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(08-10-2021, 12:18 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]

I don't know. I guess I'm in the minority for this but I love the deal. Boban, while an atrocious defender, is one of the more efficient bucket getters in the NBA and is pretty damn good as a 3rd/4th big guy. 

It's not an absurd amount of money either and shouldn't/won't be a barrier to any major roster moves in the near future. 

Basketball chemistry is a fickle thing and is invaluable when you got it. A team with superb basketball chemistry allows them to overcome differences in talent. Boban provides a lot of basketball chemistry, and I'm willing to pay for that. Especially seeing him how he interacts with Luka.

And I mean C'mon it's BOBAN!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzckGfT6obM

(08-10-2021, 12:28 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Boban, while an atrocious defender, is one of the more efficient bucket getters in the NBA and is pretty damn good as a 3rd/4th big guy. 

Was one of the more efficient bucket getters.  The last two years, less so.  The numbers bear out my eye test with all those missed bunnies.  In a vacuum, I don't hate the Boban deal but we know are paying north of 14 million a year for guys who's primary skillset is being culture/glue guys.

(08-10-2021, 12:32 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Was one of the more efficient bucket getters.  The last two years, less so.  The numbers bear out my eye test with all those missed bunnies.  In a vacuum, I don't hate the Boban deal but we know are paying north of 14 million a year for guys who's primary skillset is being culture/glue guys.

Listen I'd love Powell a whole lot more if he was getting paid 3M a year. I'd view him close to untouchable at that price.

But alas we don't live in a perfect world and I'd be fine getting rid of 11M of that 14M you're talking about.

(08-10-2021, 12:32 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Was one of the more efficient bucket getters.  The last two years, less so.  The numbers bear out my eye test with all those missed bunnies.  In a vacuum, I don't hate the Boban deal but we know are paying north of 14 million a year for guys who's primary skillset is being culture/glue guys.

We paid 22 Mio to JJ Reddick last year for being a podcaster. That´s progress

I´don´t think this matters, we don´t ever use any cap so whats the downside?

(08-10-2021, 12:28 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]..is one of the more efficient bucket getters in the NBA and is pretty damn good as a 3rd/4th big guy. 

It's not an absurd amount of money either and shouldn't/won't be a barrier to any major roster moves in the near future. 

I don’t see a problem. I agree his value is as an alternative to whatever is going on on the court. He can be a game changer in limited minutes. 

Does the opportunity cost of his deal prevent us from doing anything in particular, this year or next?

(08-10-2021, 12:28 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know. I guess I'm in the minority for this but I love the deal. Boban, while an atrocious defender, is one of the more efficient bucket getters in the NBA

2nd lowest shooting efficiency in the play-off series against the Clippers, only ahead of Richardson.

(08-10-2021, 12:50 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]2nd lowest shooting efficiency in the play-off series against the Clippers, only ahead of Richardson.

(08-10-2021, 12:50 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]2nd lowest shooting efficiency in the play-off series against the Clippers, only ahead of Richardson.

Boban was asked to do so much more than he was capable of in that series, solely because all the other role players couldn't score. He shot nearly 10 FGA a game, which was 3x more than what he did in the regular season. 

Boban is good in small doses and against teams that can't punish him. Mavs were forced to use him more and against a team that could punish him as much as they wanted because everyone else laid an egg. 

Also Boban (.519 EFG% ranked 9th) was closer to Luka (.569 EFG% ranked 3rd) than to Josh Richardson (0.446 EFG%, ranked 10th), so yeah he was the 2nd lowest in terms of EFG% amongst rotation guys but he wasn't terrible. 

I think the biggest takeaway from all of this was how terrible Richardson was...

(08-10-2021, 12:21 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I get the Nick Collison angle with Boban but it would be a lot less painful if we didn't have Diamond "11 Million Per" Powell on the roster.

The Mavs/Cuban really like to overpay nice guys. (I still can't believe that Wes Mathews contract) Maybe the whole Rondo and Odom fiascos really stuck with Mark.  On a related note, Trey Burke must be a hell of a guy.

(08-10-2021, 01:52 AM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs/Cuban really like to overpay nice guys. (I still can't believe that Wes Mathews contract) Maybe the whole Rondo and Odom fiascos really stuck with Mark.  On a related note, Trey Burke must be a hell of a guy.

Add in WCS and that's about 20 million.

(08-10-2021, 02:08 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Add in WCS and that's about 20 million.

WCS actually rather underpaid tbh. +7.6 on/off is kinda good

With WCS on the floor the Mavs had the equivalent of the 5th best defense in the league last season. Not sure why WCS has such a "bad rep".

(08-10-2021, 01:52 AM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs/Cuban really like to overpay nice guys. (I still can't believe that Wes Mathews contract) Maybe the whole Rondo and Odom fiascos really stuck with Mark.  On a related note, Trey Burke must be a hell of a guy.

And Matthews isn´t even a nice guy, just a snake. Neither the Knicks, Bucks or Lakers wanted to keep him for more than a season and now it looks like his NBA career is over.

i apologize if i am repeating already discussed theme. but, as it is not solved it bothers me. At this moment Mavs have only two ball handlers or playmakers or point guards - Luka and Brunson who is a "work in progress". That in practice means Luka playing 35 minutes or more per game. Which means, probably, that he will be out of gas in fourth quarters and, what is more important, that he could just "burn out" mentally or physically or both. It also means a greater danger of a serious injury. And, I am sorry to say, it also means worse chance in playoffs, as, for example in Olympics, teams showed how to at least temporarily stop Luka by crowding him.

And somehow the debate about that died down without a solution being found.

All new and old centers and wings cannot help if Luka is basically the only star in NBA without a proper back up, which can play in stead of him if he is tired or injured, especially in playoffs. Therefore I politely ask more knowledgable people, what is the solution, for I, do no see it and I am afraid for Luka's health and consenquently Mavs success in playoffs. Thank you in advance for your answers.

Currently, there's also Trey Burke and Ty Terry who qualify as PG in some manner. I agree that a better PG backup should be a trade priority, but we there's a still a lot of time before training camp or even the season starts. I don't think the Dragic opportunity is completely dead, TOR needs time some time to start disliking him and his 19M salary

(08-10-2021, 03:31 AM)Borkhan Wrote: [ -> ]And somehow the debate about that died down without a solution being found.

All new and old centers and wings cannot help if Luka is basically the only star in NBA without a proper back up, which can play in stead of him if he is tired or injured, especially in playoffs. Therefore I politely ask more knowledgable people, what is the solution, for I, do no see it and I am afraid for Luka's health and consenquently Mavs success in playoffs. Thank you in advance for your answers.

The only reason why I think the debate died down is because currently there are no realistic options for the Mavs. Besides Dragic and mayyybe Rubio, there aren't really any available secondary ball handlers that the Mavs can realistically trade for. 

I agree with you. This is a critical problem and one that has to be solved expeditiously. But since there aren't any more pivots at least in the short term, the topic has died down.

I'll bet you as soon as the next season rolls around, and we hear of ANY secondary creator that's disgruntled, they'll be brought up and talked to death about their viability.

How about a Sign and Trade for Dennis Shroeder with Dwight Powell, Jj Redick and/or maybe Brunson/Burke as outgoing?

The Lakers may want another center and a shooter in their line up.

I am from Slovenia, so my knowledge of NBA is slim. But I even if Dragic is a Slovenian, I am not sure he is the best solution. First thing first, Mavs are just waiting for him to be bought out, but who knows if an another team is more interested; they will not wait like mavs?

Also, I miss a proper analysis of Goran's impact at Heat in the last seasons, because, even if he is a proper and true sportsman, living a sports life, father time is creeping on him too; in playtime and injuries. I am also not sure about synergy between Luka and Goran. Yes, they are friends, but up till this year  in Slovenian team Goran was the boss and Luka just listened. Are they both capable to completely exchange roles (and egos)? Stars and players in general are prickly and what will happen when Luka starts to berate his former "boss" (from the last year) during the game? So, forget about friends and so and let us check facts, if Goran is really what Mavs needs. I hope so, but I am not sure as I do not have the analytics knowlege and nba statistics to check that. And I also definitely do not claim to have any personal or other knowledge at all about Luka or Goran, so this it is all my personal conjecture (and fear).

To quote Halfnir "Trey Burke and Ty Terry who qualify as PG in some manner"; I think Mavs needs a playmaker/ball handler who is justs that, and not only in "some manner", with all due respect.

I wrote a lot about this question because: 1. I think it is the number one problem for Mavs and 2. Instead of solving that all discussion is suddenly about shooters, wings and centers, which is nice, but certainly does not solve the main problem, that is, to find another ball handler to help Luka.

(08-10-2021, 04:30 AM)Borkhan Wrote: [ -> ]I think Mavs needs a playmaker/ball handler who is justs that, and not only in "some manner", with all due respect

I absolutely agree. Mavs offseason course limiting their options right now. At this point, it's even signing a minimum contract FA, trading someone into the TPE or trading with matching players (probably using Powell, Burke/WCS to match and maybe one of the young players as a value asset). As SleepingHero said, options are limited, however, esp. if you want them to be better than Brunson. Opportunities might arise, but it might take some time into the season to wait for them.

(08-10-2021, 04:55 AM)Halfnir Wrote: [ -> ]I absolutely agree. Mavs offseason course limiting their options right now. At this point, it's even signing a minimum contract FA, trading someone into the TPE or trading with matching players (probably using Powell, Burke/WCS to match and maybe one of the young players as a value asset). As SleepingHero said, options are limited, however, esp. if you want them to be better than Brunson.  Opportunities might arise, but it might take some time into the season to wait for them.

Did anyone check PG's from recent Olympics teams (and I do not mean Slovenian team included)?

(08-10-2021, 05:01 AM)Borkhan Wrote: [ -> ]Did anyone check PG's from recent Olympics teams (and I do not mean Slovenian team included)?

Mills signed with the Nets. Rubio was traded to the Cavs. Satoransky was traded to the Pelicans. Campazzo is under contract with the Nuggets. Nando de Colo is already 34. When it comes to guys that could actually make the rotation of a playoff team this season that´s pretty much it. Did not see any sleepers on teams like Germany, Argentina, Nigeria or Japan. They aren´t competitive because they lack guard talent.