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(01-24-2023, 10:43 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Rentals for rest of this season and next.  Both have TO for 23/24.

Oh wow I totally misread those and thought they were player options.  Sign me up for this if that's the case.  Just keep piling up Buffs on the team.

(01-24-2023, 11:35 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]need movable contracts or draft capital.

(01-24-2023, 11:35 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I am still struggling with this mindset that you have to have all your contracts expire in 24 in order to clear room for free agents.  Miami, GS and LA are not unique in that they can clear cap when they need to (anybody can do that), they are unique in that they can actually attract max free agents to begin with.  If you need to clear cap you just need movable contracts or draft capital.  If the Mavs plan it correctly, they will have both.  

I find it hard to believe they will have trouble moving Timmy's contract at 16 mil when he will be an expiring and potentially an asset at that amount.  Bertans will only be a 5 mil hit.  I don't see that we need to make moves right now with explicit purpose of clearing those two for 24, especially when it involves spending assets.

I don’t think you have to have all of your contracts expiring in 24.  I think you have to have a credible threat to get to the number you want fairly easily.  It gives you the option of offering to S&T for your guy (but that might have BYC issues).  If the other party won’t play along, then you activate your plan to get space.  But, there are other things to consider besides just THJ and Bertans.  Are we keeping Wood past 23/24?  If so, that eats into some of the margin we’d generate by moving THJ and Bertans.  What do we do with McGee.  

I’m not trying to create $60-something million in space.  I do think you need to be one easy move from $40mm.  Maybe that one move is Tim.  Maybe it is Wood.  Maybe it is a S/W of someone.  I don’t think we can dismissively say Tim will be easy to move for space.  We don’t know what his health will be at that point.  We don’t know which teams will have cap space and what the going rate for taking on someone like Tim will be.  With the FA class I’m envisioning, space might be very expensive to come by.  We’d definitely need to hold onto a tradable 24 pick in case we have to have it to buy our way to space.

I feel sorry for JC at this point....spent half his career in trade rumors and never traded.

(01-24-2023, 01:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I feel sorry for JC at this point....spent half his career in trade rumors and never traded.

He needs to start a support group with Myles Turner.

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(01-24-2023, 12:21 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t think you have to have all of your contracts expiring in 24.  I think you have to have a credible threat to get to the number you want fairly easily.  It gives you the option of offering to S&T for your guy (but that might have BYC issues).  If the other party won’t play along, then you activate your plan to get space.  But, there are other things to consider besides just THJ and Bertans.  Are we keeping Wood past 23/24?  If so, that eats into some of the margin we’d generate by moving THJ and Bertans.  What do we do with McGee.  

I’m not trying to create $60-something million in space.  I do think you need to be one easy move from $40mm.  Maybe that one move is Tim.  Maybe it is Wood.  Maybe it is a S/W of someone.  I don’t think we can dismissively say Tim will be easy to move for space.  We don’t know what his health will be at that point.  We don’t know which teams will have cap space and what the going rate for taking on someone like Tim will be.  With the FA class I’m envisioning, space might be very expensive to come by.  We’d definitely need to hold onto a tradable 24 pick in case we have to have it to buy our way to space.

To me this kind of breaks down once you start assuming (as I do, potentially incorrectly) that they intend to use their picks this offseason to try to upgrade talent.  You would assume if they do that successfully then the cap space probably disappears with whoever you are bringing in.  Maybe getting 2024 loading with cap space is the backup plan but it's a plan that sounds all too familiar...

(01-24-2023, 08:27 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I mean RC has warts.....but we all know who the current Mavs coach is......

I was just trying to say that RC isn't really known as a defensive mastermind

(01-24-2023, 01:18 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]He needs to start a support group with Myles Turner.

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To me this kind of breaks down once you start assuming (as I do, potentially incorrectly) that they intend to use their picks this offseason to try to upgrade talent.  You would assume if they do that successfully then the cap space probably disappears with whoever you are bringing in.  Maybe getting 2024 loading with cap space is the backup plan but it's a plan that sounds all too familiar...

I think the idea is to have both options available.  If the right trade comes along next offseason, you pull the trigger and don't worry about space.  If it doesn't, you are in a position to sign a big free agent in 24.

(01-24-2023, 01:18 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]To me this kind of breaks down once you start assuming (as I do, potentially incorrectly) that they intend to use their picks this offseason to try to upgrade talent.  You would assume if they do that successfully then the cap space probably disappears with whoever you are bringing in.  Maybe getting 2024 loading with cap space is the backup plan but it's a plan that sounds all too familiar...

Agree with mvossman…it is about optionality.  I don’t think the deals I’ve mentioned weaken our ability to compete now or next season.  In fact, the Bojan deal even gives the option of keeping him into the 24/25 season.  Trading 3-4 firsts for Sammy Superstar is more of a message board creation than something the team has said they plan to do, but it is definitely a possibility.  I would note that the most credible rumors about the Mav’s lately are about guys on short deals.  I’d also note that the price of Sammy Superstar has gone up a ton.

I think the in-between for this kind of thing might be to trade one pick and THJ or Bertans for a high priced guy on a short deal and a young guy.   That way you’d add a guy you might want to keep and retain say three of the four picks you could trade this summer AND set yourself up for Plan Powder 24.

(01-24-2023, 11:00 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Jaxson Hayes, Mo Bamba, Cam Reddish, Cam Thomas, RJ Hampton....who has the potential to be the best defender of this group?   I am not sure if all are available, but I would be interested in a low cost gamble for all.  All are 24 and below (Bamba is 24).  Anymore buy low former lottery picks (outside of Thomas) who have not made a jump yet?

All of them have 1 thing in common. Low basketball IQ / low motor . Maybe Hayes is the only one I would even consider.

Ill give you Spencer for Bridges

(01-24-2023, 06:42 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...6562767874

Seems like an ideal Heat player.   Big fan.  His outside shot this year is concerning though.  Winning player.    

Portland is interesting.  They seem to be stuck in the same place every year...with the exception of 1.   Do they have time to keep the team together and hope Sharpe hits bigtime?   Or do they have to begin difficult discussions?

How about an Ibaka for Ntilikina swap, no picks. Bucks looking to dump him. Seems like a good rental 

I’ve always liked the Burks and Noel for Hardaway swap 

I’m expecting something like this

Can’t do nothing when Luka wants new players. I think the goal should be move some chess pieces around and set things up going forward. Smart moves where we can also win now

(01-24-2023, 07:46 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]How about an Ibaka for Ntilikina swap, no picks. Bucks looking to dump him. Seems like a good rental 

I’ve always liked the Burks and Noel for Hardaway swap 

I’m expecting something like this

Can’t do nothing when Luka wants new players. I think the goal should be move some chess pieces around and set things up going forward. Smart moves where we can also win now

I think MIL's thinking is to find a taker who will send nothing back. This seems like a cost-saving move (MIL is way over the tax line) that may even turn into a buyout -- and Ntilikina would actually cost them more in salary and tax than Ibaka.