(02-08-2023, 09:10 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]Scared money don't make money. The cost is McGee and Frank. Literally zero risk in that scenario.
Yeah that is what I mean though. McGee and Frank isn't a type of deal Morey makes.
I would certainly be in favor of a trade like this though.
(02-08-2023, 08:26 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]Hadn't thought of this.. appreciate you bringing it up. Might be the one team that doesn't view him as a complete negative. I personally would rather keep Bertans and trade THJ. Bertans as a shooter off the bench is the role we need. THJ the shooter that can't shoot, starting, is getting old..
As bad as THJ has been, I’m thinking he could stay if his value is as low as it seems to be. We will need shooters around Luka/Kyrie and i don’t think we can afford to trade both THJ and Bertans.
THJ is good for this team in many ways. Good teammate and hard worker, so the intangibles are there. Post-Kyrie we need to view things from a rest of season perspective since we’re going for it with the west being wide open. With our limited assets i think THJ is a gamble we should make. He’s primed to get hot down the stretch of this season and if he does, 1) he helps winning and 2) actually has real value this summer in trade
The biggest problem with keeping Hardaway is minutes. I’m under the belief that we’re starting him and we’ve been playing him so much for the sole reason of trade value. Post-TDL this won’t matter as much and he can be moved to the bench where he belongs. He can play if his shot is on. He should post some 10 min outings if it’s not. He must color in the lines……no more “driving” or ill-advised 3’s
Green is clearly better than Hardaway in every way and should start. My biggest fear is Green becoming so valuable his next contract is massive. That’s a good problem to have though
(02-08-2023, 09:08 AM)Mavs32 Wrote: [ -> ]already being over the cap this year and next is there any way that NO would trade Graham and Hayes to Dallas for THJ? they take on more money for next year but Graham and THJ are pretty similar and they keep the salary slot instead of losing Hayes for nothing. I can't imagine they will pay him this summer with the contracts we already have.
could you loop in Cleveland and send THJ to the Cavs and Levert to NO? that would save NO all of Graham's contract.
maybe NO sends one of their seconds or very low firsts to the Cavs to make it worth their while?
I like NO as a trade parter. Hayes and Hernangomez should be low cost
(02-08-2023, 09:13 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah that is what I mean though. McGee and Frank isn't a type of deal Morey makes.
The sixers need a backup Big and if you read the comments on the tweet, Sixers fans want to trade Thybulle for a bag of M&M's. Mavs wouldn't need him to play much and don't need offense, his Def could be useful in spurts come playoffs.
(02-08-2023, 09:18 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]The sixers need a backup Big
They can sign Cousins or Howard and might get more from them than from McGee
(02-08-2023, 09:16 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest problem with keeping Hardaway is minutes. I’m under the belief that we’re starting him and we’ve been playing him so much for the sole reason of trade value. Post-TDL this won’t matter as much and he can be moved to the bench where he belongs. He can play if his shot is on. He should post some 10 min outings if it’s not. He must color in the lines……no more “driving” or ill-advised 3’s
This is the problem though. He will not come off the bench for this team. That is why I want him gone. He will start and play ~30 minutes. Yuck!
(02-08-2023, 09:20 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]They can sign Cousins or Howard and might get more from them than from McGee
The options are overwhelming.
(02-08-2023, 09:16 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]As bad as THJ has been, I’m thinking he could stay if his value is as low as it seems to be. We will need shooters around Luka/Kyrie and i don’t think we can afford to trade both THJ and Bertans.
THJ is good for this team in many ways. Good teammate and hard worker, so the intangibles are there. Post-Kyrie we need to view things from a rest of season perspective since we’re going for it with the west being wide open. With our limited assets i think THJ is a gamble we should make. He’s primed to get hot down the stretch of this season and if he does, 1) he helps winning and 2) actually has real value this summer in trade
The biggest problem with keeping Hardaway is minutes. I’m under the belief that we’re starting him and we’ve been playing him so much for the sole reason of trade value. Post-TDL this won’t matter as much and he can be moved to the bench where he belongs. He can play if his shot is on. He should post some 10 min outings if it’s not. He must color in the lines……no more “driving” or ill-advised 3’s
Green is clearly better than Hardaway in every way and should start. My biggest fear is Green becoming so valuable his next contract is massive. That’s a good problem to have though
I like NO as a trade parter. Hayes and Hernangomez should be low cost
Hayes, Richards, Reid (although he is probably going to be prized out of my range for both assets and $), Sims (in dunk contest and I would be surprised if Knicks moved his low cost contract). There are some young, cheap bigs who interest me.
Just watching highlights of Nick Richards he seems like the prefect cheap gamble on a big. The Hornets may not even know he is gone. They have other bigs but he feels like someone who in 2 years is a very solid backup big who could be available for cheap.
(02-08-2023, 09:20 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]They can sign Cousins or Howard and might get more from them than from McGee
They could likely sign Lew Alcindor now and get more from him than McGee.
(02-08-2023, 09:08 AM)Mavs32 Wrote: [ -> ]already being over the cap this year and next is there any way that NO would trade Graham and Hayes to Dallas for THJ? they take on more money for next year but Graham and THJ are pretty similar and they keep the salary slot instead of losing Hayes for nothing. I can't imagine they will pay him this summer with the contracts we already have.
could you loop in Cleveland and send THJ to the Cavs and Levert to NO? that would save NO all of Graham's contract.
maybe NO sends one of their seconds or very low firsts to the Cavs to make it worth their while?
you could even loop in the Clippers.
Cleveland gets THJ, a second from NO and a second from LA
NO gets Lavert and get off Graham's contract
Clippers get Wood, Bullock, Graham and Frank.
Dallas gets Reggie Jackson, Kennard, Rob Covington and Jackson Hayes
Luka/ RJ
Kyrie/ Hardy
Green/ Kennard
Maxi/ Covington/ Bertans
Powell/ Hayes/ McGee
Mavs get the third ball handler, one of the better shooters in the L, a young athletic rim running center, a bigger defensive wing and get off THJ's contract. Mavs lose front court offense but get better fitting pieces.
who says no.
Maybe at that point the Mavs can find a way to get another defender for McGee.
(02-08-2023, 09:29 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]They could likely sign Lew Alcindor now and get more from him than McGee.
Good idea. He might jump at the chance to get ahead of LeBron in scoring again.
(02-08-2023, 09:39 AM)Mavs32 Wrote: [ -> ]you could even loop in the Clippers.
Cleveland gets THJ, a second from NO and a second from LA
NO gets Lavert and get off Graham's contract
Clippers get Wood, Bullock, Graham and Frank.
Dallas gets Reggie Jackson, Kennard, Rob Covington and Jackson Hayes
Luka/ RJ
Kyrie/ Hardy
Green/ Kennard
Maxi/ Covington/ Bertans
Powell/ Hayes/ McGee
Mavs get the third ball handler, one of the better shooters in the L, a young athletic rim running center, a bigger defensive wing and get off THJ's contract. Mavs lose front court offense but get better fitting pieces.
who says no.
Maybe at that point the Mavs can find a way to get another defender for McGee.
I am not sure that any assets to provide a 3rd ball handler are not wasted on diminishing returns. With Luka and Kyrie a vet along the lines of Kemba would be sufficient. However, I am comfortable that Frank and Hardy fill that need already. Unless Hardy is traded any ball handling guard brought in will stunt his growth this season.
My position at this point is that Dallas needs to make sure that any moves made forward are clear wins in talent upgrades, because there is little hope of correcting the financials without a jettison of Kyrie and swallowing this as a colossal swing and miss. IMO Wood helps more than hurts regarding a reset of the financials and should not be traded simply to salvage his value unless/until Kyrie's extension has been settled.
Scotto from Hoopshype mentioned Mavs inquired about Thybulle. Direct deal with Philly is difficult as he is more than minimum salary. So how about this?:
NY: Bullock, Mavs 2027 (NY could also choose 2025 if they wish)
Phi: FN, 2 or 3 SRP from NY (they also get under lux tax)
Dal: Thybulle, Toppin, Reddish
(02-08-2023, 12:01 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Scotto from Hoopshype mentioned Mavs inquired about Thybulle. Direct deal with Philly is difficult as he is more than minimum salary. So how about this?:
NY: Bullock, Mavs 2027 (NY could also choose 2025 if they wish)
Phi: FN, 2 or 3 SRP from NY (they also get under lux tax)
Dal: Thybulle, Toppin, Reddish
What are the Sixers looking for?
Thybulle + Korkmaz would be a package, I´d be interested in.
(02-08-2023, 12:08 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]What are the Sixers looking for?
Thybulle + Korkmaz would be a package, I´d be interested in.
1. Get under the tax, they are less than 2 mil over
2. Nothing really critical. Back-up center would be nice (no, McGee is not the answer for that), some 3-D always helps
If they don't care about the tax, Bullock for those two you mentioned makes sense for both sides
(02-08-2023, 12:08 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]What are the Sixers looking for?
Thybulle + Korkmaz would be a package, I´d be interested in.
Was Morey still there when they brought CWood Hou to play with Harden? Maybe he would have interest in CWood as a backup big who can give them a different look on bench units.
Cwood and Frank for Thybulle, Korkmaz, House
Edit - They were also reportedly shopping Tobias. Woudnt hate Tobias/Thybulle for THJ/Wood/Mcgee.
(02-08-2023, 12:13 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]1. Get under the tax, they are less than 2 mil over
2. Nothing really critical. Back-up center would be nice (no, McGee is not the answer for that), some 3-D always helps
If they don't care about the tax, Bullock for those two you mentioned makes sense for both sides
McGee+Frank for Thybulle & Korkmaz saves them 1.8M and gives them a back up big. Korkamz requested a trade for whatever that’s worth.
(02-08-2023, 12:19 PM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]McGee+Frank for Thybulle & Korkmaz saves them 1.8M and gives them a back up big. Korkamz requested a trade for whatever that’s worth.
No one will take 17 mil of McGee and give back better players in return. They can just dump Korkmaz with a second rounder or some cash to San Antonio and it is much cheaper for them...
(02-08-2023, 03:40 AM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]I mean the flip side is that he's garbage. Being a high draft pick and being a good athlete doesn't make a good basketball player. Another low energy, low motor guy with no bball IQ.
I'm trending more to this line of thought, but also he's never really been given a shot. With ATL he was a streaky player but the talent was enough to give him a mediocre bench role on a playoff team.
With NYK, he's basically been glued to the bench for almost 2 years. That wrecks development. There's an argument to be made that all he needs is some structure and a role and he can be a 2-way wing giving you 16ppg.
(02-08-2023, 12:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I'm trending more to this line of thought, but also he's never really been given a shot. With ATL he was a streaky player but the talent was enough to give him a mediocre bench role on a playoff team.
He started 62 out of 118 games for Atlanta, so he got all the opportunity. He was injured a lot and terribly inefficient. He is in NY 1 year (traded last TDL).
(02-08-2023, 09:29 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]They could likely sign Lew Alcindor now and get more from him than McGee.
I've been hearing Chicago is contemplating turning Drummond loose. He could go back to being Embiid's backup again.