(01-07-2023, 01:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]My dude getting dealt FOR SURE then.
Do you see Wood-Turner frontcourt as something that could work?
(01-07-2023, 01:56 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Do you see Wood-Turner frontcourt as something that could work?
Nope, but I maybe could be talked into sending Wood as part of the package for Turner. I would have to feel really good about Turner's interest in re-signing here, staying healthy and playing next to Luka.
(01-07-2023, 01:10 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Lets say each of the players below is available for an unprotected FRP:
- Bogdanovic (Detroit)
- Turner - it is basically his choice where he wants to be next season, I doubt Indy can get more than 1 FRP. I doubt anyone would pay unprotected FRP for a rental
- Poeltl
- VanVleet
- Kuzma
Outgoing salary is any combination of Bertans, THJ, Bullock and Powell.
Can you see Mavs becoming a serious contender getting any 2-man combination from the list above?
Poeltl and Turner don't make sense if we are keeping Wood.
I don't want to pay a first for a 34 year old, and Bogi defense would be a problem on this team
I'm on the fence if Kuzma is worth a first.
I would probably pull the trigger on Timmy + first for VanVleet, but I am higher on him than most.
Actually, I could see Timmy + first for VanVleet and Powell + Bullock for Collins. I think that might be a contender with the wide open West. When everyone is healthy you could have a starting lineup of Wood/Collins/Luka/Green/Fred with Maxi/Dorian/Din and eventually Hardy as your primary bench. In that scenario you still have most of your picks and have a lot of options from there.
(01-07-2023, 01:57 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]lineup of Wood/Collins
I think Wood/Collins would be working worse than Wood/Turner
Turner was guarding PF his whole time with Sabonis. So I am not sure Wood at center and Turner at PF would not work. Of course they would still play without eachother, which means rougly 15 minutes solo Wood and 15 minutes solo Turner.
(01-07-2023, 02:01 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think Wood/Collins would be working worse than Wood/Turner
Turner was guarding PF his whole time with Sabonis. So I am not sure Wood at center and Turner at PF would not work.
I think both situations are bad, but I personally would rather try Wood/Collins if I had to pick one.
I get where you're coming from, though. You're basically thinking Turner with
either of the other two is preferable to the other two being together, if I understand you.
I was listening to Bill Simmons podcast from about a week ago about trades he thought Dallas should do Josh Green, Bertans and a first for Bogdanovich (Det). Man, I just can't see that. I would be super bummed.
(01-07-2023, 09:35 AM)Mavs32 Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs get Hayward & Rozier
There might be a deal that makes this possible and improves the team. It isn't sexy, mostly because it's so "right now" oriented. Very little reason for future optimism based on this acquisition, but I do think it would change the team for the better this year and next.
(01-07-2023, 02:01 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think Wood/Collins would be working worse than Wood/Turner
Turner was guarding PF his whole time with Sabonis. So I am not sure Wood at center and Turner at PF would not work. Of course they would still play without eachother, which means rougly 15 minutes solo Wood and 15 minutes solo Turner.
I'm not sure that's true as Collins is mostly playing power forward as well. The big difference is that Turner is a rental that costs a first and Collins is distressed right now and the perfect time to acquire.
Turner is interesting. There were reports the Pacers were looking to extend him and the Pacers are a young and exciting team. If Turner feels burned from years of trade rumors, things can get interesting. Especially if he does not commit to an extension for a team trading for him. Pelicans, Warriors and Nets would seem to have interest. Probably others as well. But if Turner is adamant on where he wants to go, then it could open a route for Dallas, if interested.
(01-06-2023, 09:39 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]That's true, but I'm telling you this is a player I've watched a fair amount. He's nowhere near as good as you think (or as I thought) from afar.
I agree on Levert but with where the Mavs/Cuban are financially, that’s an easy yes trade for me.
Levert gives you a third ball handler and frees up a lot of “financial flexibility.” I think getting rid of the THJ contract makes it more likely we can retain Wood or trade for a guy like Collins.
(01-06-2023, 11:44 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Hardaway - Levert feels something with potential to be a real deal. Mavs might even ask for (and get) a side tip of some sort, since Levert's value is reduced by the fact he's a rental (while THJ is on a reasonably-priced contract that declines from year to year).
With this front office, I expect we have to tip Cleveland in a trade for getting off long term money.
(01-07-2023, 02:28 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure that's true as Collins is mostly playing power forward as well.
Wood and Collins are basically same player. Both suspect defense at best and totaly same game on offense. I don't think we can build a contender with two of them.
(01-07-2023, 02:28 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]The big difference is that Turner is a rental that costs a first
Of course one would only trade for Turner if he is (perfectly) willing to sign an extension or at least have an oral agreement for a summer contract.
(01-07-2023, 02:54 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Wood and Collins are basically same player. Both suspect defense at best and totaly same game on offense. I don't think we can build a contender with two of them.
Of course one would only trade for Turner if he is (perfectly) willing to sign an extension or at least have an oral agreement for a summer contract.
He grew up here…hire his dad, I hear that’s how you get FAs.
(01-07-2023, 01:10 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Lets say each of the players below is available for an unprotected FRP:
- Bogdanovic (Detroit)
- Turner - it is basically his choice where he wants to be next season, I doubt Indy can get more than 1 FRP. I doubt anyone would pay unprotected FRP for a rental
- Poeltl
- VanVleet
- Kuzma
Outgoing salary is any combination of Bertans, THJ, Bullock and Powell.
Can you see Mavs becoming a serious contender getting any 2-man combination from the list above?
VanVleet would vault the Mavs into contention. He’s in his prime too and has some good years left. It’s like getting a slightly upgraded Brunson. VanVleet is the right play, if it’s really available.
(01-07-2023, 10:26 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1006...ey-to-burn
The article (by Eric Pincus) says "The Dallas Mavericks are on the list [to trade for DET's Bogdanovic], but one source said the Pistons would demand the Mavericks' 2027 first-round pick (probably with a player like Davis Bertans, whose contract isn't pretty)."
Bertans + 1st FOR Bogdanovic?
The upside: BB is a really good offensive player.
The downside: Bogy's defense is horrendous (122 is really really really bad), per B-R. (He's the worst rotation regular on the 29th rated D in the league). His defense is so bad that he's probably a net negative player. And he turns 34 in April, with 2 more seasons after this one at 20M per.
(01-07-2023, 08:57 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]The article (by Eric Pincus) says "The Dallas Mavericks are on the list [to trade for DET's Bogdanovic], but one source said the Pistons would demand the Mavericks' 2027 first-round pick (probably with a player like Davis Bertans, whose contract isn't pretty)."
Bertans + 1st FOR Bogdanovic?
The upside: BB is a really good offensive player.
The downside: Bogy's defense is horrendous (122 is really really really bad), per B-R. (He's the worst rotation regular on the 29th rated D in the league). His defense is so bad that he's probably a net negative player. And he turns 34 in April, with 2 more seasons after this one at 20M per.
Tempting, but I don’t think I’d pull the trigger. I just can’t justify using a pick like that with the trade market like it is. They’re going to need 3 picks and two swaps available soon to even make a bid on somebody truly difference making.
I saw a similar idea a couple of days ago that was essentially this same trade but with either Green or Hardy thrown in. I would probably just hang up the phone on whoever asked me for that in exchange for a 34 year old. This version is better and at least worth considering.
(01-07-2023, 08:57 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]The article (by Eric Pincus) says "The Dallas Mavericks are on the list [to trade for DET's Bogdanovic], but one source said the Pistons would demand the Mavericks' 2027 first-round pick (probably with a player like Davis Bertans, whose contract isn't pretty)."
Bertans + 1st FOR Bogdanovic?
The upside: BB is a really good offensive player.
The downside: Bogy's defense is horrendous (122 is really really really bad), per B-R. (He's the worst rotation regular on the 29th rated D in the league). His defense is so bad that he's probably a net negative player. And he turns 34 in April, with 2 more seasons after this one at 20M per.
I don’t understand how Bogi’s value has gone up from when Det traded for him? He has done worse this year than last has he not?
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