(08-23-2021, 01:03 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I definitely think this is the most likely scenario.
I think the minority scenario is CHI waiting till the investigation is over. That makes a TON of sense to me, but I am assuming a lot about that process which ultimately I don't know or understand.
If that is the case, is that not an admission of guilt? Not that they are admitting to anything, but, if you didn't tamper, you don't have to worry about a decision coming down and can work business as usual. Also, WTF NBA? Can you figure this crap out already?
Put yourself in LM shoes.
1. There's no way I'm signing a 3/$36 deal with Dallas that fits into their TPE. I like Dallas but that's way less than what I think I'm worth going forward.
2. San Antonio and New Orleans are offering 3/$45. That's better but man I really dont want to live in either of those cities. If I'm going to either of those places, I want more money.
3. I'd much rather play for the qualifying offer and hit free agency again next summer. But I hate the Bulls organization and they have Vucevic and Patrick Williams. So it wont help my numbers going into free agency next year.
4. Calls up agent. Can you try to get me a 3/$45-48 contract and get me to the Mavericks?
5. The Bulls are asking for Kleber + DFS or Kleber + Josh Green + 1st round pick. No way Mavs are going to pay that much.
6. Shit...what do we do?
(08-23-2021, 03:00 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Put yourself in LM shoes.
1. There's no way I'm signing a 3/$36 deal with Dallas that fits into their TPE. I like Dallas but that's way less than what I think I'm worth going forward.
4. Calls up agent. Can you try to get me a 3/$45-48 contract and get me to the Mavericks?
6. Shit...what do we do?
If CHI is truly interested in him signing the QO, that's probably the outcome unless LM will sign for a number attractive enough to give up some value to CHI.
I'm not convinced the Mavs see value in him at 3/$45M or more. Other teams apparently do not.
EDITED --- The numbers work for a straight one-for-one swap of DP for LM
with starting salary of about 14.7M. EDIT - after looking closer at LM's salary last year, which is the smallest applicable match value he generates, it's big enough to cover DP salary in return, so if CHI will take DP in return, the Mavs would be free with such a swap to pay LM whatever number they found suitable (up to well beyond his value). They also might want to make it a declining salary, in light of other commitments.
(08-23-2021, 03:00 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Put yourself in LM shoes.
1. There's no way I'm signing a 3/$36 deal with Dallas that fits into their TPE. I like Dallas but that's way less than what I think I'm worth going forward.
2. San Antonio and New Orleans are offering 3/$45. That's better but man I really dont want to live in either of those cities. If I'm going to either of those places, I want more money.
3. I'd much rather play for the qualifying offer and hit free agency again next summer. But I hate the Bulls organization and they have Vucevic and Patrick Williams. So it wont help my numbers going into free agency next year.
4. Calls up agent. Can you try to get me a 3/$45-48 contract and get me to the Mavericks?
5. The Bulls are asking for Kleber + DFS or Kleber + Josh Green + 1st round pick. No way Mavs are going to pay that much.
6. Shit...what do we do?
I think you are mostly correct, but I would suggest #3 is a disaster scenario for LM. $9MM QO is under what the other teams you named are offering. Plus you were already pushed to the bench last season, why do you think it will be better next season? And, unless you are a 6th MOY candidate, it won't do much to get numbers to justify more money after next season. And summer 2022 isn't likely to be any better with free money. Best case is getting traded at the TDL, but then you have zero control over your destination. (EDIT - My mistake, CHI can't trade a 1 yr contract, so it ties up both parties for the season).
SAS is always a team that plays hard, even if they come up short on wins. NOP supposedly has an upward trend, but it's just one Zion injury from Tankersville.
It's a somewhat bitter pill for LM, but the reality is his timing sucks.
All that said, I subscribe the the October 1st theory when Moses Brown becomes tradeable and we could see some activity at that point. Unless something else starts a domino effect, like Dame getting traded, I don't think there is much in the way of deal making until the season gets closer.
(08-23-2021, 12:47 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BullsSource/status/1...3630494724
I've generally discounted the idea that the investigation would be a reason to hold up a Lauri trade, as I couldn't see the angle of why this deal would be a problem. But this does make sense. Chicago has already traded away so many future picks ('23 and '25 firsts and every second rounder through 2025) that there's not many left for the league to take away. Even if the return in a LM deal just a few second round picks, I can see why they'd let the league act first.
(08-23-2021, 03:00 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Put yourself in LM shoes.
1. There's no way I'm signing a 3/$36 deal with Dallas that fits into their TPE. I like Dallas but that's way less than what I think I'm worth going forward.
2. San Antonio and New Orleans are offering 3/$45. That's better but man I really dont want to live in either of those cities. If I'm going to either of those places, I want more money.
3. I'd much rather play for the qualifying offer and hit free agency again next summer. But I hate the Bulls organization and they have Vucevic and Patrick Williams. So it wont help my numbers going into free agency next year.
4. Calls up agent. Can you try to get me a 3/$45-48 contract and get me to the Mavericks?
5. The Bulls are asking for Kleber + DFS or Kleber + Josh Green + 1st round pick. No way Mavs are going to pay that much.
6. Shit...what do we do?
Cheap players like Aminu or Lamb seem near free
Take on a bad contract at the TDL/draft and gain an asset
Trade for a quality player like Nance jr or k anderson etc
Let’s not forget Fournier was bought for a TPE and two 2nds last deadline
(08-23-2021, 04:04 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not convinced the Mavs see value in him at 3/$45M or more. Other teams apparently do not.
Do we know what any team offered him? The only reports I've seen are that San Antonio thought he wanted too much money. (with no numbers attached)
(08-23-2021, 08:10 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Do we know what any team offered him? The only reports I've seen are that San Antonio thought he wanted too much money. (with no numbers attached)
Your post above said "San Antonio and New Orleans are offering 3/$45." If you want to ask yourself where that came from, feel free. (Personally I think that exceeds his current worth, and my point was that if he wants even more than that, I don't see value to be had.)
(08-23-2021, 12:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I remember not too long ago someone posting Lauri's agent was relatively new to all this. I believe Lauri is his only notable player. I think both of them are trying to cash in on a payday and may not care about recent horror stories of passing up money.
Still, if Lauri is trying to squeeze as hard as he can for a big contract then no matter what he isn't going to become a Maverick. He'll have to take the biggest paycut to get here, on top of sacrificing touches to KP and Luka.
Perhaps the whole "wanting to come to Dallas and play with Luka and KP" was just him and his agent trying to drive his price up.
I actually like that a lot. Dudley is a smart guy.
Now we know why Dudley was the only one defending JKidd after the recent stories about his Bucks tenure. LMAO
I'm frankly shocked he agreed to Igor being on the staff. This will add another ally on his side when the shit hits the fan. Something something leopards dont change their spots.
I give it an over/under of 1.5 seasons before we hear whispers of the players hating JKidd or Jkidd and the rest of the staff are having meetings and not telling Igor where the meetings are. This is not going to end well.
LeBron should hire someone to proofread his tweets.
(08-24-2021, 02:25 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]LeBron should hire someone to proofread his tweets.
Lebron tweets/posts on social media with the same energy as a middle aged soccer mom on her 3rd glass of wine.
#LeLive #LeLaugh #LeLove