(02-03-2023, 09:33 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Kyrie, Royce O’neal (I know not ideal but we’ll need a wing defender) for Spence, DFS, Bertans. Perfect money match. Maybe throw in a protected pick.
That pick sure as hell better be going to the Mavs.
(02-03-2023, 09:34 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]That pick sure as hell better be going to the Mavs.
You either want him or you don’t…. And I certainly get it either way. But if you want him, you have to be realistic about what it will take. They aren’t taking Bertans and giving us a pick.
1) SD / THJ / Bertans / Bullock for Kyrie/Simmons (no picks)
2) SD / THJ / Hardy for Kyrie (no picks)
3) SD / DFS / Bertans for Kyrie/Curry (no picks)
That would be deals i prolly do. The last one is a bit tough. You kinda need another deal to find more defense. Maybe have to shop defense with a 1st. If you could get Vanderbilt for McGee and a 1st.
Luka / Kyrie / Green / Vanderbilt / Wood
bench: Curry / Hardy / Bullock / Frank / Kleber / Powell
- you save Kleber from the min and starting
Getting another hustle/defense guy to pair with Kyrie/Luka who can help replace DFS is key if you would do 3) i think.
People are in such denial, imo. Brooklyn might call his bluff (if there are no decent offers, which is possible) but IF Irving gets traded, there WILL be significant assets going TO Brooklyn, not FROM them.
(02-03-2023, 09:36 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]You either want him or you don’t…. And I certainly get it either way. But if you want him, you have to be realistic about what it will take. They aren’t taking Bertans and giving us a pick.
I don't want him.
And the Mavs shouldn't "want him" in a vacuum. They should only want him if they are being essentially paid to take on his risk.
Saric with 11/11/3 in 24 minutes. Only Suns starter with a positive +/- against Boston.
Bamba 11/4/2 +5 in 19 starter minutes against Gobert.
Why always overcomplicate stuff. These guys can be had for minor assets and only get better going forward. The rotational upgrade from Bertans/McGee to Bamba/Saric is huge.
(02-03-2023, 09:25 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I hope the Mavs are smart enough to demand games played and playoff incentives to that 2 year contract!!!
A team that trades for Kyrie is by definition not smart
(02-03-2023, 09:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]IF Irving gets traded, there WILL be significant assets going TO Brooklyn, not FROM them.
He is a KNOWN risk of massive proportions. If what you say above happens, then some NBA GM is blind and idiotic.
(02-03-2023, 09:29 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The team that trades for him is going to give him a 4 year max. That's what he wants, that's the point of the trade request, and someone is going to offer it..
Up front? No they won't!
They will either trade for him
1 as a 2-month rental, after which they have to compete for him in free agency (and possibly lose him) and have to pay him as much as 50M/year average, or
2 as a 2 year, 2 month commitment, with the guarantee they don't have to worry about him walking in the summer, and with an average 39M/year
Those are the ONLY choices. There is no choice where a team can trade for Kyrie with a longer commitment.
To me you can't justify sending hardly anything to BKN to just get 2 months worth of his services, and then possibly have nothing left after that.
(02-03-2023, 09:40 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Those are the ONLY choices. There is no choice where a team can trade for Kyrie with a longer commitment.
Why not? What I'm describing is EXACTLY what Dallas did with Porzingis, who
hadn't even played a game for them yet. They told him they were going to max him when they could and then they did it.
This is synced to start right on McMahon's analysis of what the Dallas offer would be, and I think he nails it.
https://youtu.be/WPYssCTCRI4?t=645
(02-03-2023, 09:40 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]To me you can't justify sending hardly anything to BKN to just get 2 months worth of his services, and then possibly have nothing left after that.
The closest angle I can see to that is for Dallas to trade Dinwiddie + Bertans for Kyrie. If he stays, great. And if he bails, Dallas still cleared out a huge chunk of cap space. Just think of it as the fastest way out of the KP contract.
(02-03-2023, 09:43 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]So was Porzingis.
Not even in the same realm as Kyrie. I would say KP was a risk level 4 on a scale of 1-10. Kyrie is a risk level 9.
(02-03-2023, 09:38 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I don't want him.
And the Mavs shouldn't "want him" in a vacuum. They should only want him if they are being essentially paid to take on his risk.
It’s hilarious how polorized the fanbase is on Kyrie. Understandable. I would be estatic to get him. In a vacuum he’d probably be a top 5 most talented player in Mavericks history… paired with Luka Doncic. Your being presented with the opportunity to raise the ceiling of this franchise significantly. They would still have future picks to team build around two of the best offensive players in the league.
(02-03-2023, 09:44 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]The closest angle I can see to that is for Dallas to trade Dinwiddie + Bertans for Kyrie. If he stays, great. And if he bails, Dallas still cleared out a huge chunk of cap space. Just think of it as the fastest way out of the KP contract.
Very much here in my own thinking. The Mavs have to be prepared to let Kyrie walk. So you only make the trade if you are willing to have that happen. That is why assets must NOT be going to BKN if you are DAL.
(02-03-2023, 09:42 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Why not? What I'm describing is EXACTLY what Dallas did with Porzingis, who hadn't even played a game for them yet. They told him they were going to max him when they could and then they did it.
Porzingis was a RFA, so there was no risk of him walking. Just that he could be upset, if Cuban let him do an Ayton. Porzingis would have found out that nobody was going to break the bank for him, at which point Mavs could have comfortably negotiated the five years slightly below the full max with a team option and incentives.
(02-03-2023, 09:42 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is synced to start right on McMahon's analysis of what the Dallas offer would be, and I think he nails it.
If the Mavs give up DFS + JG for Kyrie they are bigger idiots than I thought.
(02-03-2023, 09:47 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Porzingis was a RFA, so there was no risk of him walking. Just that he could be upset, if Cuban let him do an Ayton. Porzingis would have found out that nobody was going to break the bank for him, at which point Mavs could have comfortably negotiated the five years slightly below the full max with a team option and incentives.
I get the RFA/UFA difference, but I don't see much difference in these, specific cases.
I think Kyrie wants a 4 year max, and Brooklyn won't give it to him. I doubt many teams would be eager to do so.
I think Brooklyn will set a price for trade that improves their team this season and makes it worth their while to move him, OR they'll call his bluff.
I think that, like the Porzingis situation, the team that talks themselves into paying that cost to acquire him will have pre-convinced themselves he's worth a 3-4 year contract, knowing that's what he'll want, and will communicate this to his team/agent/whatever right away in an effort to get him started here on the right foot, with the right mindset. Just like how Dallas handled Porzingis.
As @"Okstate819" put it, you either want him or you don't. This "we'll get him for nothing, and oh yeah, take our bad contracts, and oh yeah, give us Claxton or a pick" is wishful thinking like I've never ever seen. Not even worth discussing.
(02-03-2023, 09:53 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]If the Mavs give up DFS + JG for Kyrie they are bigger idiots than I thought.
No idea if they'll do it, but I bet it takes Dinwidde/DFS/Green and a 1st to get it done.
And then we'd have whatever stupid contract Cuban gives him this summer to look forward to.
We aren't getting picks back if this trade happens. That's not being realistic.
(02-03-2023, 09:55 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I bet it takes Dinwidde/DFS/Green and a 1st to get it done.
I bet BKN gets nothing even close to this. Kyrie is damaged goods. Your opinion of him is not an outlier. BKN has no negotiating ground to stand on or leverage to pull on.
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