(12-14-2021, 10:45 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]There are three players whom I think the Mavs have to get out from under their salary - KP, THJ, and Powell. But KP and THJ are part of the current core, for darn sure. I'm not in favor of keeping KP, but I think that THJ and Powell are actually the greater priorities. KP, if he has any value, is the player who has the most possibility of bringing back something of real value.
I don't see the point of trading Powell at this point. To get off his contract now would cost you something. Next year he is an expiring that can be used for salary matching. The good news with Powell is that I *think* Kidd has come to the realization that he needs to phase him out of the rotation or at the very least decrease his minutes severely. If we do enter rebuilt mode, Powell's salary doesn't hurt you next year anyway and you just set your sights for '23-34 season.
I'd be surprised and impressed if we traded THJ. It would point to Nico having influence over the team and getting rid of the "we love our boys in blue" mentality that gave us albatross contracts like Powell. If Detroit really likes THJ and Grant is available, we need to figure that out ASAP even if it costs us Brunson (to flip for another asset). Grant's one of the few players I've heard floated that I'd be okay with moving on for DFS for as Grant is a dog and DFS is our only dog.
Not saying it is not true, but it is funny how everyone is coming out with their side of the story of what they wanted done vs what actually happened.
The Mavs knew Doncic would need to be the primary ball handler to fulfill his immense potential, and they didn't believe Smith, who they had determined was a high-usage, ball-dominant guard with a suspect jumper, could complement him.
Carlisle, for his part, doubted Smith could be a productive NBA starter, team sources said. He had wanted the Mavs to draft guard
Donovan Mitchell, and had completely soured on Smith midway through his rookie campaign.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/3286...-mavericks
I find this piece very dissapointing. Basically nothing really new and I wonder why this appears half a year after RC was gone. If Tim would be a good journalist, this piece would appear half a year before RC left.
Kudos to Luka who refused to comment.
(12-15-2021, 09:26 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I find this piece very dissapointing. Basically nothing really new and I wonder why this appears half a year after RC was gone. If Tim would be a good journalist, this piece would appear half a year before RC left.
Kudos to Luka who refused to comment.
Never was and never will.
(12-15-2021, 08:57 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Not saying it is not true, but it is funny how everyone is coming out with their side of the story of what they wanted done vs what actually happened.
The Mavs knew Doncic would need to be the primary ball handler to fulfill his immense potential, and they didn't believe Smith, who they had determined was a high-usage, ball-dominant guard with a suspect jumper, could complement him.
Carlisle, for his part, doubted Smith could be a productive NBA starter, team sources said. He had wanted the Mavs to draft guard Donovan Mitchell, and had completely soured on Smith midway through his rookie campaign.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/3286...-mavericks
Pls have this as a new thread
(12-15-2021, 09:26 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I find this piece very dissapointing. Basically nothing really new and I wonder why this appears half a year after RC was gone. If Tim would be a good journalist, this piece would appear half a year before RC left.
Kudos to Luka who refused to comment.
Yeah, the Carlisle stuff was mostly rehashed stuff. I found the Dennis Smith stuff interesting though.
How could anyone have any trust on a Cuban led franchise now? Things seemed so dysfunctional for years there. For me, it starts and ends with Cuban. Whatever he has been doing since 2011 outside of one draft night has been pretty much a clown show.
https://twitter.com/Dennis1SmithJr/statu...1826226180
DSJ's response seems to affirm that MacMahon is in FACT a good journalist, even if we don't like what he publishes.
(12-15-2021, 10:49 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]How could anyone have any trust on a Cuban led franchise now? Things seemed so dysfunctional for years there. For me, it starts and ends with Cuban. Whatever he has been doing since 2011 outside of one draft night has been pretty much a clown show.
Pretty much.
I know it'll never happen, but I wish DSJ would tell all. I get trying to be a tough coach, but RC just seems like an egotistical ass who gets off deriding other people.
(12-15-2021, 11:48 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I know it'll never happen, but I wish DSJ would tell all. I get trying to be a tough coach, but RC just seems like an egotistical ass who gets off deriding other people.
There are so many possible views of this. But facts are also RC is a very respected coach around the league, who won a title and who obviously got more out of this roster than Kidd currently is. I am not sure those guys who were winning with him had much to say against him. He was basically spot on regarding DSJ as his future in the league showed. Its not that a huge talent was put in a doghouse, he just simply wasn't as good as he himself expected. Not saying RC is a perfect person, but at the end of the day he has something to show. I have a hard time believing he is a complete ass. I can understand that 13 years is a long time and people grow tired of each other.
I think you all saw what a personality and a hot head most successful European coach of all times is. I can assure you there are loads of players who would talk trash about him if you ask them. Players who didn't succeed with him or fullfill their expected potential. Or with any other coach for that matter.
Compilation of angry Balkan basketball coaches - YouTube
(12-15-2021, 12:39 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]There are so many possible views of this. But facts are also RC is a very respected coach around the league, who won a title and who obviously got more out of this roster than Kidd currently is. I am not sure those guys who were winning with him had much to say against him. He was basically spot on regarding DSJ as his future in the league showed. Its not that a huge talent was put in a doghouse, he just simply wasn't as good as he himself expected. Not saying RC is a perfect person, but at the end of the day he has something to show. I have a hard time believing he is a complete ass. I can understand that 13 years is a long time and people grow tired of each other.
I think Rick is a great coach, even after hearing about some of his relationship problems. But I also think he'd be better if wasn't a jerk to folks based on status.
You know, once upon a time in sports in the U.S. (well within my lifetime, for sure), no one would have had a problem with Rick being a jerk to players. Twenty years ago (or even less) It was "the way things are". Many of us could give you a long list of really great coaches in football, basektball, baseball, that were complete jerks to their players. And many players loved them!! As a player, you just put up with it, because you knew, that's just what coaches do.
I promise you that Rick was not more of a jerk to players than Jimmie Johnson!
We could probably brainstorm a list of 100 great coaches from back in the day who were more of a jerk than Rick.
(12-15-2021, 12:57 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I think Rick is a great coach, even after hearing about some of his relationship problems. But I also think he'd be better if wasn't a jerk to folks based on status.
You know, once upon a time in sports in the U.S. (well within my lifetime, for sure), no one would have had a problem with Rick being a jerk to players. Twenty years ago (or even less) It was "the way things are". Many of us could give you a long list of really great coaches in football, basektball, baseball, that were complete jerks to their players. And many players loved them!! As a player, you just put up with it, because you knew, that's just what coaches do.
I promise you that Rick was not more of a jerk to players than Jimmie Johnson!
We could probably brainstorm a list of 100 great coaches from back in the day who were more of a jerk than Rick.
I mean RC always got a younger coach with him who is closer to the players, who is more personality type. Also prefered having veteran presence too to act as mediator.
I think he acknowledged this shortcomings and had other "good cup" in his team to neutralize things.
Which reminds me of Tim Mcmahon previously saying RC was jelous of Mosley, whom we found weeks later that he gave him great recommendation to Orlando front office.
For me the article makes me feel like Killerlift initial POV about RC being right, he was simply brilliant coach who takes no bs, for better or worse.
PS: The one detail I really want to know, is who pushed for KP trade. Cuban? Donnie? Rick?
That is more interesting to me than some tabloid news like : RC can get angry
Couple of things here.
It is not unusual for leaders to isolate from those they are leading. So nobody should expect Carlisle (or Kidd) to be buddies with the players. Unfortunately, it sometimes allows for treatment that is not very sensitive to the player's needs or feelings.
Listening to an NBA show yesterday and they were talking about how some coaches feel like there is an expiration date on their effectiveness with a particular team. After a long enough tenure, then they lose the attention of the locker room and their ability to motivate. Said that was one reason Larry Brown kept moving. Thought Tom Thibodeaux was that way.
Wonder if Carlisle reached his "sell by" date.
I think the reason Kidd is a coach here is that he is expected to have good relationships with his players. I'm not sure how successful you can be by isolating yourself as a leader on a young team. After reading the story, I'm kind of bummed we didn't give Mosley an earnest shot.
(12-14-2021, 06:52 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]and he just decides to go AWOL at times and he talks poorly about teammates in the media and he seems completely crazy
Would also be endless competition over whether he or Mark Cuban was the smartest guy in the room.
(12-15-2021, 12:39 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]There are so many possible views of this. But facts are also RC is a very respected coach around the league, who won a title and who obviously got more out of this roster than Kidd currently is. I am not sure those guys who were winning with him had much to say against him. He was basically spot on regarding DSJ as his future in the league showed. Its not that a huge talent was put in a doghouse, he just simply wasn't as good as he himself expected. Not saying RC is a perfect person, but at the end of the day he has something to show. I have a hard time believing he is a complete ass. I can understand that 13 years is a long time and people grow tired of each other.
I think you all saw what a personality and a hot head most successful European coach of all times is. I can assure you there are loads of players who would talk trash about him if you ask them. Players who didn't succeed with him or fullfill their expected potential. Or with any other coach for that matter.
Compilation of angry Balkan basketball coaches - YouTube
That journalist behind the DSJ article, should move to Balkans. He would have a lot to report, he would not have enough time to write all the articles. But everyone would laugh at it.
This is the culture where Luka is from, so heated moment like this, should not be over misinterpreted. This is important to remember. Its part of being competitive. The chance is very high that once it settled, after the games, Luka was not critical of RC.
Similarly, RC is from the old school of NBA where things like these also occured behind scenes, in training practices, and sometimes also during games there were regular fights and hard fouls and things said. The guy is like Luka super competitive himself. A lot of that stuff was also visible in the Jordan documentary the things that were going on, much of that is unsaid and not published, and that was only the tip of the iceberg. It's just the way it is in sports.
(12-15-2021, 03:56 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]This is the culture where Luka is from, so heated moment like this, should not be over misinterpreted.
So where Luka is from it is expected that coaches are jerks. So it's like it was here 10 to 20 years ago.
OK, so if this is true, then why did Luka dislike Rick?
(12-15-2021, 03:58 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]So where Luka is from it is expected that coaches are jerks. So it's like it was here 10 to 20 years ago.
OK, so if this is true, then why did Luka dislike Rick?
I am not sure they are jerks, they are just competitive and want to win. Where is the actual evidence that Luka disliked Rick? I think Luka respects RC for being competitive. I have not seen otherwise in the statements from Luka. All the rest is pure speculations and based on some heated moment in games that is taken out of context.
Competitive winning players and coaches do have troubles keeping down their emotions. Usually the ones with winning mentality have more of the emotions for the game and outcome far stronger, and what effects them more. Its actually that part that in parts make them winners. That's, at least in parts likely a strong reason, why RC won, and why Luka won as well before in his career.
Also, what is wrong getting players out that are not good. If Mejri cant deliver, out with him. He shouldn't stay because he is Lukas friend and a good person. Its not like we should invite all Lukas friends from school over and sign them. Same with DSJ. Cant play, out with him. We are not here at a high school party, neither are we here to assemble a team of the best human beings in the world that will one day win a noble prize. Its about assembling the best talent level, most competitive ones, that fits playing well together. Some could consider that as jerks, but I think its misunderstood.
Through 27 games last year the Mavs were 13-14; this year they are one game better.
Through 27 games in 2020-21: Mavs offense ranked 10th while the defense ranked 25th, with a net rating of -1.5
- Luka only missed one game, Porzingis missed 11.
This year through 27 games: offense ranked 17th while the defense is ranked 15th, with a net rating of 0.
- Luka missed 6 games, Porzingis missed 7.
Maybe not sexy but I am liking what Kidd is doing this year, starting the foundation of a strong defensive team. If only we could make a couple more wide open shots per game. Once that happens, look out!
(12-15-2021, 11:48 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty much.
I know it'll never happen, but I wish DSJ would tell all. I get trying to be a tough coach, but RC just seems like an egotistical ass who gets off deriding other people.
Nail on the head about RC. Even though he had success in Detroit, that's the reason he was fired. The late Bill Davidson fired him because of how rude and condescending he was to the staffers and other people in the organization. He went to the Pacers after that, but I haven't heard why he left the first time, but he's back now. He mentored under Chuck Daly who was a players coach. Rick doesn't seem to have any of those traits.
(12-15-2021, 04:10 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]All the rest is pure speculations and based on some heated moment in games that is taken out of context.
Not gonna do the research because I'm supposed to be working, but I'm pretty sure that these reports have been leaking out for quite a while, and the reporters usually say they have a source. There is a lot of bad journalism these days, but for most of the folks that cover the Mavs, if they say they have a source, I'd believe them.