(10-28-2021, 01:21 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I am amazed at the people who, when the question arises as to why so many came to the the opening Mavs game "dressed as empty seats" (as Dandy Don used to say), are going nuts over the opinion that the mask mandate at Mavs games has an adverse impact on attendance. Venomous personal attacks, even, for simply offering the idea? Creating straw men out of my words to be able to attack me for things I never said? Taking the time to create a user name just for such attacks? Such silliness. Too funny.
Actions have consequences, and I've merely suggested that's probably what we're seeing. If you don't realize that people do what they enjoy doing, or don't understand that altering the experience being offered can impact Mavs attendance, maybe you should.
I think what we're seeing with the empty seats is, in some places in America, there's still a pandemic. Rather than being worried about complying with reasonable anti-Covid attempts, they have other reasons, like, perhaps, social distancing by staying at home. Perhaps people are not anti-mask but anti-catching-Covid. There's probably individual reasons for not buying seats at Mavs games. To each their own.
(10-28-2021, 04:18 AM)david75090 Wrote: [ -> ]I think what we're seeing with the empty seats is, in some places in America, there's still a pandemic. Rather than being worried about complying with reasonable anti-Covid attempts, they have other reasons, like, perhaps, social distancing by staying at home. Perhaps people are not anti-mask but anti-catching-Covid. There's probably individual reasons for not buying seats at Mavs games. To each their own.
The Spurs are one of few franchises that haven't instituted any sort vaccine requirements to enter the building, and they had a sold out crowd opening night. They don't even enforce masks.
Vaccines work. Anyone is entitled to either get it or don't. The only pandemic we have are the people hell bent on continuing it because they're afraid to go back to normal life.
The arena was not empty. It was a few hundred seats from being full. The house was packed, despite the mask requirements. So it appears that the lesson is that the mask requirement is not affecting attendance in any significant way.
(10-28-2021, 12:21 AM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]Can you tell me how you know KP moped last year like everyone on this board claims?
Who in the front office/coaching staff/players publicly outed KP as acting like a cry baby?
I see so many people on here claim shit that they cant know unless they are in the Mavs Organization. THey spit this stuff as fact all around this board.
If people here work within the Mavs Org...why is it such a secret?
KP seems to handle himself very well in interviews. I see way more bitching and passive aggressive behavior from other athletes in interviews and no one calls them babies. I dont get it.
Didn't it come out that he asked for a trade before Rick left? There seems to be a lot of focus on making KP happy and what a good attitude he has this year. The eye test says he looked disinterested a lot of the time last year. But maybe he wasn't moping. Maybe his slow recovery from injury turned him into a shitastic defender for the entire season last year. Either way the point still stands. We have gotten one half a season of good play from him. So far this season in an early sample, he looks much better on defense but terrible on offense. And not just because of small sample shooting, the things he is trying to do in the paint look awkward and inefficient.
I will be curious to see if this coaching staff realizes that his best value to us offensively is as a floor spacer, with occasional cutting and ideally some P&R when there is not someone clogging the lane. If we get to that point, I will be curious to see if KPs defensive intensity remains, or fades like it did last year.
(10-28-2021, 06:33 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The Spurs are one of few franchises that haven't instituted any sort vaccine requirements to enter the building, and they had a sold out crowd opening night. They don't even enforce masks.
Vaccines work. Anyone is entitled to either get it or don't. The only pandemic we have are the people hell bent on continuing it because they're afraid to go back to normal life.
You got that backwards. I see only one logical explanation for voluntarily attending a Spurs game in person in 2021: You have lost your will to live and are actively trying to die.
(10-28-2021, 09:32 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]The arena was not empty. It was a few hundred seats from being full. The house was packed, despite the mask requirements. So it appears that the lesson is that the mask requirement is not affecting attendance in any significant way.
The only reason I started this topic is because pre-pandemic the Mavs were known for having sold out crowds almost every home game. It was never a question about filling seats (though during the tanking years it did get a little more empty which is understandable).
The only reason why we're even talking about this is because pre-pandemic the Mavs almost always had a sold out crowd every home game. I've become accustomed to seeing a packed AAC when I watched the Mavs. That home opener wasn't even close to being packed. It was jarring. I can't remember a home opener that wasn't packed. And we currently have one of the most exciting players in the league to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgQCwLvfIvA&ab_channel=PandaHank41
Fast forward to 1 minute in and look at all the empty seats halfway in the first. At 5:07 we can see a better view of at least half the stadium, and while blurry again there are so many empty seats.
Any way you slice it the attendance on Tuesday was a letdown compared to past seasons and demonstrably so. There are definitely a lot of valid explanations to this like Dallas becoming priced out from being able to watch the Mavs on cable, or we have largely the same roster as 3 years ago so it perhaps fan engagement is down, but I find it interesting that not even 1 home game in and Cubes is walking back the vaccination/negative test mandate for home games.
(10-28-2021, 11:26 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The only reason I started this topic is because pre-pandemic the Mavs were known for having sold out crowds almost every home game. It was never a question about filling seats (though during the tanking years it did get a little more empty which is understandable).
The only reason why we're even talking about this is because pre-pandemic the Mavs almost always had a sold out crowd every home game. I've become accustomed to seeing a packed AAC when I watched the Mavs. That home opener wasn't even close to being packed. It was jarring. I can't remember a home opener that wasn't packed. And we currently have one of the most exciting players in the league to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgQCwLvfIvA&ab_channel=PandaHank41
Fast forward to 1 minute in and look at all the empty seats halfway in the first. At 5:07 we can see a better view of at least half the stadium, and while blurry again there are so many empty seats.
Any way you slice it the attendance on Tuesday was a letdown compared to past seasons and demonstrably so. There are definitely a lot of valid explanations to this like Dallas becoming priced out from being able to watch the Mavs on cable, or we have largely the same roster as 3 years ago so it perhaps fan engagement is down, but I find it interesting that not even 1 home game in and Cubes is walking back the vaccination/negative test mandate for home games.
All I can do is give you the facts that are available. The official attendance was listed at 19,337. That is the number of people who enter the arena, not tickets sold. However, in regard to tickets, the game is also listed as sold out. For an eye check, Followill described the house as packed.
Whatever Cubes' "walkback" might look like, it hasn't taken effect at this point, and I have not seen eliminating the mask requirement mentioned. (I could have missed it.) He does say that he is experimenting with providing socially distanced seating for people who are medically unable to get vaccinated.
In my experience, people tend to file in late for most Mavs games, and the arena often looks relatively empty in the first quarter. During the entire game, people are always leaving their seats for various reasons, so at any one time, it looks like there aren't as many attendees as there actually are. I have found the attendance count is more reliable than judging by a few TV shots.
Anyway, SH, I enjoy your input as a poster, and don't want to offend you, or get into the silliness of arguing over a verifiable fact. I appreciate that your intentions are always good, and I believe that mine are, as well. Perhaps I am getting a little frustrated with having so many basketball conversations devolve into political discussions about masks, vaccines, tests, and so forth. I prefer to discuss basketball, but I know there are many people who are very into talking about the other stuff, and their views are equally entitled to be accommodated as mine. So, to the extent my attitude isn't what it should be, my bad.
Just to fill in the holes, what is it when both Luka and KP sit?
Sorry, you are just forwarding a tweet. But I'm still curious.
(10-28-2021, 11:55 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Anyway, SH, I enjoy your input as a poster, and don't want to offend you, or get into the silliness of arguing over a verifiable fact. I appreciate that your intentions are always good, and I believe that mine are, as well. Perhaps I am getting a little frustrated with having so many basketball conversations devolve into political discussions about masks, vaccines, tests, and so forth. I prefer to discuss basketball, but I know there are many people who are very into talking about the other stuff, and their views are equally entitled to be accommodated as mine. So, to the extent my attitude isn't what it should be, my bad.
No offense taken and I agree there's not much value in arguing what should be an adjunct topic at best.
I too am getting burnt out of the constant merry-go-round that is masks/vaccines/politics, and I definitely fell into the trap of adding to it here. I'll try not to make that mistake again.
Back to basketball:
Was thinking about Sterling Brown and the amount of time he gets during the game. After 3 games I'm curious why he's getting the nod over Josh Green. It's not like either can score and if we're looking for playmaking Green gets the edge there too. He hasn't been able to throw a ball into the ocean much like the rest of the team, so I'm trying to give him some slack but if this continues, do you think Green gets a step up in the rotation? Or does Bullock get featured more heavily?
(10-28-2021, 06:33 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The only pandemic we have are the people hell bent on continuing it because they're afraid to go back to normal life.
I don't agree with that at all. I don't know of one person who doesn't want life to return to normal. There are people who's immune systems aren't as strong as others who risk death by putting themselves at risk. One size does not fit all. One excuse/reason is not the same for everyone. One thing is, you can't tell by looking at a person if they're more susceptible to the virus. Lots of unafraid folks end up catching the virus and are very sorry that they did. Congratulations to all the fine people in SA.
(10-28-2021, 12:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]No offense taken and I agree there's not much value in arguing what should be an adjunct topic at best.
I too am getting burnt out of the constant merry-go-round that is masks/vaccines/politics, and I definitely fell into the trap of adding to it here. I'll try not to make that mistake again.
SH, just to be clear, I hope I did not come off as accusing you of anything. It is not for me to say what people should or shouldn't discuss. My comment was mainly answering my own internal question as to what excuse I had for wading into these waters myself. Nevertheless, I appreciate your turning the conversation back to basketball.
Back to basketball:
Was thinking about Sterling Brown and the amount of time he gets during the game. After 3 games I'm curious why he's getting the nod over Josh Green. It's not like either can score and if we're looking for playmaking Green gets the edge there too. He hasn't been able to throw a ball into the ocean much like the rest of the team, so I'm trying to give him some slack but if this continues, do you think Green gets a step up in the rotation? Or does Bullock get featured more heavily?
From what I have seen, there are a lot of people who share your curiosity about the merits of giving S Brown minutes over Green or some of the other players. If I were to venture a reason, it would probably be that Kidd is still trying things out, and he may already have a good bit more information on Josh than he does on Brown.
It is certainly possible that Green will step up. My own guesstimate would be that he may be more likely to do that a little later in the season, and that Bullock would probably be the more likely immediate beneficiary of Brown's minutes being cut. However, that is just based on my three-game observation of their various performances, and not on anything I have heard from a team source or from sourced reports.
What say you on the subject?
Been out of the loop so maybe it has been discussed (maybe at length); but why not use KP as your 6th man?
You could roll out a lineup of Luka-THJ-Bullock-DFS/Maxi-Powell/WCS/Moses (Really wish I was typing Holmes there).
2nd unit would be JB, KP and Maxi/DFS as your three heaviest minute guys. Then mixing and matching with Powell/WCS/Moses, Sterling, Green, Franky, Burke.
Let Luka play with shooters and a roll man. You can alternate DFS and Maxi in the starting lineup depending on who the opponent is.
Let KP be the feature guy of the second unit along with JB.
You would still have some Luka/KP overlap minutes but the second unit could potentially be a nightmare for opponents to match. Gives you plenty of options to close out games with some mixture of Luka, KP, THJ, Bullock, DFS, JB, Maxi and one of the centers if needed.
I don't know if KP can handle it but at this point I don't really care.
(10-28-2021, 09:32 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]The arena was not empty. It was a few hundred seats from being full.
Were you there? Or are you simply citing "attendance" numbers and taking them as gospel?
Announced "attendance" numbers, and butts in seats, are not necessarily the same thing. And sometimes the difference is massive. NBA policy has been that the team can use "tickets distributed" (and define that whatever way they wish) as the number, so that's what they do.
In a later post, you said "The official attendance was listed at 19,337. That is the number of people who enter the arena, not tickets sold" and that is 100% erroneous. Followill saying in pregame the house is "packed" is a nicely vague word that can be used about any number of "lots of people" if needed, and I suspect was a case of a good employee promoting the company line (as there would be no way to tell whether the place was "packed" when the game hasn't even started and fans aren't in seats to observe). But I was not there, so I defer to the eye test of whoever might have been.
Added - here are a few articles that talk about
some of the ways the "attendance" numbers are manipulated, and why
https://www.latimes.com/la-sp-attendance...story.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney...90854d2b2a
https://www.ajc.com/sports/basketball/co...ZlGj4sJjO/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the...ular-team/
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nba...44179.html
(10-28-2021, 11:55 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Followill described the house as packed.
...and here you are, restating that opinion as your own...coincidence????
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(10-28-2021, 02:09 PM)MaxiThreeba Wrote: [ -> ]Been out of the loop so maybe it has been discussed (maybe at length); but why not use KP as your 6th man?
You could roll out a lineup of Luka-THJ-Bullock-DFS/Maxi-Powell/WCS/Moses (Really wish I was typing Holmes there).
2nd unit would be JB, KP and Maxi/DFS as your three heaviest minute guys. Then mixing and matching with Powell/WCS/Moses, Sterling, Green, Franky, Burke.
Let Luka play with shooters and a roll man. You can alternate DFS and Maxi in the starting lineup depending on who the opponent is.
Let KP be the feature guy of the second unit along with JB.
You would still have some Luka/KP overlap minutes but the second unit could potentially be a nightmare for opponents to match. Gives you plenty of options to close out games with some mixture of Luka, KP, THJ, Bullock, DFS, JB, Maxi and one of the centers if needed.
I don't know if KP can handle it but at this point I don't really care.
Wow, I have actually never heard that speculated on. I doubt that they could sell that to KP, but the idea got me thinking about their options for making that the de facto situation if they wanted. It would probably involving dropping his minutes to 25-30 mpg, and perhaps making situational decisions about whether he is on the floor in the closing lineups. I could actually see that happening if KP doesn't perform as hoped.