He needs to change his name to Kyrie West.
(02-03-2023, 03:42 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Well not even talking about if I want him, but Lakers need to be the favorite. They have the best package if they offered it and the location Krazy Kyrie wants to wind up in.
Pretty sure the location Kyrie wants to end up in is the one that gives him the bag at this point.
(02-03-2023, 03:44 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Reminds me of the time when I thought that Rondo was the missing piece.
Rondo doesn't even remotely compare talent wise. But their equal in quirkiness.
(02-03-2023, 03:41 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Good.
If we move Josh Green for Kyrie I'm rioting but if we can get him with some sort of Wood/Hardaway package then I can talk myself into it pretty quickly.
Curious what the Nets see his value as...I would assume they're asking for picks but they have very little leverage in this spot.
Agreed with Green NOT to be included.
As for Wood.. even if he doesn't get an extension, Wood can be had in FA.
Trade him now and you burn bridges.
Crazy pills on the other hand has ZERO chances of being a Mav next season.
Not including Wood for him.
And we're not even at the topic of the potential conflict with Luka.
Kyrie for SD and THJ is enough package for Kyrie.
Expand the trade to get Seth as the ball-handling guard as emergency once crazy decides he wants to miss games for some reason.
The only trade for Kyrie i could talk myself into is THJ+Bertans. No picks, no Hardy, no Josh, no Wood. I'd take Markiev if they don't want to free up a roster spot. I'd even throw in a second as we're the Mavs
Say everything Kyrie wants to hear until the playoffs are over, then let him go in FA. Don't even try to resign him.
Otherwise stay clear of this nutter.
(02-03-2023, 02:45 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Expand it? THJ/SD/Wood for Kyrie/Claxton?
I’m good with that…mainly because I like Claxton. I’m very in favor of moving THJ. That alone covers the salary for Kyrie/Claxton, but Brooklyn doesn’T do it without getting a center back…which you’ve done. Powell or McGee instead of Wood would also work from a salary perspective. Could you pair Claxton with Wood in the starting lineup here? If so, maybe we try to sub out someone for Wood. Everyone seems interested in DFS. If you started Claxton/Wood/Green/Irving/Luka, do you put DFS in the right deal? What if it gets you the Brooklyn first?
Seems like SD would have to be in any deal. From there you need $9.4mm more in outgoing salary. All sorts of options to get there. I’ll point out that a Harris for THJ swap has value because Harris is only owed one more year. This has to be thought of as a rental as the Lakers could get to room if necessary. So, I’d want something tangible back (like your Claxton idea). I also wouldn’t want to give up draft capital to get a deal done. You need to feel good about what you end up with sans Irving if it turns out that way.
(02-03-2023, 03:54 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I’m good with that…mainly because I like Claxton. I’m very in favor of moving THJ. That alone covers the salary for Kyrie/Claxton, but Brooklyn doesn’T do it without getting a center back…which you’ve done. Powell or McGee instead of Wood would also work from a salary perspective. Could you pair Claxton with Wood in the starting lineup here? If so, maybe we try to sub out someone for Wood. Everyone seems interested in DFS. If you started Claxton/Wood/Green/Irving/Luka, do you put DFS in the right deal? What if it gets you the Brooklyn first?
Seems like SD would have to be in any deal. From there you need $9.4mm more in outgoing salary. All sorts of options to get there. I’ll point out that a Harris for THJ swap has value because Harris is only owed one more year. This has to be thought of as a rental as the Lakers could get to room if necessary. So, I’d want something tangible back (like your Claxton idea). I also wouldn’t want to give up draft capital to get a deal done. You need to feel good about what you end up with sans Irving if it turns out that way.
Isn't Claxton's value pretty high right now? If the Nets build a larger trade out I feel like it would be with contracts they aren't happy with like Joe Harris.
(02-03-2023, 03:50 PM)Halfnir Wrote: [ -> ]The only trade for Kyrie i could talk myself into is THJ+Bertans. No picks, no Hardy, no Josh, no Wood. I'd take Markiev if they don't want to free up a roster spot.
Say everything Kyrie wants to hear until the playoffs are over, then let him go in FA. Don't even try to resign him.
Otherwise stay clear of this nutter.
The Nets aren't giving up Kyrie for that. THJ and Bertans, you'll be listening to a dialtone. He's a head case but he's a talented one. Gotta come better than that.
(02-03-2023, 02:27 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]One thing I would say though is if Kyrie becomes a two month rental
But that is the whole deal with requesting the trade. He wants to go somewhere where he knows he will get max money. Otherwise he could just stay in BKN and wait for FA.
(02-03-2023, 03:58 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]The Nets aren't giving up Kyrie for that. THJ and Bertans, you'll be listening to a dialtone. He's a head case but he's a talented one. Gotta come better than that.
I know. Good for us as i don't want him on our team even for a couple of months unless the trade solves a good part of our roster issues.
(02-03-2023, 03:58 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]But that is the whole deal with requesting the trade. He wants to go somewhere where he knows he will get max money. Otherwise he could just stay in BKN and wait for FA.
My post was more about if we had the intention of resigning him but by the end of 2 months we've decided the head ache isn't worth it. After the TDL he doesn't really have an option other than to play so we would have leverage until the offseason and just use this season as a trial run.
Although I would think that if the Mavs are trying to grab him their probably just going to extend him right away so...
Our offer has to start with Wood/Dinwiddie.
Lakers offering Russ + '27 and '29 picks would top that.
Claxton's name shouldn't be mentioned anywhere near this trade.
(02-03-2023, 04:01 PM)Halfnir Wrote: [ -> ]I know. Good for us as i don't want him on our team even for a couple of months unless the trade solves a good part of our roster issues.
Good for us?
Mavs are obviously interested. Which means they certainly value him more than THJ+Bertans, because BKN will never take that crap contracts without serious compensation. It would be better for them to just lock Irving somewhere for two months. Wood + SD or perhaps Wood + THJ could be interesting for BKN, and I would still expect a sweetener from our side.
(02-03-2023, 03:56 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Isn't Claxton's value pretty high right now? If the Nets build a larger trade out I feel like it would be with contracts they aren't happy with like Joe Harris.
Yes he is. Harris expires after a year, so I doubt they want THJ instead. How about a 3-Way…
Miami gets DFS/THJ and gives Lowry/Jovic
Brooklyn gets Wood/Lowry and gives Irving/Claxton
Dallas gives Wood/THJ/DFS and gets Irving/Claxton/Jovic
Kyrie is 31 in March.
Does he still look spry to you all like he does me? If not...how is his current defense and how do you see it in 2 or 3 years?
Personally...I dont see Kyrie falling off a cliff in the next two or three years unless he turns to the bottle and butterfingers.
What is max money for Kyrie? Whom ever gives him most guaranteed? Does his contract have to be 4 or 5 years or can it be max money for 3?
Im not giving up the farm roster wise or draft asset wise...but Im not afraid of top dollar for a few years if Mavs have the cap room
(02-03-2023, 04:10 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Yes he is. Harris expires after a year, so I doubt they want THJ instead. How about a 3-Way…
Miami gets DFS/THJ and gives Lowry/Jovic
Brooklyn gets Wood/Lowry and gives Irving/Claxton
Dallas gives Wood/THJ/DFS and gets Irving/Claxton/Jovic
Maybe I am completly off on Claxton´s value but I think he is worth more than Kyrie. Vegas has him 2nd in the DPOY race.
(02-03-2023, 04:06 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Good for us? Mavs are obviously interested. Which means they certainly value him more than THJ+Bertans, because BKN will never take that crap contracts without serious compensation. It would be better for them to just lock Irving somewhere for two months. Wood + SD or perhaps Wood + THJ could be interesting for BKN, and I would still expect a sweetener from our side.
Its hard to imagine the deal not including SD. He is the closest thing to a Kyrie replacement on Mavs/Lakers. I would greatly prefer Timmy + SD, but if they don't think they can extend Wood, I could see a SD + Wood trade. That is probably the best player combination they can get from either team. Then maybe you try to work out some kind of a trade for Collins.
(02-03-2023, 04:10 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Yes he is. Harris expires after a year, so I doubt they want THJ instead. How about a 3-Way…
Miami gets DFS/THJ and gives Lowry/Jovic
Brooklyn gets Wood/Lowry and gives Irving/Claxton
Dallas gives Wood/THJ/DFS and gets Irving/Claxton/Jovic
That's an interesting idea. Does that money work without Jovic or is that the reason he's included? Just curious