, are you viewing Powell for Plumlee a value add from the Mavs? Costs the Hornets almost 2M and seems unnecessary unless it is incenting the Hornets from a talent perspective. Both are expiring, and I figure all things as they are, the hornets would choose to save money and Mavs would prefer keeping Powell.
THJ/Green for Hayward works, and then TPE for Washington. Pick 13 for saving them money?
It's all one trade. Do you want to know why I think that might be somehow equitable, or do you want to know how the salary match works? The analysis is two completely different paths, although somewhat intertwined (as they always tend to be).
(06-21-2022, 07:30 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]It's all one trade. Do you want to know why I think that might be somehow equitable, or do you want to know how the salary match works? The analysis is two completely different paths, although somewhat intertwined (as they always tend to be).
Ok, yeah... Maybe I am wrong or missing something. I did not think that multiple TPE's could be generated from a single transaction - or that a TPE could be aggregated into a trade. I could be mistaken.
As far as equitable, I think both sides would get what they want if they agreed to it. CHA wants cap relief, and DAL is getting talent/pick. The question would seem to be is whether CHA is getting enough relief to justify sending the pick, and whether DAL is getting enough talent to eat the cost!
Would the Mavs decline Maxi's last year contract and then resign him using the tax MLE?
IMO these Charlotte ideas are not advisable. We were at least last 5 in every rebounding category. And that's with Luka, the best rebounding PG, SG, or SF.
Hayward has a rebounding rate of 13.8. Washington 18.9
Compare that to Kleber's 23.4. We can't afford a starting PF with such a low rebounding rate. I'm all about moving Finney-Smith (14.3 rebounding rate) to SF and upgrade starting PF. It has to be one of these guys, tho...
John Collins - 24.7
Julius Randle - 27.2
Tobias Harris - 19.7
(06-21-2022, 07:46 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]Would the Mavs decline Maxi's last year contract and then resign him using the tax MLE?
No need. He is extension eligible. If he was free he’d get more than $6.3mm.
(06-21-2022, 06:49 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]DAL (uses TPE) gets --- Hayward, pick 13, Plumlee, Washington
CHA gets -- THJ, Powell, Green, 9.2M TPE, 4.2M TPE, massive savings (close to 17M, I think),
Would Cuban balk at the money? Would CHA balk at the price of the savings?
13 AND Washington? Feels too steep from the price of the savings standpoint. Just one man’s opinion.
Mavsfan12: If you use the Fanspo trade machine you can set the year of the trade to current or 22/23.
(06-21-2022, 07:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]No need. He is extension eligible. If he was free he’d get more than $6.3mm.
I actually think he is a slight value at his option number. He is a defensively versatile big who can guard on the perimeter, block shots, and shoot 3's. I know he went in the tank for a bit last season, but his body of work the last couple of years is pretty strong with an excellent playoff performance on his recent resume. I think he is a MLE player, no?
(06-21-2022, 07:44 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, yeah... Maybe I am wrong or missing something. I did not think that multiple TPE's could be generated from a single transaction - or that a TPE could be aggregated into a trade. I could be mistaken.
As far as equitable, I think both sides would get what they want if they agreed to it. CHA wants cap relief, and DAL is getting talent/pick. The question would seem to be is whether CHA is getting enough relief to justify sending the pick, and whether DAL is getting enough talent to eat the cost!
Okay. Here's the general principle -- while player salaries being traded can be combined, in general each player is a separate "exception" to the trade rules, allowing some return in that trade. And who matches with who is done for each team separately, to their best benefit.
Draft picks and cash are ignored. But the pick will cost DAL (not CHA) over 4M in salary.
DAL existing TPE expires Jun 27, so this must be a June deal.
Deals in June give a team an exception from an outgoing player for the lesser of salary this year or next.
DAL can take both Hayward and PJW (tot about 33) using the THJ-Powell combo (125%). The existing TPE will take Plumlee. Green is leftover with nothing to match, so Mavs get a new TPE for about 2.9M.
CHA can take all 3 of THJ, Powell, Green using Hayward (125%). They get new TPE's for both Plumlee and PJW.
TPEs are confusing. ESPN trade machine usually stumbles over them, But they are not traded. They are used, and sometimes when one is used, then the other team will get their own as salary goes up on one side and down on the other. So it looks like being traded, but no.
(06-21-2022, 07:52 PM)nash_funk Wrote: [ -> ]IMO these Charlotte ideas are not advisable. We were at least last 5 in every rebounding category. And that's with Luka, the best rebounding PG, SG, or SF.
Hayward has a rebounding rate of 13.8. Washington 18.9
Compare that to Kleber's 23.4. We can't afford a starting PF with such a low rebounding rate. I'm all about moving Finney-Smith (14.3 rebounding rate) to SF and upgrade starting PF. It has to be one of these guys, tho...
John Collins - 24.7
Julius Randle - 27.2
Tobias Harris - 19.7
13.4 TRB% for Kleber?
Not as high on individual rebounding rates. More interested in the team rebounding impact. Best example Steven Adams. Same DRB% as Kleber. But you would probably agree that there is a night and day difference when it comes to the team impact. Highlighted by the teams on/off performance with/without Adams.
Find me a couple of guys that are willing to boxout over players that chase individual rebounding numbers.
(06-21-2022, 08:01 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]13 AND Washington? Feels too steep from the price of the savings standpoint. Just one man’s opinion.
Mavsfan12: If you use the Fanspo trade machine you can set the year of the trade to current or 22/23.
Thanks for that site. I wish it calculated future savings as well... but that is a nice feature that it allows to change year in which trade is completed.
As for how that applies to this discussion, if the trade is done before year end, it can be done for THJ/Green for Hayward. If it is done next year, that will not work - it would take more salary from mavs, which would lessen the impact for CHA.
Also, as far as it being too steep, you could say the same thing from both sides of the transaction. Especially considering that Washington is extension eligible and they likely couldn't afford to pay Bridges, and keep him as well. So they may lose him anyway. They get a solid vet on a team friendly deal and a younger player on a rookie scale to replace the one they are losing. And then 13 for the cap savings. They also have 15. Like I said above, it really comes down to how badly each team wants to pay for what they are trying to achieve, and how well other teams can fill those needs. Heck, ORL could pretty much absorb Hayward completely. If they would do it for 13, then the Mavs wouldn't be in the running. But would someone do that, and is having a solid replacement on a good contract better than a straight salary dump?