(08-27-2021, 08:21 PM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]I think RC was the Burke whisperer...would we take J. Lamb into our TPE, and send Burke + WCS either as a trade match or into the Pacers various TPEs? Would free up a C spot for Brown and a roster space for Dragic (or other player)
Burke had a hot three weeks. It happens. Probably had a lot to do with the bubble circumstances, which are so different to the usual NBA. No travel, isolation from outside distractions, no crowds during games and the same gym all the time.
Mavs would most likely do the moronic thing and waive Brown, instead of Burke, if they managed to sign Dragic. Also Moses Brown looks really excited in the group photo. Seems to be a bright kid. Already knows what is up.
(08-27-2021, 07:13 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Who would we even waive to add a bought out Dragic? We just announced Moses Brown and took pictures with his jersey a few hours ago.
Moses Brown. That's what I was saying in my previous post. I would like to see Moses waived but then immediately signed to a two way contract. So he'd still be on the team, but that would open up a roster spot for Dragic. I like Brown, but I don't have any expectations that he'll contribute much this year like some others on this board. He flashed potential with the big numbers he put up late in the season, but we also have to keep in mind that he was playing for a team that was tanking, and in the case of that big 24 point/18 rebound game, he was playing against a team that was actively throwing the game.
I like his potential, but I think he's a long way from contributing to a winning team. From everything I've heard about him, he doesn't seem to actually know how to play defense, he mostly just relies on athleticism. As I said, that raw talent and athleticism makes him a worthwhile prospect, but I don't think he will play much this year. I think he would be better off playing in the G-League next year.
All that said, I definitely wouldn't mind a trade as well if it came down to that.
(08-27-2021, 08:33 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]Moses Brown. That's what I was saying in my previous post. I would like to see Moses waived but then immediately signed to a two way contract. So he'd still be on the team, but that would open up a roster spot for Dragic. I like Brown, but I don't have any expectations that he'll contribute much this year like some others on this board. He flashed potential with the big numbers he put up late in the season, but we also have to keep in mind that he was playing for a team that was tanking, and in the case of that big 24 point/18 rebound game, he was playing against a team that was actively throwing the game.
I like his potential, but I think he's a long way from contributing to a winning team. From everything I've heard about him, he doesn't seem to actually know how to play defense, he mostly just relies on athleticism. As I said, that raw talent and athleticism makes him a worthwhile prospect, but I don't think he will play much this year. I think he would be better off playing in the G-League next year.
All that said, I definitely wouldn't mind a trade as well if it came down to that.
He's got some athletic decencies as well but it seems like he knows how to rebound which is something severely lacking from the rest of our 4s and 5s. Are we sure he'd clear waivers? I'd be somewhat doubtful. I wouldn't mind using him in trade though. It would also be pretty shitty to have him in the introductory press conference and then waive the dude.
(08-27-2021, 08:37 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]He's got some athletic decencies as well but it seems like he knows how to rebound which is something severely lacking from the rest of our 4s and 5s. Are we sure he'd clear waivers? I'd be somewhat doubtful. I wouldn't mind using him in trade though. It would also be pretty shitty to have him in the introductory press conference and then waive the dude.
I don't really see waiving him as a negative, I would see more as a mutual agreement between Brown and the team in order to get him an opportunity for more playing time by playing in the G-League. Good point about him clearing waivers though, that could be a sticking point. I wouldn't mind a trade to open a roster spot at all though. I personally would like to see if we can package Terry and or Burke and one of the bigs like Powell into some kind of upgrade. I'm personally very low on Terry and would like to move him before the rest of the league catches on. I would only do that if it was clear we were getting Dragic though.
The Mavs are at the mercy of KP returning to his rim-protector form. And even with a healthy KP, the rebounding on this team will still be a problem. The bigs are still the same, the same bigs who were bamboozled by the Clips. No rim protection, no rebounding and the Mavs would want to throw away that big who might help in both?
Moses Brown probably wouldn't help that much, I say "probably" because there is always a chance he can get better and dislodge WCS.
And this is where the Mavs have got themselves into if the bigs stay, relying on hope that KP gets better and Moses would develop.
Moses Brown was dumped twice this summer by teams who had need at center and yet demanded he be included as outgoing ballast in a trade. And we’re worrying here about how the Mavs, who didn’t want him, might give him up for nothing?
This seems like the same kind of logic (also presented in this thread) that we should’ve kept all our first round picks so we’d have them to trade.
(08-27-2021, 09:12 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Moses Brown was dumped twice this summer by teams who had need at center and yet demanded he be included as outgoing ballast in a trade. And we’re worrying here about how the Mavs, who didn’t want him, might give him up for nothing?
This seems like the same kind of logic (also presented in this thread) that we should’ve kept all our first round picks so we’d have them to trade.
That's overstating the theme of the conversation. The bottom 3rd or so of the Mavericks roster is pretty devoid of talent. The question was asked who would be the first to go. Brown, in my eyes, would be a more useful bench piece than Terry or Burke. I don't think anyone would lose sleep over Brown being the odd man out.
(08-27-2021, 09:12 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Moses Brown was dumped twice this summer by teams who had need at center and yet demanded he be included as outgoing ballast in a trade. And we’re worrying here about how the Mavs, who didn’t want him, might give him up for nothing?
This seems like the same kind of logic (also presented in this thread) that we should’ve kept all our first round picks so we’d have them to trade.
He was traded. Dumped is what teams do to Trey Burke 2-3 times a year till some dumb team gives him a three year contract.
(08-27-2021, 08:17 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]I get that he's not a star, but signing players like him early is what other teams have always succeeded at (and subsequently benefited from) while mavs waited. It's something I think a lot of us have wanted the mavs to do for a while now, so I'm glad they took that approach.
Exactly
We would have had so much more talent now if we would have just approached the past 2 off-seasons with that same strategy
(08-27-2021, 09:38 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]That's overstating the theme of the conversation. The bottom 3rd or so of the Mavericks roster is pretty devoid of talent. The question was asked who would be the first to go. Brown, in my eyes, would be a more useful bench piece than Terry or Burke. I don't think anyone would lose sleep over Brown being the odd man out.
Agreed.
Brown can go if if meant having Dragic.
But I rather see Burke go first, then Terry and then Brown.
I am disappointed in the Hinton news. All these guys are longshots and moving on from players is part of the business. I was disappointed in Hinton in the summer league. I was expecting a better performance. Still though, I think there is a legit path for him to be an NBA player. Some of the things he does is exactly what role players need to be able to do. The question is if the rest of his game is NBA caliber.
This is way in the weeds and most people don't care, but I do. I will be interested to see if they have plans for the other two way slot. Or if they just elevate Onu or Hunt. I like both as guys you want on your G-league team but IMO neither are 2 way caliber players at this point and I will be very disappointed if that is the direction they take. Maybe a team was sniffing around Onu. That doesn't appear likely though as he was signed as a small guarantee camp invite with probably hopes he stays with the G-league team.
Last week, The sixers released a two way guy and signed former second round pick from Charlotte Grant Riller (interesting move). If the Mavs decided they wanted to move on from Hinton, they probably should have done it sooner if they are interested in certain players. Maybe they look at a guy like Moses Wright from Ga Tech. He was brought in for a workout prior to the draft and went undrafted. I don't believe he signed anywhere yet after playing with New Orleans in the summer league. Wright would be an intriguing two way guy. Moses Brown would be interesting as well. I believe two way guys can play with the team as well this year. Not sure how this would work out though.
Count me in on the Kevin Love bandwagon. He just hasn't been healthy and the fit would not be great here. Especially if KP is not better on defense. But if he was bought out, it would tell me if the Mavs can sell themselves. I think you could legit make the case that Love could start here and be part of a good team. How many teams could say that?
He would really help our rebounding, could help space the floor and is a really good passer. It is sort of sad, but he would be our best playmaking big man by far. Someone who you could throw the ball to and run off ball action.
Sure it is risky, but I think he would be a really nice gamble. The Mavs would need to move a big though as we have way too many role specific big man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzRNdXeVUSM
(08-28-2021, 06:30 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I think you could legit make the case that Love could start here and be part of a good team.
He would really help our rebounding, could help space the floor and is a really good passer. It is sort of sad, but he would be our best playmaking big man by far. Someone who you could throw the ball to and run off ball action.
The Mavs would need to move a big though as we have way too many role specific big man.
I'm also "in" at the minimum, but I would be more interested in Love off the bench. I'd like to see Dallas with a self-sufficient bench that allows the starters to play more together. Love/Brunson plus some defenders would be more than enough for the bench to stand on its own. Right now, the bench is missing an offensive focal point unless you keep Luka or KP on the floor with the bench guys. In my mind, Luka and KP need to be joined at the hip for the bulk of their floor time so we can see if they can make this thing work. Someone like Love (I had the same role in mind for Markkanen) would allow that.
As to the two-way, I'm wondering if maybe Dallas might trade for someone in that slot. I'm thinking of something that "compensates" Toronto for buying out Dragic, but is technically a trade that stands on its own. David Johnson, taken at #47 is a two-way guy and the cousin of Mav-for-a-minute Ray Spalding. Terry for Johnson opens up a roster slot as Johnson would take Hinton's two-way slot. Since it is a trade, Dallas could add money to the deal. Johnson is eligible to be traded on 9/7.
(08-28-2021, 11:09 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1431648923345735683
Such a lovely character. Completely out of shape, acts like an unprofessional clown on court and won´t give up a cent to leave the situation either. Yeah let´s sign that guy.
Thank God we have no matching contracts.
(08-27-2021, 10:08 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]He was traded. Dumped is what teams do to Trey Burke 2-3 times a year till some dumb team gives him a three year contract.
I don’t understand the Burke hate. There’s no move his tiny contract prevents us from making. And he contributes once in a while. The Mavs want him. Plainly nobody wants Moses Brown. (But I very much hope he proves me and them wrong and will happily eat the crow.)
(08-28-2021, 12:12 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Such a lovely character. Completely out of shape, acts like an unprofessional clown on court and won´t give up a cent to leave the situation either. Yeah let´s sign that guy.
Thank God we have no matching contracts.
Not to defend Love and I certainly don't want to kick that tire, but there is no way he should accept a buyout with that salary and years left on his contract. He has no chance of every making up that money and it isn't like he needs to ring chase.
(08-28-2021, 12:26 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Not to defend Love and I certainly don't want to kick that tire, but there is no way he should accept a buyout with that salary and years left on his contract. He has no chance of every making up that money and it isn't like he needs to ring chase.
I´m not saying he has to give up any money. Most of the time the new team just makes up the difference and the player keeps his old overall salary. But Love is seemingly out of shape and behaved completely unprofessionally on the court as the leading veteran, and I don´t think that´s part of his huge salary and job description either. There is not a single player that I want to see less in a Mavs jersey. I´d rather have Satnam Singh back.
(08-28-2021, 12:13 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand the Burke hate. There’s no move his tiny contract prevents us from making. And he contributes once in a while. The Mavs want him. Plainly nobody wants Moses Brown. (But I very much hope he proves me and them wrong and will happily eat the crow.)
Nobody wanted Burke. He was already out of the league and outside of the bubble he hasn´t shown anything that makes me think that he should be in the league. No upside and no positive on court contribution. Brown isn´t great right now but at least he is still young and has shown some potential.