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(08-10-2021, 04:29 AM)RedFlag41 Wrote: [ -> ]How about a Sign and Trade for Dennis Shroeder with Dwight Powell, Jj Redick and/or maybe Brunson/Burke as outgoing?

The Lakers may want another center and a shooter in their line up.

Schroeder is a difficult case. As a player i think he would fit nicely as a playmaker with some defense (not the best shooter).

Contract-wise he'll probably search for a shorter deal to prove himself and hunt for a bigger deal next year, however this is not possible in a sign-and-trade scenario (3 years minimum). Unless someone offers around $15+m/y which i don't see happening, at least not from the Mavs. 

As a person, he seems to be difficult to integrate. Opting out of an $80+m extension, only to find out he overplayed his deck and he can not gather any interest leaguewide for any significant money must be extremely frustrating and with his character, it might not humble but rather discourage him. Also the need to prove himself might not be compatible with the team-first, defense-first, backup playmaking role the Mavs are ideally looking for next to Luka. Not sure he has a really good personal connection to Dirk or Maxi as well.

I agree with Halfnir. Scroeder reminds me of the old saying, that stupitidy is not doing something stupid, but repeating that and expecting a different result. After overpricing himself for about 50%, he has just withdrawn into his (imaginary) hurted ego and is, as it looks like, insisting on his unrealistic price. Or I could be wrong. But, having a player/collegue who constantly thinks he is worth at least half more than he is being paid, is definitely not a balsam for the locker room atmosphere and team integrity in general. On the light side, if Mavs trade for him, they better hire at the same time a whole therapeuthic/pychiatrist new team for him alone

Well, aside from resolving the need for another playmaker, thravs can use Schroder as an asset if things do not work out with him. He is still a talented player and can be used to get other good players in the future. Trading for him using Powell, Reddick, Burke, WCs for me is a way of improving thr assets the Mavs have. Acquiring more talented players is one way do that.

So question...are we able to resign Reddick if we wanted to?   Can we sign and trade him?   Or is he going to also wind up with the Nets for the minimum?

(08-10-2021, 06:38 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ] Or is he going to also wind up with the Nets for the minimum?

I mean...it seems like he's still looking for an option that he likes, because a minimum deal probably would've happened already, right? 

If what he's looking for is someone (from his list of teams, probs) to give him more than the minimum, then maybe they could sign and trade him. Who knows.

(08-10-2021, 06:38 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]So question...are we able to resign Reddick if we wanted to? 

The feeling has to be mutual. I think we have his bird rights so we can sign him to whatever we want. Or is it just early bird? Too lazy to check, but basically no difference in his case, I doubt we would be thinking about contracts of more than 10 mil

(08-10-2021, 06:38 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Can we sign and trade him?

Yes, if he agrees to be SnT

(08-10-2021, 06:38 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Or is he going to also wind up with the Nets for the minimum?

If he wants, he can. But Nets can offer him minimum, Dallas could offer him more.

Well, I agree, after reading the above info, that market for prime pgs is slim to nonexistent. But what about, if we cannot land first tier pg, to hire second or third tier pg talent and try to build him up? Slim hope, but better to have two back up pgs than one. Or not? Just asking.

I really think that hiring over 30 years old non-pgs and new coach assistants and front office stuff and so on will not help Luka, when he will be in his last breaths in the fourth quarter. This is sorrowfully a way a lot of talents were lost or burnt out. NBA can be cruel, one minute you are a hero, next one a zero, just think abou Smith junior career, Ben Simmons or Fultz... Luka is basically a pro since 15 years old, so his body already absorbed over seven years of wear and tear of a very athletic and sometimes almost brutal sport. Do not get me wrong, but I wrote my opinions only as I am not sure how much more can Luka take without a serious consequence, which could (maybe) be avoided.

BE PREPARED!

(08-10-2021, 12:28 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Basketball chemistry is a fickle thing and is invaluable when you got it. A team with superb basketball chemistry allows them to overcome differences in talent. Boban provides a lot of basketball chemistry, and I'm willing to pay for that. Especially seeing him how he interacts with Luka.

SO MUCH this. We should value the "intangibles" more especially for end of bench guys. JJB taught us that lesson last season, let's not easily forget.

(08-10-2021, 07:36 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]SO MUCH this. We should value the "intangibles" more especially for end of bench guys. JJB taught us that lesson last season, let's not easily forget

Ok, but to play Devil's advocate: if JJB's absence contributed to the problems of last season, then isn't it fair to say that Boban's presence didn't really help that much?

All bits aside, I don't mind the overpay so much (if the deal really is tradable - I'm not sure about that, but it's not long). I just don't want to have to watch him play, that's all.

(08-10-2021, 07:50 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]if JJB's absence contributed to the problems of last season, then isn't it fair to say that Boban's presence didn't really help that much?

Or the problems were so bad the Mavs needed BOTH JJB and Boban. I think it can both be true that the Mavs missed JJB massively AND Boban helped save the lockerroom last season.

(08-10-2021, 07:54 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Or the problems were so bad the Mavs needed BOTH JJB and Boban. I think it can both be true that the Mavs missed JJB massively AND Boban helped save the lockerroom last season.

Yeah, your take is clear. I've seen you suggest it several times, and it's certainly plausible. I'm just not sure we should accept it as cannon. 

It's VERY clear that Luka and Boban are friends, but I think the idea that Boban is somehow holding the locker room together is speculative, especially since the locker room didn't seem very held together. 

The financial commitments are SIGNIFICANTLY different, so this isn't a perfect comparison, but this reminds me somewhat of the Cavaliers, Lebron and Thompson. I keep reading the perception that this will somehow help to keep Luka engaged in the Mavs organization, but I'm not sure that's the type of thinking I believe will be successful, personally. 

It's a relatively small commitment - I don't mean to overstate it. I just wonder what else could be accomplished with that amount of money.

(08-10-2021, 08:00 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I just wonder what else could be accomplished with that amount of money.

I mean, he was signed with Bird Rights, so nothing. This deal hurts literally no one except Mark Cuban, and I really do not care about how much money he has to spend to make Luka happy.

(08-10-2021, 08:04 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, he was signed with Bird Rights, so nothing. This deal hurts literally no one except Mark Cuban, and I really do not care about how much money he has to spend to make Luka happy.

Ok, that puts a different light on it, for sure. So we have definitively confirmed that this was not the BAE, and that it is still earmarked for Sterling Brown?

(08-10-2021, 08:00 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I think the idea that Boban is somehow holding the locker room together is speculative

For sure. Speculation, absolutely. But I think it makes good sense with what we do know. But absolutely, none of us knows exactly what went on last year.

(08-10-2021, 08:06 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]So we have definitively confirmed that this was not the BAE, and that it is still earmarked for Sterling Brown?

Correct.

https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1425086042768556038

The replies are not kind.

(08-10-2021, 08:06 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, that puts a different light on it, for sure. So we have definitively confirmed that this was not the BAE, and that it is still earmarked for Sterling Brown?

There can be no doubt now.  Not just the Boban contract, but the THJ contract is 5 mil higher than it needed to be in the first year, which eats up any possible cap space they might have had left.  They actually have a little money left over in the BAE to get a backup point, but they would have to dump somebody before season starts.

That basically means, Luka will have only Brunson as a back up. not a very upliifting future for the team...

(08-10-2021, 08:04 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, he was signed with Bird Rights, so nothing. This deal hurts literally no one except Mark Cuban, and I really do not care about how much money he has to spend to make Luka happy.

I don’t see Boban as a deal to make Luka happy.

I think as fans we don’t understand what players are worth to a team. We see Boban as an end of the bench also-ran, or some sort of locker room vet player-coach. But I think MGMT sees him differently.

To MGMT he’s a mismatch and an automatic bucket. I’ve called him a gimmick which is unfair but only bc he’s SUCH a unique player. 7’6 is a supply/demand issue. And when he plays, he’s productive. He just can’t play big minutes. So he’s sort of this specialty tool we keep on our tool belt. 

Maybe there’s not a lot of interest from other teams but go and nickel and dime every player who comes through your franchise and players will take notice.