(06-27-2022, 08:34 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Too confident. How sure are you that Green and Ntilikina won’t take major steps forward this offseason? How sure are you that 6-6 Dinwiddie can’t/won’t play wing should the Mavs pick up Dragic with the TPMLE? Or that Bertans can’t play double-digit minutes in next year’s playoffs?
Even as it is right now, we’ve got about 48 rotation minutes at the spot you’re prioritizing to split among Bullock, Hardaway, Green, Ntilikina, and Hardy.
I am only working from what the Mavs themselves have been indicating.
I understand the idea that they have lots of players who can play regular season minutes and alleviate the need. But that's less relevant in the playoffs, where the rotation gets tightened and only the effective will play. They have 96 wing minutes to fill, and their sense is that they don't want DFS-Bullock to be the only 2 they have that can do that at the level they prefer (as was the case in 2022 playoffs).
1 "How sure are you that Green and Ntilikina won’t take major steps forward this offseason?".... They could. But the indication from Mavs is they don't want to depend on that as their solution. They are LOOKING.
2 "How sure are you that 6-6 Dinwiddie can’t/won’t play wing ..." .....Very sure on this one. They need 3 creators, and if JB leaves (the premise I'm addressing) they only have 2. Nor would SD be the 2-way guy they feel they need to supplement DFS/Bullock, especially the idea that these are the defense-providing part of the team. The fact that he is 6-6 is fairly irrelevant -- they prefer size at creator, too (see Doncic, L.)
3 "Or that Bertans can’t play double-digit minutes in next year’s playoffs?" .... It's possible. But the indication from Mavs is they don't want to depend on that as their solution. Again, they are LOOKING.
They are LOOKING. If Burks is added, that fills the hole. BUT, it doesn't prevent the hope that THJ, Green, Hardaway or Bertans become a useful solution, since contracts expire and trade assets are needed too.
(06-27-2022, 09:08 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I am only working from what the Mavs themselves have been indicating.
I hear you on this. I’ve suspected all along it means they already know they’re moving somebody (Timmy?) and need to replace him. But that is rank speculation on my part.
Can’t make myself join you on the notion that Jalen is jilting us. Not for these Knicks. He’ll be miserable there.
(06-27-2022, 09:21 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Can’t make myself join you on the notion that Jalen is jilting us. Not for these Knicks. He’ll be miserable there.
Didn't say he is. I don't know. I hope he stays. I know he might go.
I am only replying to the "what if" and the conversation about what sort of return in a SNT would be most desirable, IF he opts to leave. In that case, I would certainly want them to fill a hole, and Burks (if healthy) would qualify imo. Based on what they have been whispering.
As for whether he will actually leave or not, I'm not worried about that either way --- he will do what he decides he wants, and THEN there will be more things to be done.
Would we do Brunson (s&t) + Bertans for Randle and Reddish? Works cap wise if Brunson is around 23.5 yr 1cap.
I know nobody is jacked to get Randle but would be a pure talent play and you keep the salary slot. Getting off Bertans would be nice incentive.
Not sure i love it but i actually think NY would be very amicable to moving Randle after how last season went.
(06-27-2022, 08:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/statu...4574372865
Who knows if Wall can still play, but man that Clippers roster is insane. For a team who has never won anything, they have been stringing good move after good move. Will this be the year they finally see the results?
Depending on Wall's salary, could that cloud their ability to pay Hartenstein? Although it doesn't appear another center is going to be the focus for Dallas regardless.
(06-27-2022, 09:45 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I find this concerning. Not sure how much sense this makes with Brunson on the team. If true it suggest the Mavs are at least concerned about holding on to Brunson.
Yep Mavs are making contigency plans IMO.
I felt like Nico after the draft had body language that was not confident when talking about JB. It felt like he was truly in the dark and was simply hoping JB would stay.
(06-27-2022, 09:45 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I find this concerning. Not sure how much sense this makes with Brunson on the team. If true it suggest the Mavs are at least concerned about holding on to Brunson.
It’s good to have backup plans, but the report is that GS is the favorite. I can’t remember a time where the Mavs were linked to someone good prior to FA and actually signed them.
(06-27-2022, 09:45 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I find this concerning. Not sure how much sense this makes with Brunson on the team. If true it suggest the Mavs are at least concerned about holding on to Brunson.
I could see Payton being signed even if we keep Brunson. It would create a logjam at the guard spot at first, but the addition of Payton and Hardy could also potentially allow us to see what we can get in a trade for Hardaway, Green, and Frank.
I want Payton regardless because right now we have a lot of guards that can't defend and Payton could bring some balance there. He would be so perfect for Kidd's aggressive, switch heavy defense and could play next to any of our playmaking guards.
GS are probably the favorites to re-sign him but they are also paying a ridiculous amount of tax, something has to give at some point and they'll have to make some decisions. I can't see them keeping both Payton and Porter Jr.
(06-27-2022, 09:45 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I find this concerning. Not sure how much sense this makes with Brunson on the team. If true it suggest the Mavs are at least concerned about holding on to Brunson.
Agree, if he’s a target it is either “because” they think Brunson is gone or he becomes a target “if” Brunson leaves.
Payton as a FA target would also make me feel like a NY small (Burks or McBride) would not be the return in a S&T. That makes me lean more toward Noel, Reddish or both.
(06-27-2022, 10:12 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, if he’s a target it is either “because” they think Brunson is gone or he becomes a target “if” Brunson leaves.
Payton as a FA target would also make me feel like a NY small (Burks or McBride) would not be the return in a S&T. That makes me lean more toward Noel, Reddish or both.
100% how I read the tea leaves as well.
(06-27-2022, 10:12 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Payton as a FA target would also make me feel like a NY small (Burks or McBride) would not be the return in a S&T.
Burks is not a "small" for the Mavs (whatever that term may mean). He would be a wing, and he's about the same size and ilk as DFS and Bullock, their 2-way playoff-playable wings.
In our conversations, we might tend to make size distinctions between the bigger and smaller of those, but the Mavs use of wings just seem to be less about size and more about the ability to guard up and down the lineup, more or less. Especially the ability to guard the perimeter.
Where would GP fit? Not sure. At 6-3, he is certainly "small" in comparison to their other wings. But he can defend the perimeter, at least against the smaller quicker types. Don't know whether that means he would be replacing JB, a creator who is 6-1, if JB leaves and he is brought in. Then again, my impression is that the news about GP is overstated, so this feels moot.
GPII will give you 20 absolutely elite minutes a game. That’s all the Mavs would really need. He would be an incredible addition regardless of what happens with Brunson, would be a nice fit with Luka, and is well worth the full taxpayer MLE. I’m pretty psyched about this possibility.
Man, this board is a bunch of chicken littles.
There is absolutely NO indication that Brunsen is going anywhere. You all are just seeing ghosts.
Ridiculous.
(06-27-2022, 11:27 PM)radix Wrote: [ -> ]Man, this board is a bunch of chicken littles.
There is absolutely NO indication that Brunsen is going anywhere. You all are just seeing ghosts.
Ridiculous.
Considering you used your very first post to say this, it's clear you are not here to engage in any kind good faith discussion so debating the substance of your post is pointless. You are clearly only here to antagonize people. A couple questions though: do you really think anyone here cares at all what you have to say? Do you think you're triggering or agitating anyone with this? Do you think you'll actually change anyone's mind? No one here knows who you are or cares if you think they're wrong. It's like that Don Draper meme, "[we] don't think about you at all". Bet you think you showed us, but truth is no one cares at all lol.
(06-27-2022, 10:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Burks is not a "small" for the Mavs (whatever that term may mean). He would be a wing, and he's about the same size and ilk as DFS and Bullock, their 2-way playoff-playable wings
Problem I have with Burks; he's undergoing foot surgery and is expected to be out the entire summer rehabbing and only be ready come training camp. Losing that entire summer means he'll most likely have a slow year.
That alone I'd be happier to accept any other player on the Knicks.
(06-27-2022, 11:56 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]Considering you used your very first post to say this...
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(06-27-2022, 11:27 PM)radix Wrote: [ -> ]Man, this board is a bunch of chicken littles.
There is absolutely NO indication that Brunsen is going anywhere. You all are just seeing ghosts.
Ridiculous.
I actually agree that the fear of Brunson leaving is a bit overblown. If this is all about $ then the Mavs should come away with him. If this is about role then the Mavs can never compete and frankly shouldn't want a guy that is clearly thinking about himself.
BUT to say that there is no indication is a bit...odd? You don't see the same tweets as us? The most likely explanation for me is that you're actually typing in Brunsen into the search bar and that's why you aren't coming up with the very real NYK ghosts. Just type in B R U N S O N and add a space then continue with K N I C K S and you can see what we're seeing.
And I've fed the troll
