my point is that what this team needs is to build itself around its young superstar.. the most valuable players on the team (Luka/Green/DFS) we could include Brunson here.. they have been drafted and with the exception of Luka with late picks...so what's the rush to move Hardy..? the guy looks exactly as promised...raw but a scoring machine,whether he ends up being Beal or Lou Williams that would be huge for us.. Not to Bojan, no matter how much I like it, much less at the expense of children or future teams... it's about getting a solid Headline that fits Luka's age.. (Turner/Anunoby/Ayton) I'm all for it, even if we have to pay more
(12-14-2022, 05:16 PM)Mikelorenzo Wrote: [ -> ]my point is that what this team needs is to build itself around its young superstar.. the most valuable players on the team (Luka/Green/DFS) we could include Brunson here.. they have been drafted and with the exception of Luka with late picks...so what's the rush to move Hardy..? the guy looks exactly as promised...raw but a scoring machine,whether he ends up being Beal or Lou Williams that would be huge for us.. Not to Bojan, no matter how much I like it, much less at the expense of children or future teams... it's about getting a solid Headline that fits Luka's age.. (Turner/Anunoby/Ayton) I'm all for it, even if we have to pay more
Yeah, I agree. Bojan Bodanovic, while helpful, isn't worth giving up major assets to acquire, at least not for this team. But, maybe they can find a deal for him that wouldn't hurt?
If the Hawks had balls they´d just trade Young. Gave up 50 in the first quarter to the Magic. -21 for Young.
Also noticed Bamba has picked it up a bit lately: 7.6 / 6.2 / 1.5 / 1.2 shooting 50/46/86 over his last 10.
I actually think he plays better, when he gets regular minutes. Problem is he probably develops back problems again, when he plays too much.
(12-14-2022, 08:17 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]If the Hawks had balls they´d just trade Young. Gave up 50 in the first quarter to the Magic. -21 for Young.
Also noticed Bamba has picked it up a bit lately: 7.6 / 6.2 / 1.5 / 1.2 shooting 50/46/86 over his last 10.
I actually think he plays better, when he gets regular minutes. Problem is he probably develops back problems again, when he plays too much.
Magic have so much big man talent. You'd think there would be some way to poach some of it cheaply
Does Josh have a real injury or are we about to do a terrible trade?
(12-15-2022, 12:12 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Does Josh have a real injury or are we about to do a terrible trade?
I wish I could laugh at this like it was a joke.
I cannot.
(12-15-2022, 12:12 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Does Josh have a real injury or are we about to do a terrible trade?
Jason Kidd already gave Josh the kiss of death with the "he's going to get paid" comment. Same thing he said about Brunson last year.
(12-15-2022, 12:29 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: [ -> ]Clown franchise
There are likeable clowns so I wouldn't insult them like that.
(12-14-2022, 11:41 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]Magic have so much big man talent. You'd think there would be some way to poach some of it cheaply
Look at Bol Bol. He's in the starting lineup and ballin his ass off. Saw a play where he grab the rebound, drove the length of the court, crossed over a defender and dunked on them. Denver gave up on him, and now Orlando is reaping the benefits. They're putting together a killer team. This is what the Mavs should be doing.
(12-15-2022, 06:07 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]From Cato's article below:
If the Mavericks are offered something that will make them better next season, or the one after that, in exchange for a rotation player now, it’s growing more unreasonable to think this team can’t consider it because of the implications it might cast upon this year.
It remains true that any team with Dončić will win more games than it loses. It’s certainly true that this season, under any circumstance, can’t be punted or deliberately sabotaged. That won’t happen, and it’s never been under consideration. But neither can the idea that the Mavericks must maximize this flawed roster at the expense of the future to win some more games in a season that won’t end in a championship. That middle ground isn’t an easy one to find, but it’s almost certainly the team’s best path forward this year.
Why the Mavericks must seriously examine the present with the future - The Athletic
It has to be considered. I will be surprised if the Mavs moved Bullock though. I would think most contenders would have an interest in him though. Good contract, fits winning teams and won't cost an arm and a leg to acquire.
The nets are a win now team. How about something surrounding Bullock for Cam Thomas. Throw in Sharpe and Curry. Maybe Mavs can throw in McGee. I would love to get a pick out of it, but that is probably not realistic.
You lose a key guy to your run last year but get a pure scorer who is young. Maybe that is too much. If you catch him on the right night, he looks like a guy who is going to be good eventually. Pretty limited outside of scoring at this stage. But I could certainly envision him scoring 17 points a game leading a bench unit in 2-3 years.
(12-15-2022, 07:48 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]It has to be considered. I will be surprised if the Mavs moved Bullock though.
I would try very hard to move Bullock and THJ for assets. Perhaps Lakers would be desperate enough to trade for THJ if competitors continue to put high prices on their shooters (Detroit). THJ would fit there, but Lakers always have eyes on highest targets.
Your Brooklyn example is good. They also have Harris that is way overpaid. Thomas is talented, but plays basically same position as Green and Hardy. What is your opinion on Sharpe? They have picks from Philly, not sure how willing they are to trade them. Bullock+McGee for Harris+Thomas or Sharpe+FRP would be a deal I would consider. Mavs would not be that much worse, but would have additional assets. Harris will be expiring contract in the summer.
(12-15-2022, 06:07 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]From Cato's article below:
If the Mavericks are offered something that will make them better next season, or the one after that, in exchange for a rotation player now, it’s growing more unreasonable to think this team can’t consider it because of the implications it might cast upon this year.
It remains true that any team with Dončić will win more games than it loses. It’s certainly true that this season, under any circumstance, can’t be punted or deliberately sabotaged. That won’t happen, and it’s never been under consideration. But neither can the idea that the Mavericks must maximize this flawed roster at the expense of the future to win some more games in a season that won’t end in a championship. That middle ground isn’t an easy one to find, but it’s almost certainly the team’s best path forward this year.
Why the Mavericks must seriously examine the present with the future - The Athletic
WRONG.
The middle ground is the worst place to be. Either f*ck it up completely by trading Green/Hardy/more future picks for aging starters like Bogdanovic or Turner to win the championship now (LOL) or burn it to the ground, tank and start over with Luka, Green and Hardy, your 2022 pick and a better cap structure.
You can´t tank is such a BS line. Luka misses 20 games with made up minor injuries, we are going at least 3-17, if not 0-20 with Hardy/Green playing 35 MPG.
We are 14-14 with Luka playing 37 MPG. Just playing Luka 27 MPG probably drops us into Lakers/Thunder 11-16 territory. Also Houston has as many road wins and home losses as the Mavs! Our schedule is home heavy.
This team can easily tank. Of course you cannot half-ass it, which is a Mark Cuban specialty.
It´s truly astonishing that after owning this team for 20 years, he still hasn´t figured out that Hardy and Green rapidly improving throughout the season (maybe 10-15 PPG toward the end of the year) and a high-end draft pick at the end (top 5) are a bigger drawing card for Luka to stay than some shitty veteran roster with a 1st round ceiling.
(12-15-2022, 08:57 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]WRONG.
The middle ground is the worst place to be. Either f*ck it up completely by trading Green/Hardy/more future picks for aging starters like Bogdanovic or Turner to win the championship now (LOL) or burn it to the ground, tank and start over with Luka, Green and Hardy, your 2022 pick and a better cap structure.
You can´t tank is such a BS line. Luka misses 20 games with made up minor injuries, we are going at least 3-17, if not 0-20 with Hardy/Green playing 35 MPG.
We are 14-14 with Luka playing 37 MPG. Just playing Luka 27 MPG probably drops us into Lakers/Thunder 11-16 territory. Also Houston has as many road wins and home losses as the Mavs! Our schedule is home heavy.
This team can easily tank. Of course you cannot half-ass it, which is a Mark Cuban specialty.
It´s truly astonishing that after owning this team for 20 years, he still hasn´t figured out that Hardy and Green rapidly improving throughout the season (maybe 10-15 PPG toward the end of the year) and a high-end draft pick at the end (top 5) are a bigger drawing card for Luka to stay than some shitty veteran roster with a 1st round ceiling.
Not sure how you can look at Lukas body language right now and think that losing more is what’s going to keep him around longer. You always talk about tanking as if these guys aren’t competitors. You think Luka was barking “let’s get Victor or Scoot” to Cuban when we walked by all pissed last night?
Whoever in the Mavs Front office who is calling teams to talk trades.....man, that must be a depressing job.
Hey, so and so, any interest in Javele? crickets. How about a Latvian Laser? Crickets?
(12-15-2022, 09:27 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure how you can look at Lukas body language right now and think that losing more is what’s going to keep him around longer. You always talk about tanking as if these guys aren’t competitors. You think Luka was barking “let’s get Victor or Scoot” to Cuban when we walked by all pissed last night?
I see Luka's defeated body language as a sign he knows this team can't compete and while he might not know the ins and outs of roster building and a salary cap, it is the perfect opportunity to sit him down and explain the best path forward is a reset.
Do I think that is something Cuban will embrace? Absolutely not.
(12-15-2022, 10:54 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I see Luka's defeated body language as a sign he knows this team can't compete and while he might not knows the ins and outs of roster building and a salary cap, it is the perfect opportunity to sit him down and explain the best path forward is a reset.
Do I think that is something Cuban will embrace? Absolutely not.
Luka is a very immature child out there still (and it’s becoming a huge problem honestly, you think free agents want to play with the guy who dribbles the ball for 20 seconds, doesn’t get back on defense and blames his teammates after?). This is his body language when his team is middle of the pack, you think he’s going to be cool with someone saying we need to totally bottom out right now? It’s just not in his DNA. If Luka gets a high ankle sprain or has to sit out a ton of games then sure, let’s sell off everything and start Hardy and Green the rest of the season but until this happens, the only path forward is trying to make some moves around the edges of this roster and make a big splashy move this offseason to find a costar that works. For better or worse.