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(07-26-2021, 02:39 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1419...66150?s=20

Great news.  KP deserves some personal time but I was a little worried what type of workouts he has been doing.   Last night, I re-watched his Knicks highlights.   Personally, I am against him focusing on bulking up.    I would love to see him go the Nash route and really work on his core.    He is never going to outbulk people.   He needs to beat people with length, skill and quickness.   He had quickness with the Knicks.   Hopefully he can get some of it back.   I would prefer a quicker KP paired with a more physical player (PF or C).  It is a tricky fit though and one that is hard to find if you are looking for a PF type.

(07-26-2021, 02:47 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't hear the interview, but it just keeps getting weirder.  Chaos he caused?   The more they are secret about this the bigger story it will be.

Maybe Bob did some good things and proved valuable to the Mavs.  Maybe it was just a internal power struggle.  Those things happen in teams.    If it is not Bob, it is probably going to be someone else in the future trying to get Cuban's ear.   Front offices are filled with alphas and people thing they have all the answers. 

Why not just address it and get it over with?   Say Bob did some good things but Nico has full say in how he wants to build the organization or Bob is no longer with the organization and we thank him for his services.  Or just something.   With what they have said so far, I would be asking about Bob with every Mav interview.   Now we have the current GM saying Bob created all that chaos.   Just really weird.

I worked at an organization where our top dog asked my opinion on a piece of technology in the department that I headed.  He didn't like the price tag on the tech and fought me on it, and I held my ground, because I was right.  He went to some conference and ran across some salesman in the trade booth that told him they could do it for less than half of what I told him.  He had the guy come by the office and kind of had this showdown type of thing in our facility where he presented the proposal. 

The boss looked at me, and I looked at the salesmen and said "So that's the ________ model, right?" 
He said "yes" and I said "what about **this issue** won't you need to go to the ________ model instead to handle that?" 
He looked around and said "Yes, well, uh...yes..."  So I said "Then you'll need to use ***piece of tech*** for the control interface, right?"  He said "Yes, you would."  To which I replied "So how much will that cost?" 
And he quoted a number that was within about 5 grand of what I said (total project was going to be 250k+, so it was pretty much exactly what I had told my boss it would be.  We didn't get it, because my boss didn't want to spend 250k, but he was great when it was 90k, which was total fantasy.)

I started looking for another job, because there was no lasting there, and I was gone in a year.

Moral of the story:  If the boss doesn't like your answers, then you aren't going to be there very long, even if you are right.  And if he starts trying to find someone to counter what your good faith expertise tells him, then it just doesn't even matter if you know what you are doing or not.  I wouldn't be surprised if this is where Mark got with Donnie and then he brought in Haralabob, and here Donnie is gone.

Moving forward:  If Mark wants to keep Nico and this is going to work, then Mark needs to trust Nico and let Nico hire the people that he wants around him to make decisions.  That's the job.  If Mark decides to go hire the latest whatever to take over, it's going to be a problem internally and this structure won't stay in place very long after that crap starts.  If you can't trust someone to do the job, then you need to not hire them.

(07-26-2021, 02:47 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ] Now we have the current GM saying Bob created all that chaos. 

Well...that part seems to be honest

(07-24-2021, 06:01 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]A sign-and-trade sure feels like the most desirable path if Dallas wants to pursue Collins.

But in an over-cap deal, the salary match would be complicated, because Collins in a sign-and-trade would be a "base year" player, ie the Hawks would only get 50% of his salary counted for matching purposes (whereas for Dallas, it would count 100%). It's not nearly as easy as "match a max salary and call it a day."

While it can be solved by adding more salary in a 2-way deal (at least another ~10.5M outgoing by the Hawks), or finding a 3rd team to take some outgoing salary from the Mavs, neither of those options are all that easy, because you end up with added issues of trying to stay within the limits of what each team really wants to give up, while also dealing with appropriate compensation for all teams involved.

The only alternatives force the Mavs to clear cap space, and shoot for Collins via the RFA waiting game, or getting ATL to take some limited compensation in a cap-room sign-and-trade that might include some salary going to ATL, but not more than 17.5M.

For my own benefit (bc I am dumb) could you like give me a sample trade just for illustration that would be cap legal and allow Mavs to stay OTC?

(07-26-2021, 03:55 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]For my own benefit (bc I am dumb) could you like give me a sample trade just for illustration that would be cap legal and allow Mavs to stay OTC?

F Gump can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe one example would be Kleber/JRich/Powell for Collins/LouWill where Collins gets the max and Williams signs for about $11mm in the first year (it would have to be a 3-year deal but only one has to be guaranteed). Basically, you have to scale up the total salary on both sides so that the 50% BYC discount for trade matching gets lost in the normal 125% flexibility.

Nico Harrison interview from today

https://post.futurimedia.com/ktck/playli...-1490.html

(07-26-2021, 01:49 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Bad in what way?

The new head of basketball operations has no idea whether the guy that had Cuban's ear in making personnel decisions for the last couple of years is still employed by the organization.

He then proceeds to make a joke (supposedly) about how much chaos that guy has already caused.

So much for "now we'll have a clear organizational structure with Nico on top."

(07-26-2021, 04:42 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]F Gump can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe one example would be Kleber/JRich/Powell for Collins/LouWill where Collins gets the max and Williams signs for about $11mm in the first year (it would have to be a 3-year deal but only one has to be guaranteed). Basically, you have to scale up the total salary on both sides so that the 50% BYC discount for trade matching gets lost in the normal 125% flexibility.

I don't know if I have seen 2 S&T's from one team in the same trade.

To me couldn't you have Gallo + Collins outgoing, Mavs have multiple pieces outgoing and then another team or two involved in mix?

(07-26-2021, 05:02 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Nico Harrison interview from today

https://post.futurimedia.com/ktck/playli...-1490.html

Thanks.

I listened to the BV part, and personally I think people are over-reacting (On the internet? Go figure). He very clearly can't or won't comment on BV's employment status, and the hosts eventually pick up on the fact that he CAN comment on the fact that BV is completely out of the loop on their current analytics team and they are currently proceeding without him. Honestly, it's the type of answer I might expect about a current/former employee who has some sort of pending legal situation that requires a blanket "no comment". 

Harrison is a pretty smooth talker and just doesn't take the bait. That doesn't make him clueless or a Cuban patsy like some people are trying to read into it. IMHO, he simply has a typical corporate way of dodging questions that I've heard all the time but apparently others haven't. You don't get to his position at NIKE without being well-versed in company-speak.

OK. Just listened. I always have to remember that I can't take y'alls word for what interviews feel like. :-) 

Nico wasn't going to talk about Bob, for whatever reason. And the "Bob questions" part of the interview took on an odd, choppy feel for two reasons. First, the Hang Zone stayed with the topic for a good while, and they had long pauses in between questions because they let Norm and Bob S. into the room, and second, all four of them had to get in a Bob V. question! The Ticket guys made the interview feel odd for a bit because they wanted to see if they could squeeze something about Bob out of Nico. 

I didn't take anything "bad" away from that interview at all.

(07-26-2021, 05:21 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know if I have seen 2 S&T's from one team in the same trade.

To my knowledge, there's nothing in the rules that prevent it. I was just going the simple route with a contract that you can easily set to exactly the number you need, as it's a balancing act to get right. But you can construct something similar with other contracts as well.

This was really a weird interview, sort of.

- on the Haralabob situation the only rational explanation to Nico avoiding the question is, that Cuban forbid everyone to comment anything regarding his employment status. He did say that he doesn't work with him
- he used same line as Donnie - we like very much what we have. If a great opportunity appears we will make a trade otherwise we are fine

I understand he can't say much, but I would expect a bit more salesmanship from him. Like, Dallas is a great city, we have best player in the world and everyone should see what a dynasty we will be. We are best opportunity for everyone...

(07-24-2021, 06:01 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]A sign-and-trade sure feels like the most desirable path if Dallas wants to pursue Collins.

But in an over-cap deal, the salary match would be complicated, because Collins in a sign-and-trade would be a "base year" player, ie the Hawks would only get 50% of his salary counted for matching purposes (whereas for Dallas, it would count 100%). It's not nearly as easy as "match a max salary and call it a day."

While it can be solved by adding more salary in a 2-way deal (at least another ~10.5M outgoing by the Hawks), or finding a 3rd team to take some outgoing salary from the Mavs, neither of those options are all that easy, because you end up with added issues of trying to stay within the limits of what each team really wants to give up, while also dealing with appropriate compensation for all teams involved.

The only alternatives force the Mavs to clear cap space, and shoot for Collins via the RFA waiting game, or getting ATL to take some limited compensation in a cap-room sign-and-trade that might include some salary going to ATL, but not more than 17.5M.

Interesting...glad we have some cap experts on the board! I'm working on educating myself more on these types of rules/requirements I spent too much time staring at my screen to just not post this so here is where I ended up. The more I look at this, I see why F Gump said that this isn't very easy...especially because in the end, Dallas will have to provide compensation if there is a 3rd team involved. I'm just starting to really dive into the cap rules behind trades, and from what I can tell it looks like the biggest issue here is the requirement to add additional outgoing salary froIm the Hawks. Looking at players under contract for Atlanta, I don't see a realistic path to having them send out the additional 10.5M they need. That means, Atlanta would have to S&T another one of their players in order to have their outgoing salary line up.

So let's assume Dallas is looking to stay over-the-cap in order to retain THJ and the full MLE. Dallas would have an incoming salary for Collins at $28M while Atlanta would only have an outgoing salary of $14M.

If Dallas "knows" before FA that they can work a deal with Atlanta for Collins, would it be beneficial to have JRich ($11.6mil) pick up his option, and pick up the TO on WCS ($4.1mil) in order to add them to Maxi ($8.7mil) as part of a S&T?
At this point, Dallas would have an outgoing salary of $24.4M and incoming of $28M. Atlanta would have an incoming of $24.4M, but only an outgoing of $14M.

In order for Atlanta to have an incoming salary of $24.4M, they have to send out at least $19.5M. BYC only applies to players "...if a team re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction, the player's new salary is greater than the minimum, he receives a raise greater than 20%, and the team is at or above the cap immediately after the signing, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater." So, does this not apply to Lou Will or Snell if their deals are not 20% greater than what they made last season? If that's the case, then either player could be signed to a deal worth no less than $5.5 million in the first (guaranteed) season in order for Atlanta to meet the minimum $19.5M outgoing salary needed to match the $24.4M incoming. Whoever they sign for $5.5M could be sent to a third team with cap space (OKC) or TPE (Boston? Orlando?). If LouWill and/or Snell are not exempt from BYC on a deal worth 5.5M, then I'm running low on ideas here... maybe there is a place for Burke ($3.1mil) somewhere here if a third team is needed?


I'm tired now and will have to come back and revisit later/make revisions if my understanding of BYC and salary restrictions were wrong...but it doesn't sound as easy as it once did to acquire Collins via S&T

(07-26-2021, 05:41 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]we like very much what we have. 

What. The. Eff.

Does he think Luka and garbage are enough?

(07-26-2021, 05:54 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]What. The. Eff.

Does he think Luka and garbage are enough?

C’mon, man. Garbage? Really? I thought we were fans of the team rather than just one guy.

(07-26-2021, 06:06 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]C’mon, man. Garbage? Really? I thought we were fans of the team rather than just one guy.

Because I'm a Mavs fan, I hope every one of last year's rotation players other than Luka and DFS (and perhaps WCS) is gone before we go to war in November.

Edit: To elaborate, I'm talking about seven players in particular: 
KP - Doesn't fit with Luka, might be unplayable if the defense doesn't get fixed, an injury apocalypse waiting to happen. Trade the man.
THJ - Cannot start on a Luka-led team because of his defensive deficiencies (loved his effort toward the end of the year, but still not good enough); retaining him at market value will gum up our ability to improve.
Powell - Great effort, actually better all-around now than he was before the injury (in all seriousness!) imho, but doesn't have the verticality he used to. Would be great to get out from under his contract.
Burke and JRich - Do you have to ask?
Brunson - Was exposed dreadfully in the Clippers series, can't start next to Luka in a playoff-competitive situation, need to get something of value out of him before he's due for extension.
Maxi - OK, here's the guy who's up for debate. In spite of his Covid-driven down year, from which he might be expected to bounce back, he's probably our most valuable trade chip (given the neutrality of KP) outside of Brunson (and DFS, whom I don't want to lose), so he's probably gone just from the good-faith effort to replace the other six.

(07-26-2021, 06:10 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Because I'm a Mavs fan, I hope every one of last year's rotation players other than Luka and DFS (and perhaps WCS) is gone before we go to war in November.

Edit: To elaborate, I'm talking about seven players in particular: 
KP - Doesn't fit with Luka, might be unplayable if the defense doesn't get fixed, an injury apocalypse waiting to happen. Trade the man.
THJ - Cannot start on a Luka-led team because of his defensive deficiencies (loved his effort toward the end of the year, but still not good enough); retaining him at market value will gum up our ability to improve.
Powell - Great effort, actually better all-around now than he was before the injury (in all seriousness!) imho, but doesn't have the verticality he used to. Would be great to get out from under his contract.
Burke and JRich - Do you have to ask?
Brunson - Was exposed dreadfully in the Clippers series, can't start next to Luka in a playoff-competitive situation, need to get something of value out of him before he's due for extension.
Maxi - OK, here's the guy who's up for debate. In spite of his Covid-driven down year, from which he might be expected to bounce back, he's probably our most valuable trade chip (given the neutrality of KP) outside of Brunson (and DFS, whom I don't want to lose), so he's probably gone just from the good-faith effort to replace the other six.

While I agree with most of this, that group is not garbage.  KP and THJ are quality starters (and KP might be more) and Powell, Brunson and Maxi are all quality rotational pieces.  I would value that group at roughly 60 mil in value (AAV) and they currently cost around 70 mil.  That is not terrible and the reality is we will likely be overpaying free agents as an alternative.  The biggest issue with most of these guys is fit, so the goal is to get better fitting pieces.

As for Maxi, I think he got miscast a bit as a starting 4, and is much better as a backup stretch 5 who can also play the 4.  I think he is more important to us than we will be able to get in trade, so he probably makes more sense staying.  I understand it was suggested that we offered him to Atlanta for Collins, and the prevailing thought is that he would be a good fit with Capella, but honestly I think he would be an even better fit with Collins.

(07-26-2021, 05:35 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks.

 Honestly, it's the type of answer I might expect about a current/former employee who has some sort of pending legal situation that requires a blanket "no comment".

Even without listening to it, that´s where I landed. Maybe regardless of Nelson/Carlisle, some sh*t went down that they are now in a legal dispute. Let´s not forget the whole crypto bust, maybe it´s not even basketball related. Maybe Cuban got Crystal Taylored by Bob. 

If you can't get to the 2nd round with Luka on your team, your team is garbage, period. Just look at what he's doing with Slovenia right now.