(06-21-2022, 08:08 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Okay. Here's the general principle -- while player salaries being traded can be combined, in general each player is a separate "exception" to the trade rules, allowing some return in that trade. And who matches with who is done for each team separately, to their best benefit.
Draft picks and cash are ignored. But the pick will cost DAL (not CHA) over 4M in salary.
DAL existing TPE expires Jun 27, so this must be a June deal.
Deals in June give a team an exception from an outgoing player for the lesser of salary this year or next.
DAL can take both Hayward and PJW (tot about 33) using the THJ-Powell combo (125%). The existing TPE will take Plumlee. Green is leftover with nothing to match, so Mavs get a new TPE for about 2.9M.
CHA can take all 3 of THJ, Powell, Green using Hayward (125%). They get new TPE's for both Plumlee and PJW.
TPEs are confusing. ESPN trade machine usually stumbles over them, But they are not traded. They are used, and sometimes when one is used, then the other team will get their own as salary goes up on one side and down on the other. So it looks like being traded, but no.
Thanks for that explanation. I understood it that each transaction created its own exception, not that the whole aggregate was then seen from each side of the transaction. Illuminating.
I still don't know why powell and plumlee would be included in this trade suggestion then, unless you view Powell as a substantial asset that incentivizes CHA to do the deal, since he costs CHA 2M more than Plumlee. The deal works without them, and CHA's motivation is for cap relief.
(06-21-2022, 08:10 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]13.4 TRB% for Kleber?
Not as high on individual rebounding rates. More interested in the team rebounding impact. Best example Steven Adams. Same DRB% as Kleber. But you would probably agree that there is a night and day difference when it comes to the team impact. Highlighted by the teams on/off performance with/without Adams.
Find me a couple of guys that are willing to boxout over players that chase individual rebounding numbers.
Where are you getting stats? I'm using 82games.
That said, Charlotte is only slightly better than Dallas in every rebounding category.
We need to upgrade starting rebounding. Hayward and Washington don't do that.
(06-21-2022, 08:39 PM)nash_funk Wrote: [ -> ]Where are you getting stats? I'm using 82games.
That said, Charlotte is only slightly better than Dallas in every rebounding category.
We need to upgrade starting rebounding. Hayward and Washington don't do that.
Bball ref and NBA.com.
Overall I am not as concerned about rebounding. In the regular season the Mavs ranked 9th in DRB%. 23rd in ORB%. But the second number is more about the scheme. With a focus on transition defense. At max two guys crashing the offensive board.
Playoffs painted a different picture. With the Mavs in the bottom five in both categories but once again I would point out that it was willing decision to give up a few rebounds in exchange for a switchable defense and five out spacing on offense. Small ball worked. They just ran into a team that can do it even better. Gobert or Ayton did not beat the Mavs. It was Looney. And that wasn´t really about his individual greatness. More about the Mavs focus on the perimeter. Going all out to slow down shooters like Curry, Thompson or Poole is difficult and more often than not teams have to expose the paint to do it.
Would obviously like to upgrade the team rebounding but not at the cost of the things that turned the Mavs into a contender. Switchable defense, Five-out spacing. Would argue that the addition of Wood proves that the Mavs share those thoughts. Prefering mobility over bulk and strength in the paint.
What we need
Is a little respect
From the refs
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(06-21-2022, 08:29 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for that explanation. I understood it that each transaction created its own exception, not that the whole aggregate was then seen from each side of the transaction. Illuminating.
I still don't know why powell and plumlee would be included in this trade suggestion then, unless you view Powell as a substantial asset that incentivizes CHA to do the deal, since he costs CHA 2M more than Plumlee. The deal works without them, and CHA's motivation is for cap relief.
why powell and plumlee would be included in this trade suggestion...?
The deal does NOT work w/o them. Without Powell, you can't match the Hayward salary. THJ + Green isn't enough.
So Powell MUST be included. Or another someone. Once you add Powell, you can take back BOTH GH and PJW. . Plumlee then makes sense on both sides to be moved from CHA to DAL using the TPE.
(06-21-2022, 09:06 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]why powell and plumlee would be included in this trade suggestion...?
The deal does NOT work w/o them. Without Powell, you can't match the Hayward salary. THJ + Green isn't enough.
So Powell MUST be included. Or another someone. Once you add Powell, you can take back BOTH GH and PJW. . Plumlee then makes sense on both sides to be moved from CHA to DAL using the TPE.
What if you took advantage of the Wood trade remaining open? If you add in THJ/Green for Hayward/Pick to the existing framework the total outgoing is $34.8mm which matches the $43.5mm for Wood and Haywood combined. The Dallas TPE could be used to absorb additional salary if need be.
(06-21-2022, 04:24 PM)nash_funk Wrote: [ -> ]Haywood's defense has really dropped off. Too many injuries. Look at his advanced stats from last year.
All things considered, I'd rather Harris, Randle, or Collins.
His advanced stats I'm looking at (EPM and Lebron) say he was better than average.
None of those guys you mention are significantly better defensively and they are all more expensive asset wise.
Here's a slightly different DAL-CHA idea (with ORL added) that might be a more palatable swap for all the parties involved ---
*DAL gets Hayward ... sends THJ/Bertans
*CHA gets THJ or Bertans (their choice) ...sends Hayward + pick 13
*ORL gets THJ or Bertans (whichever is left) + pick 13 ...sends nothing
Mavs - No added salary - Mavs actually get a 5M savings on payroll
CHA - Doesn't have to give up PJW, still gets about 15M savings + THJ [for GH/13]
ORL - Gets pick 13, priced with a smaller salary to absorb (about half the size of GH)
(06-21-2022, 09:22 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]What if you took advantage of the Wood trade remaining open? If you add in THJ/Green for Hayward/Pick to the existing framework the total outgoing is $34.8mm which matches the $43.5mm for Wood and Haywood combined. The Dallas TPE could be used to absorb additional salary if need be.
Even that way, I don't think the DAL total is enough. Getting pulled away, but hurriedly, by memory, rounded, isn't it
THJ 19.5
JG 3
Hou group 10.5
33 x 1.25
TPE cant be used.
Check my math but I think it's not enough.
here is my shot at it.
you involve the Jazz.
Jazz get Hayward, Washington the #15pick
Hornets get THJ & Rudy Gay
Mavs get Bogdanovic & Plumlee.
Ainge takes a flyer on his guy Hayward and basically runs it back for another year while deciding what he has and what to do with Gobert. Meanwhile he is picking up Washington and the #15pick
Hornets clear almost $20mil off this year's cap number so they can resign Bridges
Dallas gets frontcourt scoring off the bench, a legit center (not a pf playing center) and clear their books for next summer. depending on what they did with Wood and SD, they could almost afford a max player next summer. Although Dallas does eat a bunch of payroll this year.
Luka/Dragic/Frank
Brunson/SD/Green
Bullock/Bogdanovic
DFS/Maxi/Bertans
Wood/Plumlee/
plus the TPMLE and a vet min deal.
feel free to check my math because i did everything off the top of my head but the trade worked on fanspo
(06-21-2022, 09:41 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Even that way, I don't think the DAL total is enough. Getting pulled away, but hurriedly, by memory, rounded, isn't it
THJ 19.5
JG 3
Hou group 10.5
33 x 1.25
TPE cant be used.
Check my math but I think it's not enough.
Hardaway is 21.3. It covers.
Some writer on the SI.com site put out Ibaka as an interesting FA name.
Dragic and Ibaka would be a lot of veteran experience added to Wood and the Sacred Six.
(06-21-2022, 10:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Some writer on the SI.com site put out Ibaka as an interesting FA name.
Dragic and Ibaka would be a lot of veteran experience added to Wood and the Sacred Six.
Does Ibaka have anything left?
I wouldn’t hate it as a minimum 3rd or 4th big.