(08-27-2021, 11:50 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so IF he's the guy you think he is, then we should revisit.
But, even then, I wonder how he'd become that guy here with the KP project very much alive (you know how I feel about that, but it is what it is) and doubling down with TWO guys in that role, neither of which are sure things at this point, seems bananas to me.
I was of the mindset that acquiring Lauri would make KP extremely expendable to me. I was all for any and all KP deals that the Mavs could find should they have gotten Lauri, as they fulfill the same role. I do think having both of them isn't bananas, but redundant and our resources could be allocated more efficiently? Sure.
(08-27-2021, 11:50 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Tell me KP is outgoing in this or some other scenario and I might completely change my tune. But, if KP is locked in for this season in any scenario, which seems to be the case, I think any Mavs interest in LM had to be limited to true financial value, probably starting at 3rd big money, with the possibility of growing into a larger role long-term, rather than "produce right now - we're paying you a lot."
I just think the Mavs recognize that they're teetering close to the tax right now, and the roster still needs talent. Committing huge money to Lauri would've been a massive gamble. Of course they wanted him at a massive discount because who wouldn't? If they threw 17m+ at Lauri and it didn't work out they'd be absolutely f'd.
I think they're gunning for 2023 to retool their role players/attempt yet again at getting a star. Right now I'm more curious to see what they do with the Brunson contract situation and whether or not they extend Kleber.
(08-27-2021, 12:07 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I just think the Mavs recognize that they're teetering close to the tax right now, and the roster still needs talent. Committing huge money to Lauri would've been a massive gamble. Of course they wanted him at a massive discount because who wouldn't? If they threw 17m+ at Lauri and it didn't work out they'd be absolutely f'd.
Yeah, that's essentially what I've been saying.
KP at huge money as a given = no sane way to add LM at big money.
We remain a poorly run organization. Nico‘s first impression is basically a full blown Donnie Nelson copycat offseason.
- Extremely passive draft night
- Strike out on your FA target
- No improvement of the asset base to put is into a better position once a star player becomes available
- Now broken down Goran Dragic is the main target in a buyout scenario.
Meh. What a huge waste of time as always.
Might not mean much in the grand scheme of things, but no freakin way I trade LM within the division. Maybe it's just me, but those things have a way of coming back to bite you in the ass. Every time he plays Chicago, he's going to try to set a career-high.
Star FA in 2023 that will not be 34 or older: Jokic, Beal, Middleton (PO) and Irving. Not counting RFA like Zion.
I would expect all of these will be resigned or traded well before they reach free agency. I wish people would stop with FA pipedreams.
However, on 2022 draft night we have 2022 FRP, 2027 FRP, 2029 FRP or more if we lift protections from NY pick (or gain another 2023 pick) with Powell and Kleber expiring contracts for a trade.
In 2023 after draft night we would have all our FRP starting with 2024 and KP expiring.
At this point I am so desperate about Mavs that I would actually consider as wise to tank this season, build value of KP by featuring him offensively, build value of our last season rookies and M.Brown by playing them heavy minutes and gain a high 2022 pick. Just focus on increasing value of assets we will be actually looking to trade in 2022 draft night.
Having Prime Luka makes tanking a horrible decision IMO...
Now there is a great possibility that Cuban would mess up and ruin Luka's Prime anyway...
(08-27-2021, 02:56 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Having Prime Luka makes tanking a horrible decision IMO...
I was always against tanking. But Mavs are screwing up their offseasons since 2019 so badly that ways to actually surround him with good players are very limited due to extremely poor asset base. Limited picks and no high upside youngsters to trade, even after 2022. Clock is ticking.
Agree clock is ticking and now there is good reason to lay all blame at Cuban's feet because he is the only constant left from multiple failed off seasons and draft...
(08-27-2021, 02:56 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Having Prime Luka makes tanking a horrible decision IMO...
Now there is a great possibility that Cuban would mess up and ruin Luka's Prime anyway...
I agree...that's about as stupid as the day is long. This nonsense that if we lose enough, one day we'll win if nonsense.
The only way you tank with Luka is to trade him or have him out for the season and NO ONE wants that.
I'm going to tell you another thing, and you had better get this...winners like Luka don't come around often. Honestly, the more I read about him, his competitiveness is more in the mold of a Michael Jordan than just about anyone, especially after that interview with Mike Shedd the other day, I'm even more convinced.
WINNERS LIKE THAT DON'T TOLERATE LOSING...even if they think it might in the future lead to winning.
You want Luka gone faster than anything...tank and tell him to lose. Go for it, genius, because this isn't 2K and you are just throwing ratings together on a spreadsheet, and you are just playing anyway.
Winners are a blessing and a curse. Losers often aren't untalented, they are just mediocre people, and this quote I heard from Nick Saban is true.
"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people."
We all know what Luka is....you see how long he stays if you purport to be the person in that quote. Honestly, that's the ONLY way I see him leaving.
Bazemore instead of draft pick and powder would have us in a better position...
Before Luka went to NBA I was mostly a superficial observer of NBA. Watched games, but didn't really dig deep in the whole cap roster building strategy. I was really happy Luka went to Dallas as I thought this is a franchise that knows what is doing and wants to win. Now I am not sure anymore. They bet on FA twice since they got Luka and failed badly both times. They seem to not understand the value of assets and they always bet on having good value contracts. But rebuilding teams don't care about vets on good value contracts. They want picks and/or players with high upside.
@Omahen if you were here since 2011 you would have to be placed on suicide watch...every year is a repeat of the one before...
They were lucky the one time they cared about the draft Luka was there and other teams would make bad decisions...
(08-27-2021, 03:06 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Bazemore instead of draft pick and powder would have us in a better position...
That one is a real head scratcher. It was (I think) thrown to public for the first time after 3 years since that trade. Only a limited amount of people knew what was going on at the time. I guess former circle of trust is broken and info might be leaking now, but is there a way for a reporter to actually confirm if this info is true? Atlanta was in a deep rebuild so what do they care about dumping some bad salary? That would have a very limited value for them. Usual price for a move up like that is a FRP. So I am not really sure if I should take it seriously.
Assuming it was true. Mavs failed to understand they are still in a rebuild and went for a win now move in DeAndre instead of selling cap space, tanking hard for another season and start building a season later. KP move would happen anyway. Even if they traded that protected pick, they should try very hard to have it convert a season later.
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