(08-05-2021, 07:16 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]It´s more likely we just want to keep Powell and add an asset.
Yup! But this POV doesn’t seem to be getting any play on this forum. The majority view Powell as a virtual salary dump, which is likely more wrong than right.
(08-05-2021, 09:09 AM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]Yup! But this POV doesn’t seem to be getting any play on this forum. The majority view Powell as a virtual salary dump, which is likely more wrong than right.
It's gotten a little play, right? There are few folks that think Powell can play a bit, me included. And I think it's possible that the Mavs acutally want to keep Powell. But even if they want to keep him, I'm pretty sure they think of him as more than a salary dump!!
(08-05-2021, 09:09 AM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]Yup! But this POV doesn’t seem to be getting any play on this forum. The majority view Powell as a virtual salary dump, which is likely more wrong than right.
The problem is we currently have 6 centers and no roster spots. And unless we can convert the Bullock MLE into a TPE we don't have a way to pick up Dragic for more than the min, and no reason be assured Toronto buys him out, and limited other options to acquire a secondary play maker. It looks to me that we boxed ourselves into a corner and gave Toronto all the leverage.
(08-05-2021, 08:52 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]If both parties re-upped without reaching a consensus on what his role is going to be, at least starting out with the new coach, I'd find that pretty shocking.
Especially since he allegedly turned down more money with other teams to resign with the Mavs. Can't imagine he'd do that without solid knowledge of what his role will be.
I think we can pencil him in (or even use a pen?) as a starter.
Luka / Dragic / Burke / Terry
Hardaway / Brunson / Hinton
Bullock / Brown / Green
Finney-Smith / Kleber / Onu
Porzingis / Cauley-Stein / Powell / Marjanovic
I think that’s what we end up with. Primarily an additive offseason, with Melli, Richardson, Bey (still wtf on this), and Redick as the only outgoings.
(08-05-2021, 09:28 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]Luka / Dragic / Burke / Terry
Hardaway / Brunson / Hinton
Bullock / Brown / Green
Finney-Smith / Kleber / Onu
Porzingis / Cauley-Stein / Powell / Marjanovic
I think thatâs what we end up with. Primarily an additive offseason, with Melli, Richardson, Bey (still wtf on this), and Redick as the only outgoings.
This is what I'd think if you told me the offseason was over. I just don't think it's over though.
(08-05-2021, 09:35 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]This is what I'd think if you told me the offseason was over. I just don't think it's over though.
Interesting. Any thoughts on what’s next (outside of a Dragic buy-out and add)?
(08-05-2021, 09:02 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Do you believe that? From what we hear, these guys (team reps) talk all the time! Plus you have Duffy, Dragic's agent involved. Can't imagine that they haven't talked and all these reports are just made up out of thin air.
I don´t believe they haven´t talked at all. I just think the talk was like:
"He Nico, we have this barely used Goran Dragic with a 19 Mio contract for sale, what do you offer?"
And he answers:
" Oh WOW, how did you get him on this contract, I´m waiting for him being a FA again, when will he get buyed out? (
He, but thanks for paying him this year)"
(08-05-2021, 09:09 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]The irony is that I agree with Dan's lineup. It would be better defensively (which we need) and probably good enough offensively (Luka and 4 shooters).
I like it also, but note that I’m trying to fit Markkanen into a bench PF slot and that requires Maxi starting. If Maxi comes off the bench, then I see DFS, THJ and Bullock as the starters besides Luka and KP (similar to what VP wrote).
(08-05-2021, 10:00 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I like it also, but note that I’m trying to fit Markkanen into a bench PF slot and that requires Maxi starting. If Maxi comes off the bench, then I see DFS, THJ and Bullock as the starters besides Luka and KP (similar to what VP wrote).
I wouldn't discount Markkanen's potential to start either. He's an elite floor spacer. Unlike Maxi he's also able to create his own shot. It's the defense that's the issue though. But I think offense is more important in the regular season anyways.
(08-05-2021, 10:00 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I like it also, but note that I’m trying to fit Markkanen into a bench PF slot and that requires Maxi starting. If Maxi comes off the bench, then I see DFS, THJ and Bullock as the starters besides Luka and KP (similar to what VP wrote).
I think you could get away with starting KP/DFS and bench is Maxi/Lauri. Maxi has played that role (defensive center) before when he plays with Powell.
(08-05-2021, 09:25 AM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]Especially since he allegedly turned down more money with other teams to resign with the Mavs. Can't imagine he'd do that without solid knowledge of what his role will be.
I think we can pencil him in (or even use a pen?) as a starter.
THJ is definitely a starter at that money. I think we just need to accept that. They obviously really like him and he didn't turn down a reported 14 million more from the Pelicans to be a 6th man.
I'm quite confident the Mavs already have a deal worked out for Dragic. What's the delay? Toronto. They only have seven guaranteed contracts, the full MLE, a forthcoming trade exception for Lowry (and maybe also Dragic), $10.5 million in cap room and a well-regarded front office.
Meanwhile, there are some big names on the block and trade-season is just warming up.
Bottom line, Masai Ujiri is no idiot. He didn't trade Lowry and take on all that salary just to land Achiuwa. Toronto has lots of options and they're evaluating the field before they finalize anything. Dragic wants to land in Dallas and he very likely will ...but it's going to take some time for Toronto to get it's ducks in a row before they limit any of their options.
(08-05-2021, 11:30 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]I'm quite confident the Mavs already have a deal worked out for Dragic. What's the delay? Toronto. They only have seven guaranteed contracts, the full MLE, a forthcoming trade exception for Lowry (and maybe also Dragic), $10.5 million in cap room and a well-regarded front office.
Meanwhile, there are some big names on the block and trade-season is just warming up.
Bottom line, Masai Ujiri is no idiot. He didn't trade Lowry and take on all that salary just to land Achiuwa. Toronto has lots of options and they're evaluating the field before they finalize anything. Dragic wants to land in Dallas and he very likely will ...but it's going to take some time for Toronto to get it's ducks in a row before they limit any of their options.
I´m not saying Toronto is not the hold-up, but there is no way they could foresee how the FA is unfolding and I think they are not happy at all with their options with Dragic.
I filtered the contracts in his traderange and there is not much other than untouchables or awfuls. I think the Raptors proved even well-regarded front offices can be idiots sometimes.
(08-05-2021, 11:30 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]I'm quite confident the Mavs already have a deal worked out for Dragic. What's the delay? Toronto. They only have seven guaranteed contracts, the full MLE, a forthcoming trade exception for Lowry (and maybe also Dragic), $10.5 million in cap room and a well-regarded front office.
Meanwhile, there are some big names on the block and trade-season is just warming up.
Bottom line, Masai Ujiri is no idiot. He didn't trade Lowry and take on all that salary just to land Achiuwa. Toronto has lots of options and they're evaluating the field before they finalize anything. Dragic wants to land in Dallas and he very likely will ...but it's going to take some time for Toronto to get it's ducks in a row before they limit any of their options.
Nope. Marc Stein is the most trusted Mavs insider and said the Mavs won't take on the 19 million in salary. They might have it worked out if he is bought out, but they won't trade for him. If you saw what happened with Kemba Walker, then there is no reason to do so.
(08-05-2021, 11:54 AM)Moviemavguy Wrote: [ -> ]Nope. Marc Stein is the most trusted Mavs insider and said the Mavs won't take on the 19 million in salary. They might have it worked out if he is bought out, but they won't trade for him. If you saw what happened with Kemba Walker, then there is no reason to do so.
I don’t disagree with your strong feelings about Stein at all, but just like F Gump reminded us yesterday or the day before, he only knows what his sources tell him. I think it’s very possible he is being used as a means of public negotiation. Frankly, that would be a welcome change from how the old regime did business. Obviously, we will find out soon.
(08-05-2021, 11:56 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t disagree with your strong feelings about Stein at all, but just like F Gump reminded us yesterday or the day before, he only knows what his sources tell him. I think it’s very possible he is being used as a means of public negotiation. Frankly, that would be a welcome change from how the old regime did business. Obviously, we will find out soon.
I mean of course anything could happen, but OKC didn't get anything for Kemba Walker who is IMO superior to Dragic in both age and production. Why not just wait for Dragic to be bought out? Just makes no sense to give up assets unless it's just Powell and garbage which Toronto won't likely do.