(01-28-2023, 02:06 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Which is why now is the right time to do this
I agree with this one. If someone sees value in Bullock, Mavs should do it. I just disagree how much value is that. NY obviously thinks Reddish for Bullock is a fair value. There is a huge value gap between Reddish and Reddish + Quickley. I think way more than two SRP
Also on the Reddish aspect - I was under impression Mavs called about him, not NY about Bullock.
If the Mavs give up trying to extend Wood I think Miami would be a decent trade partner. They desperately need help scoring, and Bam can protect him on D.
Maybe Martin + Dedmon + 23 1st? Could be part of a 3-way trade if Cuban isn't willing to take a step back in the short term.
(01-28-2023, 02:06 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]I think the overall point should be that it’s a sellers market. If we are selling players (THJ, Bullock) in this market then we need to expect more than fair market value in return. Which is why now is the right time to do this
I mean, the only player NYK are reportedly selling is Reddish. It goes both ways. The Mavs would be buying Quickley in this scenario too since he is added to the trade after the initial ask of Reddish for Bullock. Sellers market doesn’t get rid of that fact.
Sure, the Knicks want Bullock, there’s no way they think OG is a better fit. No way they could be negotiating through the media with Tor saying, ok, you don’t like our best offer, then there’s someone out there we also like and all we have to give up is Reddish.
Quickley, Grimes and a FRP (plus filler of course) sounds EXACTLY like what Tor was reportedly asking for. Was that their “first blood” attempt at negotiating through the media with NYK? Now NY is clapping back feigning interest?
(01-28-2023, 01:16 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve often said if Donald Trump was a local real estate broker and was selling a $700,000 house, he’d set the asking price at $3,000,000 hoping to get someone to bite on a $1.5mm bargain. In a negotiation, you can take whatever position you want to take. Much depends on how much you want the deal vs how willing you are to walk away.
He’d set the ask at $3mm, yes, and then borrow 2.5 on it.
I wouldn't sleep on Grimes as filler in a deal. I think the kid has game.
Why do the Knicks need Bullock? Isn’t Grimes basically the same player only a decade younger? Slightly undersized 3&D guy that adds little else? Grimes is probably the better overall player now, but especially going forward.
(01-28-2023, 06:47 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: [ -> ]Why do the Knicks need Bullock? Isn’t Grimes basically the same player only a decade younger? Slightly undersized 3&D guy that adds little else? Grimes is probably the better overall player now, but especially going forward.
Don’t they need someone to back up Barrett and Grimes at the 2/3?
(01-28-2023, 02:37 PM)loki Wrote: [ -> ]If the Mavs give up trying to extend Wood I think Miami would be a decent trade partner. They desperately need help scoring, and Bam can protect him on D.
Maybe Martin + Dedmon + 23 1st? Could be part of a 3-way trade if Cuban isn't willing to take a step back in the short term.
That might work. Dedman is in Miami's doghouse so I'm sure he may be gone by the TDL. I don't think they'll give up a 1st. We're talking about Pat Riley here.
(01-28-2023, 06:12 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't sleep on Grimes as filler in a deal. I think the kid has game.
They literally missed out on Donovan Mitchell because they were trying to keep from including him this summer. He absolutely does have game, but I don’t think he’s going to be “filler” in any deal at all.
(01-28-2023, 09:49 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I’d want to know what the rules are around extensions in the new CBA before considering this.
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If they don’t fix the extension rules by the TDL (supposedly an announcement is coming just before the TDL), then....
What issue/fix are you thinking of and wishing for?
I know you know that rules don't get changed mid-CBA. And no new rules really exist, nor can be assured, until a new CBA is fully agreed. That's not happening by the TDL, yes?
(01-28-2023, 08:38 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]What issue/fix are you thinking of and wishing for?
I know you know that rules don't get changed mid-CBA. And no new rules really exist, nor can be assured, until a new CBA is fully agreed. That's not happening by the TDL, yes?
They purposely moved the opt-out deadline from 12/15 to 2/8…just before the TDL. I think teams would like some certainty about what the tax might look like and what the 120% extension rules might look like as they are making decisions about who to trade or not. There is at least some expectation in things I’ve read that they may get some guidance.
My understanding is they are trying to clean up a few things rather than let the deadline pass or have one side or the other unilaterally opt out. If the deadline passes, nothing can be done. If either side opts out without a solution already agreed to, then everything is on the table. Neither side seems to want either of those options…thus the current negotiations.
That makes sense -- although I would quibble with the idea that the deadline is set in stone and that they will have answers by then.
In these things, everything is negotiable. They had a deadline Dec 15 - until they mutually agreed it wasn't the deadline after all. In the same vein, I would see Feb 8 as their currently preferred resolution point, in light of the fact that teams would prefer to make TDL choices with a peek at what lies ahead - but nevertheless just a deadline that could get end up changed in the same way that the previous deadline of Dec 15 was moved.
(01-28-2023, 10:46 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I would see Feb 8 as their currently preferred resolution point, in light of the fact that teams would prefer to make TDL choices with a peek at what lies ahead - but nevertheless just a deadline that could get end up changed in the same way that the previous deadline of Dec 15 was moved.
My belief as well.
My predictions for what the Mavs will do at the deadline:
The Mavs need to reset their shitty roster and start over and Cuban is broke, so let’s save him some money:
Trade 1 with the Lakers:
Incoming: Westbrook and Beverley
Outgoing: Spencer, THJ, Bertans, McGee
Lakers get slightly better this season. Mavs save something like $60 million next season (didn’t really check the math so may be off a little, but you get the point).
Trade 2 with the Knicks:
Incoming: Reddish
Outgoing: Bullock
Thibbs likes Bullock. He’s better suited than Cam for a playoff run. The Mavs save $10 million next year (no chance the Mavs resign Cam).
Of course, I doubt this is exactly what happens, but I do think the Mavs will try to move off contracts at the deadline and there are only so many ways to do that. And, this roster is a steaming pile of shite with no prospects for the future, so why not. Just because it puts a lot of cash in Cuban’s pocket doesn’t mean it’s the wrong move. If Cuban followed those trades by selling the team, now you have a real chance of building something great, worthy of Luka and the city of Dallas, not to mention the great state of Texas.
I just think that LAL is a non starter for them. They have a real chance for free agent money this offseason. Probably their last grasp to make it a competitive team under Lebron and that is a pretty long shot. Even if they don't sign a FA, they could also use that money to trade for a player.
I just don't think those players move the needle enough for them to give up that flexibility this offseason.
Dallas gets - Bogdanovic, Noel, Knox
Det gets - THJ, Bertans, 2025 unprotected 1st
- Giving up an unprotected 1 is tough for someone Bojan’s age but it’s undeniable how he would help for next year or two. Consistent shooting is badly needed (see THJ last night). Bojan’s added playmaking would help as well and defensively he’s at least on par with THJ. Noel is a big that would have a role here and Knox still has some untapped potential I believe. Finally, this trade has the added bonus of getting off THJ and Bertans money.
Dallas gets - Immanuel Quickly, Cam Reddish
NY gets - Reggie Bullock, Jaden Hardy
- Quickly has the potential to be a long term piece here and his skill set is badly needed (ball handler who can play on both ends). You could make the argument of including Green instead of Hardy which I would do as well. You have to give something of value to get IQ. Reddish is just filler but like Knox above is another youth piece to be developed and has potential.
Dallas gets - John Collins
ATL gets - Christian Wood, Javale Mcgee, 2 2nd Rd picks
- We can’t lose Wood for nothing and ATL is said to be looking for a shooting big. While i understand some still prefer Wood over Collins, I personally think Collins is a better fit long term as he has shown to have quicker feet defensively and the ability to guard (when motivated).
Luka
Dinwiddie
Bojan
Kleber
Collins
Quickly
DFS
Green
Noel
Reddish
Knox
Powell
Overall this roster overhaul adds youth/athleticim/long term pieces but also improves our ability to win now. The cost being a 2025 1st, Hardy, and 2 2nds… Our ability to make big trades with multiple pick would still be there after the draft, but I don’t believe we can outbid the NY and NOP of the world for a superstar anyway. We shouldn’t be adverse to using assets now to acquire starting level players.
Edit - I’m probably starting Quickly in this scenario and moving Dinwiddie back to 6th man role.
(01-29-2023, 09:50 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I just think that LAL is a non starter for them. They have a real chance for free agent money this offseason. Probably their last grasp to make it a competitive team under Lebron and that is a pretty long shot. Even if they don't sign a FA, they could also use that money to trade for a player.
I just don't think those players move the needle enough for them to give up that flexibility this offseason.
With the trade for Rui and the intention of re-signing him, they actually don’t have much flexibility. The Rui trade indicates to me they are likely to move Russ+ picks package to get players they want now.