(08-13-2021, 07:15 AM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]What issues do you see with Embiid and KP?
A better question might be "what issues do I see with Embiid, KP and Tobias occupying $99mm in cap to play the four and the five"?
I actually am "the kind of guy" who thought Holmes/KP could work. But, I think Holmes is more mobile than Embiid. The issue with these guys isn't tagging and being the weak-side shot blocker. It is getting back to the 45% shooter in the corner. Regular season...yes...Philly wins 65 games given good health. In the playoffs where all five guys on the floor are pretty good, I'm afraid it will be kind of like Gobert tagging and not getting back to the three point line quickly enough.
(08-13-2021, 08:03 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Embiid, KP and Tobias occupying $99mm in cap to play the four and the five
That is a big problem indeed. I believe I read the Sixers have kicked the tires on Harris. Maybe you can move him for a guy like McCollum.
To your other point, if KP can't guard modern power forwards in the playoffs, he's clearly going to need to be the center in Dallas. I happen to agree and would like nothing more than to see KP return to playing at least league average defense. Well, and stay healthy. And rebound.
If KP plays average interior defense, stays healthy and rebounds he'll return to unicorn status and one could argue he's a top 50 player in the league. That would be awesome.
For reference, the Mavs have a surplus of bigs: KP, Kleber, Powell, WCS, Boban and Brown occupying $61mm in cap to play the four and the five. More if you count DFS but I don't include him because of his obvious positional versatility.
“Before I finish here, I will offer one carrot: There is some “improving the deal” potential that could be a factor here. One still suspects Toronto might have gone the Dragic route because it had another trade set up to get value for him. In particular, it’s possible the Raptors and Mavs are waiting until Oct. 1 — when the salary of Dallas big man Moses Brown can be aggregated — to complete a deal that would send Brown, Dwight Powell and one other small contract from Dallas to Toronto for Dragic. Depending on the player/asset combination, that could yield a rethink on the wisdom of the Raptors’ overall strategy.
But if not, and they’re actually riding this out with Dragic at $19.44 million … yikes.”
So it's still possible to get Lauri into the TPE and make the trade for Dragic?
Based on board comments, this may or may not make DAL better, but I think it will show that the new MBT is at least trying to get better.
I have to admit though, I am/was kind of interested in seeing Moses play with Luka.
(08-13-2021, 10:57 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]“Before I finish here, I will offer one carrot: There is some “improving the deal” potential that could be a factor here. One still suspects Toronto might have gone the Dragic route because it had another trade set up to get value for him. In particular, it’s possible the Raptors and Mavs are waiting until Oct. 1 — when the salary of Dallas big man Moses Brown can be aggregated — to complete a deal that would send Brown, Dwight Powell and one other small contract from Dallas to Toronto for Dragic. Depending on the player/asset combination, that could yield a rethink on the wisdom of the Raptors’ overall strategy.
But if not, and they’re actually riding this out with Dragic at $19.44 million … yikes.”
Doing the math, that is not enough for Terry, but it would be enough for Green (who happens to be sitting out of summer league). I could live with Powell/Green/Moses for Dragic. That would also open two roster spots for taking a flyer on say DSJ. It also keeps WCS who I think might make the most sense (along with a second or two) to get Lauri.
(08-13-2021, 10:57 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]“Before I finish here, I will offer one carrot: There is some “improving the deal” potential that could be a factor here. One still suspects Toronto might have gone the Dragic route because it had another trade set up to get value for him. In particular, it’s possible the Raptors and Mavs are waiting until Oct. 1 — when the salary of Dallas big man Moses Brown can be aggregated — to complete a deal that would send Brown, Dwight Powell and one other small contract from Dallas to Toronto for Dragic. Depending on the player/asset combination, that could yield a rethink on the wisdom of the Raptors’ overall strategy.
But if not, and they’re actually riding this out with Dragic at $19.44 million … yikes.”
Interesting.
BTW, Fanspo has the aggregation restriction ending August 19th rather than October 1st. It's normally 2 months, but I believe it has been shortened again due to the compressed schedule. So this may shake out within the next week.
As much as I'd love to believe Moses Brown's aggregation date is the holdup on Dragic, I feel like there has been a lot of public negotiation recently that wouldn't make much sense if they're really so close to a deal.
So if Powell/Green/Moses is the right outgoing salary to bring back Dragic, it also helps to keep in mind that they don't all have to go to Toronto. I could see this roping in Chicago and Lauri as well. Both Dallas and Chicago have sizable TPEs, so something like this could work:
Dragic/Markkanen to Dallas (Lauri into the TPE)
Powell/Moses to Toronto
Green/2nd rounders to Chicago (Green into their TPE)
As much as I would like to see it, I just don't see great value for Toronto with Powell, Brown and Burke. Unless they are intrigued with the raw potential of Brown. I don't think them taking on three players with guaranteed deals seems like the best strategy either.
Mavs giving up Green in a deal like this would be a brutal self goal for a short term improvement. I would be very disappointed if Green is in any of these discussions.
If the Mavs can get Lauri and Dragic without giving up Green/future picks that would be a great haul. I have difficulty believing they get even 1 though prior to the season.
(08-13-2021, 12:36 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]If we are waiting on Brown to be included in a Dragic deal, IMO it likely means that Green is the other outgoing piece
Powell, Green, Brown is just enough to salary match
Better be Trey Burke. Not giving up Green + Brown in October, when they´ll buy out Dragic in March anyway.
(08-13-2021, 11:25 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Doing the math, that is not enough for Terry, but it would be enough for Green (who happens to be sitting out of summer league). I could live with Powell/Green/Moses for Dragic. That would also open two roster spots for taking a flyer on say DSJ. It also keeps WCS who I think might make the most sense (along with a second or two) to get Lauri.
This would require the Mavs admitting what an absolutely failure their drafting has been. I don't see them adding Green. Doesn't really make a lot of sense either.
(08-13-2021, 01:00 PM)Moviemavguy Wrote: [ -> ]This would require the Mavs admitting what an absolutely failure their drafting has been. I don't see them adding Green. Doesn't really make a lot of sense either.
It would them admitting the previous front office was an absolute failure. None of the failures will ever stick to Cuban.
You make the moves you need to make to best utilize the Luka window.
(08-13-2021, 12:32 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]As much as I'd love to believe Moses Brown's aggregation date is the holdup on Dragic, I feel like there has been a lot of public negotiation recently that wouldn't make much sense if they're really so close to a deal.
Let's assume for a moment that Powell/Moses/whatever for Dragic was the plan all along, and Dallas dealt JRich for Moses before FA started with that specific deal in mind. In that situation, both Dallas and Toronto would have a vested interest in feigning a prolonged negotiation through the press to avoid getting roped into the Miami/Lowry investigation. Arranging a trade that depends on a S&T that can't be legally agreed to yet is a gray area I'm sure they'd like to avoid wading into.
(08-13-2021, 12:39 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]So if Powell/Green/Moses is the right outgoing salary to bring back Dragic, it also helps to keep in mind that they don't all have to go to Toronto. I could see this roping in Chicago and Lauri as well. Both Dallas and Chicago have sizable TPEs, so something like this could work:
Dragic/Markkanen to Dallas (Lauri into the TPE)
Powell/Moses to Toronto
Green/2nd rounders to Chicago (Green into their TPE)
I loved this post and the one about feigning a negotiation to avoid the issue Miami is in (making decisions based on information they shouldn't have known at the time).
I'm a yes to Green outgoing if LM is come back. Definitely not in a deal that just lands Dragic. Another way to get to the correct number would be Maxi, WCS/Moses as the outgoing, but you did a much better job of fulfilling Chicago's desire for a "first" (assuming Green counts as such).
It leaves us with about $4mm to spare under the LT with 14 roster slots filled.
(08-13-2021, 02:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I loved this post and the one about feigning a negotiation to avoid the issue Miami is in (making decisions based on information they shouldn't have known at the time).
I'm a yes to Green outgoing if LM is come back. Definitely not in a deal that just lands Dragic. Another way to get to the correct number would be Maxi, WCS/Moses as the outgoing, but you did a much better job of fulfilling Chicago's desire for a "first" (assuming Green counts as such).
Doubt it. Terry (#31) is virtually a 1st rounder, too. Think you have a hard time finding another team that even considers Terry a good 2nd round pick.
It becomes once again plan obvious that our asset management (with draft picks) failure is a huge problem. You think the Pelicans with their 10 additional first round picks would have much of a discussion about compensation with the Bulls, which makes me think/hopeful that Markkanen wants Dallas.