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(08-28-2021, 12:26 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Not to defend Love and I certainly don't want to kick that tire, but there is no way he should accept a buyout with that salary and years left on his contract.  He has no chance of every making up that money and it isn't like he needs to ring chase.

Agreed. If he can find a team willing and able to make him financially whole after a buyout, then more power to him. But I will never hold it against a player for refusing to let the team off the hook for a contract.
To recapitualete: first order of importance was to find, if not a second star, at least somebody to back up Luka ball handling. Mavs failed completely in that.

Second: we needed more shooting power and wings - Mavs delivered that.

Third order - very confusing - is a combination of perimeter, big men and shooting - Mavs only collected a lot of big men not usable for that.

Dreams: mavs dreamed about almost any star available in nba. It did not and   will not happen. Stars will not come to Dalllas (not my opinion).

So, now we have, what we have - a team with one star and nobody really to  support him (ok, if kp is ready, maybe).

Dragic will stay where he is,  as it is the best for him.  Did anyone think that maybe Luka or Goran dont want to play together?

Mavs hired a questionable coach, a totally inexperienced gm and a bazzilion of coach/assistants/helpers/nannies, enabling owner to have a total control over the team. This is not mavs team its cubans team.

Take deap breath, expect Luka to be half-dead  every fourth quarter and be ready to swallow the latest excuses of coach.
(08-28-2021, 01:32 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. If he can find a team willing and able to make him financially whole after a buyout, then more power to him. But I will never hold it against a player for refusing to let the team off the hook for a contract.

Yeah easy to dismiss these numbers since it can almost be like a videogame to us but this is millions of dollars we're talking about here.
I wouldn't give back any that I couldn't make back immediately from another team. Especially with a ring already in hand.
I thought Dragic was begging to play for Dallas and Luka...I have not seen anything so far that says they do not want to play with each other...
(08-28-2021, 02:37 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Dragic was begging to play for Dallas and Luka...I have not seen anything so far that says they do not want to play with each other...



“Maybe I would really end my career together with Luka Doncic in a Dallas Mavericks jersey," Dragic told Slovenian reporter Matej Podgoršek of Planet TV. "But these are all guesses now. I still don’t know where I’m going to play. But I definitely want to play with him someday.”
(08-28-2021, 02:37 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Dragic was begging to play for Dallas and Luka...I have not seen anything so far that says they do not want to play with each other...

I have seen nothing indicating that Luka and Dragic have any aversion to playing with each other. To the contrary, actually. 

However, neither have I seen anything indicating that Dragic is/was "begging" to play for Dallas.
(08-28-2021, 02:37 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Dragic was begging to play for Dallas and Luka...I have not seen anything so far that says they do not want to play with each other...

He's said that before and most recently on Slovenian TV which Kam referenced.  He had to walk it back because it sounded bad to Toronto.
Only Cleveland, Minnesota, OKC, New Orleans and SA with a lower grade...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947...-offseason
(08-30-2021, 03:11 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Only Cleveland, Minnesota, OKC, New Orleans and SA with a lower grade...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947...-offseason

I just want to thank Lauri Markkanen for keeping us entertained for 2-3 weeks, otherwise our whole biggest off-season in franchise history would have been over after the first 10 minutes and the excitement of signing Reggie Bullock and Sterling Brown. Big Grin
(08-30-2021, 03:11 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Only Cleveland, Minnesota, OKC, New Orleans and SA with a lower grade


Boston? Detroit? Portland? Houston? New York getting an A- because they signed Kemba Walker while Boston gets a lower grade because they had to trade Kemba?

This writer seems to have an inconsistent judgment when it comes to grading.

I agree the Mavs had a C+ offseason. We didn't get any super flashy names and while I think the Bullock and S.Brown signings were important, they didn't fix the most glaring issues. On that same token, all these other teams had inflated grades while he graded the Mavs the most realistically. Boston does not deserve a B- for taking on Richardson, trading away Kemba for Horford, and signing Schroeder. 

Detroit shouldn't automatically get a B because they lucked their way into getting Cade Cunningham. Their entire offseason consisted of trading away Plumlee and signing Olynyk to an overpriced deal (3/37 is overpriced for a 3rd string big). That's an incomplete until we see how Cade looks or C if you really want to include adding the number 1 pick.

He gives the Blazers a B, but ends his piece with "it's not looking good." So which is it? Are they not looking good or did they have a better offseason than 11 teams? The Blazers had one of the more messier offseasons of recent memory, and outside of adding Nance Jr. they didn't get anyone of note either. Their own superstar even said so. 

Further, it seems like he's really knocking the Mavs for hiring JKidd, while simultaneously praising the Blazers for getting Billups. 

A mess of an article. I don't expect anything less from Bleacher Report.

EDIT: I just realized he gave the Lakers a B+ and Chicago a B. That might be the most egregious of them all.
Supposedly the Laker may be suiters for DeAndre Jordan if he is bought out from the Nets.   Even without this, it appears Marc Gasol is not in the Lakers plans.   Gasol has not been good the past two years and may be washed, but I have always liked the player.   

We are way to heavy on specialist big man, but even at his washed stage, I may prefer Gasol over a few of our own guys.   

I also read where Juan Hernangomez may be bought out from Memphis.    He is another guy who I have been intrigued with previously.   We don't have a spot open currently but if we did he would have some interest to me.

Shams is reporting also that Millsap has interest from Brooklyn, Golden State and the Bulls.   His market must be dry.  He also slowed down last year, but he could probably start here.
(08-28-2021, 06:05 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]He's said that before and most recently on Slovenian TV which Kam referenced.  He had to walk it back because it sounded bad to Toronto.

Re Dragic --

Believe what Goran actually walked back was a statement that he had ambitions higher than playing for Toronto. 

Don't think he walked back saying he would like to play with Luka at some point. However, I think interpreting that statement as "begging" to play with Dallas would be a stretch. (Realize you didn't make that interpretation.)
(08-30-2021, 06:42 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Boston? Detroit? Portland? Houston? New York getting an A- because they signed Kemba Walker while Boston gets a lower grade because they had to trade Kemba?

This writer seems to have an inconsistent judgment when it comes to grading.

I agree the Mavs had a C+ offseason. We didn't get any super flashy names and while I think the Bullock and S.Brown signings were important, they didn't fix the most glaring issues. On that same token, all these other teams had inflated grades while he graded the Mavs the most realistically. Boston does not deserve a B- for taking on Richardson, trading away Kemba for Horford, and signing Schroeder. 

Detroit shouldn't automatically get a B because they lucked their way into getting Cade Cunningham. Their entire offseason consisted of trading away Plumlee and signing Olynyk to an overpriced deal (3/37 is overpriced for a 3rd string big). That's an incomplete until we see how Cade looks or C if you really want to include adding the number 1 pick.

He gives the Blazers a B, but ends his piece with "it's not looking good." So which is it? Are they not looking good or did they have a better offseason than 11 teams? The Blazers had one of the more messier offseasons of recent memory, and outside of adding Nance Jr. they didn't get anyone of note either. Their own superstar even said so. 

Further, it seems like he's really knocking the Mavs for hiring JKidd, while simultaneously praising the Blazers for getting Billups. 

A mess of an article. I don't expect anything less from Bleacher Report.

EDIT: I just realized he gave the Lakers a B+ and Chicago a B. That might be the most egregious of them all.

Not really sure what troubles you with NY. Kemba Walker at his salary is a low risk high reward move. Excellent deal for NY imho. They covered their biggest needs while maintaining all flexibility (and assets) for when(if) the time comes. They extended Randle for less than max. 

Boston dumped awful Kemba contract, lost Fournier and gained Horford, Richardson and Schroeder all while keeping realistic possibility to stay below the tax or do a win now move with the 17 mil TPE they have. They somehow convinced Sacramento it is better to take Thompson than Dunn/Fernando in the Wright trade. Not brilliant offseason (only B-), but considerably different starting point compared to Dallas. 

What's wrong with Detroit (mark B) offseason? They stayed on the rebuilding course adding top young talent while keeping all assets. What else would it make sense to do? This really is a team where doing nothing is better than doing something. 

Portland lost DJJ, Collins (both useless), Anthony and Kanter (both ok). They added Nance (good) and vet min trio of Zeller, Snell and McLemore - all three ok. They also resigned Powell. I think author made clear explanaiton why Dallas has C- and Portland B. While they both had unimpressive player acquisitions, the difference is the coach. While Billups has similar kind of "sexual baggage" as Kidd they are totally different as far as their qualifications go. Billups is marked as one of top coaching prospects. Kidd has two not really successful stories behind him plus some other baggage. Author thinks Kidd is a big downgrade from Carlisle and obviously doesn't think same about Billups. 

I think Lakers moves are totally polarizing - some see them as great, some don't think it will work. So I don't hold the B+ against the author. But I don't understand what is your issue with Chicago. DeRozan move was strange but the rest was all excellent. Really improved at PG, their biggest weakness, while snatching Ball for basically nothing, got value for Markkanen. Without DeRozan it would be a clear A+.
(08-30-2021, 09:48 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Shams is reporting also that Millsap has interest from Brooklyn, Golden State and the Bulls.   His market must be dry.  He also slowed down last year, but he could probably start here.


I think Millsap (same as Redick) will wait and go for vet min to most serious contender that will want him. At this moment, Mavs are certainly not high on his list. I don't think it is a problem for him to wait a couple of months into the season.
(08-30-2021, 10:27 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Not really sure what troubles you with NY. Kemba Walker at his salary is a low risk high reward move. Excellent deal for NY imho. They covered their biggest needs while maintaining all flexibility (and assets) for when(if) the time comes. They extended Randle for less than max. 


Nothing troubles me with what NY did this offseason. I do think they overpaid on guys like Nerlens Noel and Alec Burks, though that's being nit picky. They did their job but does that automatically mean they deserve an A-? Put it this way, if the Bulls couldn't get an A after adding 3 significant contributors and turning Marknanen into a 1st and 2nd, how do the Knicks get that? 

Kemba at 8 mil is stomachable. It remains to be seen if he can stay healthy, especially under the notorious Thibs. Knicks had a solid B offseason to me. They lost a valued contributor in Bullock. Replaced him with Fournier on a large offer, overpaid to keep their guys, and got a low risk high reward option in Kemba.

(08-30-2021, 10:27 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Boston dumped awful Kemba contract, lost Fournier and gained Horford, Richardson and Schroeder all while keeping realistic possibility to stay below the tax or do a win now move with the 17 mil TPE they have. They somehow convinced Sacramento it is better to take Thompson than Dunn/Fernando in the Wright trade. Not brilliant offseason (only B-), but considerably different starting point compared to Dallas. 

What's wrong with Detroit (mark B) offseason? They stayed on the rebuilding course adding top young talent while keeping all assets. What else would it make sense to do? This really is a team where doing nothing is better than doing something.  


Boston paid OKC a 1st and a 2nd to dump Kemba and got back Horford who's on a less bad contract but still isn't a bargain. They lost Fournier for nothing after paying 2nds for him. Schroeder is a low risk high reward guy, but the problem with the Celtics the last 2 years has been their lack of chemistry. Too many guys looking to get "theirs". Schroeder only exacerbates that issue in my mind. They will be lucky to get anything from Richardson, as he's been on a downturn for 3 years running. B- is generous. They didn't make any outright egregious moves like Memphis, but they didn't significantly improve either. A B letter grade indicates good/above average performance. I would not call what the Celtics did this offseason as good. 

Detroit again didn't do anything erroneous. In fact they barely did anything. Aside from sending Plumlee away with 2nds, and adding Olynyk, they barely did much at all. They signed some minimum guys, and added Cade. Is that an above average offseason that the letter grade "B" denotes? I don't think so.


(08-30-2021, 10:27 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Portland lost DJJ, Collins (both useless), Anthony and Kanter (both ok). They added Nance (good) and vet min trio of Zeller, Snell and McLemore - all three ok. They also resigned Powell. I think author made clear explanaiton why Dallas has C- and Portland B. While they both had unimpressive player acquisitions, the difference is the coach. While Billups has similar kind of "sexual baggage" as Kidd they are totally different as far as their qualifications go. Billups is marked as one of top coaching prospects. Kidd has two not really successful stories behind him plus some other baggage. Author thinks Kidd is a big downgrade from Carlisle and obviously doesn't think same about Billups. 


We don't know what Billups will do as a head coach. He is a total unknown. An author can't praise an unknown while simultaneously degrading another because he feels like it (of course he can but it's not good reporting). Kidd has been talked to death at this point, but the narrative surrounding him has gotten out of control. He went to the playoffs with the Nets and was dismissed because he angled for more control in the front office (This isn't a knock at his performance as a coach which is what we're judging the Kidd acquisition by). 

He then went to MIL and single handedly turned MIL from a lottery team to a playoff team in his first year there. That's a major accomplishment. He was dismissed because the team stagnated under his tenure which was a valid critique. But what Kidd has been repeating all summer long is that he's not the same guy that he was in MIL. He went and learned what it takes to be a championship head coach under Vogel. Does that not account for anything? Billups hasn't been anywhere near the finals as an assistant coach. Why does he get all the praise while Kidd gets dogged? I understand it's easy to hate on Kidd because he comes across as an odd ass but Billups isn't automatically a better prospect than Kidd. In fact Portland's own superstar would agree to that. 

Again, my issue with this article was that the author seemingly assigned grades based on how he was feeling at that particular moment, rather than be consistent on a true grading scale.

The Mavs deserved a C+. In fact I'd venture to say they should get a C-. But the Lakers getting a B+ for adding Westbrook and the retirement home of stars past? Bulls getting a B after totally turning around their roster? Portland getting a B for doing largely what the Mavs did?? It doesn't make sense and shows that Bleacher Report doesn't care about quality. That was my issue. 

We can argue all we want about what grade these teams truly deserve, but I know for certain the grades the author assigned are false and lazy reporting.
(08-30-2021, 12:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs deserved a C+. In fact I'd venture to say they should get a C-. But the Lakers getting a B+ for adding Westbrook and the retirement home of stars past? Bulls getting a B after totally turning around their roster? Portland getting a B for doing largely what the Mavs did?? It doesn't make sense and shows that Bleacher Report doesn't care about quality. That was my issue. 

We can argue all we want about what grade these teams truly deserve, but I know for certain the grades the author assigned are false and lazy reporting.

Westbrook, Nunn, Monk, Bazemore, Ariza, THT, Howard, Anthony, THT. Lakers got A LOT better, without any money to do so. Meanwhile we got little to no better, with A LOT of money to work with.

POR has arguably 5-6 guys who would start and be our 3rd best player here.

I agree our grade should be worse.
I agree that Portland and Dallas deserve a D. That is all!

https://tenor.com/view/focker-fockerout-...if-7188340
(08-30-2021, 12:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]We don't know what Billups will do as a head coach. He is a total unknown. An author can't praise an unknown while simultaneously degrading another because he feels like it (of course he can but it's not good reporting). Kidd has been talked to death at this point, but the narrative surrounding him has gotten out of control. He went to the playoffs with the Nets and was dismissed because he angled for more control in the front office (This isn't a knock at his performance as a coach which is what we're judging the Kidd acquisition by). 

He then went to MIL and single handedly turned MIL from a lottery team to a playoff team in his first year there. That's a major accomplishment. He was dismissed because the team stagnated under his tenure which was a valid critique. But what Kidd has been repeating all summer long is that he's not the same guy that he was in MIL. He went and learned what it takes to be a championship head coach under Vogel. Does that not account for anything? Billups hasn't been anywhere near the finals as an assistant coach. Why does he get all the praise while Kidd gets dogged? I understand it's easy to hate on Kidd because he comes across as an odd ass but Billups isn't automatically a better prospect than Kidd. In fact Portland's own superstar would agree to that.


To cut the story short - Kidd has two stories with bad ending behind him, Billups has zero. We have a hope Kidd learned something with Lakers and changed as a person. Portland has hope that hype surrounding Billups as one of more seek after assistants turning head coach is justified. The grade might be subjective, but I can see why the difference. Besides, the difference between B and C+ is minimal. Its not like Portland got an A+ and Dallas got a D- as one might think after reading your description. So I don't agree the author was inconsistent.


(08-30-2021, 12:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]but I know for certain the grades the author assigned are false and lazy reporting.


I don't think that is fair. Of course there is a certain level of subjectivity when assigning grades and one can agree or not with them. But I think author provided reasonable argumentation for them.
(08-30-2021, 12:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Kidd has been talked to death at this point, but the narrative surrounding him has gotten out of control.
This is true on both counts!


https://tenor.com/view/focker-fockerout-...if-7188340
(08-30-2021, 12:25 PM)HAguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]POR has arguably 5-6 guys who would start and be our 3rd best player here.


I think this is a good point. On paper Portland has a good team and probably reasonable hope that coaching change can lift them a step or two higher. In a year without a clear favorite that might be enough. I don't think Mavs have any reasonable hope about that, as they severly lack talent behind Luka. 

On the other hand, Portland is several levels more pressured than Mavs are. If the coach bet doesn't work, Lillard is gone. It is also obvious the team has higher priority on staying below the tax line than building the contender.