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(01-10-2022, 12:32 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]if Turner comes, KP has to go

This.

(01-10-2022, 12:32 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]I am a KP homer and if Turner comes, KP has to go.  Which is why I don't think the Mavs will do that. (this may not age well)

I choose to believe that the reason the Mavs are exploring Turner trades is because they already have some possible deals for KP in the works.

(01-10-2022, 12:32 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]I am a KP homer and if Turner comes, KP has to go.  Which is why I don't think the Mavs will do that. (this may not age well)

Giving up Brunson+ for a semi redundant to KP big is not a good move imo.

As mentioned, it only makes sense if you trade KP for a playmaker.  I'm not a Simmons fan, but with his value diving and KPs going up, maybe you can make a direct swap.  I can't think of a better center to match with Simmons than Turner.  Imagine how good that defense would be.

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[color=rgba(2,104,214,var(--text-opacity))]Dallas Mavericks
Last Week: [color=rgba(2,104,214,var(--text-opacity))]15 ↑[/color][/color]

[b]Record:[/b] 22-18
[b]Pace:[/b] 96.0 (29) [b]OffRtg:[/b] 109.7 (16) [b]DefRtg:[/b] 107.1 (5) [b]NetRtg:[/b] +2.6 (10)
We’ve been waiting for the Mavs to find their offense, having been the best team in the league on that end of the floor (with largely the same personnel) two seasons ago. But while we’ve been waiting, they’ve swiftly climbed into the top five on the other end of the floor, allowing just [color=rgba(2,104,214,var(--text-opacity))]96.7 points per 100 possessions over a six-game winning streak. Holding the Warriors to just 82 points on 95 possessions and ending the Bulls’ own nine-game winning streak were the highlights, but the most important win (in which the Mavs earned the head-to-head tiebreaker) came against Denver on Monday. They were playing the second game of a back-to-back, and they rotated [color=rgba(2,104,214,var(--text-opacity))]competently[/color] and [color=rgba(2,104,214,var(--text-opacity))]cohesively[/color] out of double-teams on Nikola Jokic, forcing 26 turnovers out of the Nuggets.
Much of this six-game stretch of defense is about opponent 3-point shooting ([color=rgba(2,104,214,var(--text-opacity))]28.7%[/color]), so there’s reason to be skeptical. But the Mavs have also seen big improvements in opponent free throw rate and defensive rebounding percentage ([color=rgba(2,104,214,var(--text-opacity))]in which they rank first over the streak[/color]).
Dallas will face another streaking team (the Grizzlies) with a top-10 offense this week. No team has defended Memphis over multiple games [color=rgba(2,104,214,var(--text-opacity))]better than the Mavs[/color], who’ve allowed just 100.5 points per 100 possessions as the teams have split the first two meetings. They’ll have a rest advantage (the Grizzlies host the Wolves the night before) on Friday, but that game will be the start of a five-games-in-seven-nights stretch for the Mavs.[/color]

(01-10-2022, 01:03 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]but that game will be the start of a five-games-in-seven-nights stretch for the Mavs

5 games in 7 nights probably means a couple of schedule losses

(01-10-2022, 12:36 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]As mentioned, it only makes sense if you trade KP for a playmaker.  I'm not a Simmons fan, but with his value diving and KPs going up, maybe you can make a direct swap.  I can't think of a better center to match with Simmons than Turner.  Imagine how good that defense would be.

Trade KP for Simmons
Trade X,Y, Z for Turner 

That would be a defensive nightmare for opposing teams. The type of defenders you need next to Luka.

Good piece on recent improvement...where it is coming from and whether it is sustainable.  No, there isn't an easy summary for this.  Tons of little points.  No magic pill that is easily synthesized.  Sorry.

https://theathletic.com/3062023/2022/01/...sustained/

Through 40 games, the Mavs are one win better than last year's pace with Rick Carlisle.

Last season though 40 games: Offensive rating ranked 11th; Defensive rating ranked 24; a net rating of +0.2

• Luka missed 3 games; KP missed 15
  

This season through 40 games: Offensive rating ranked 15th; Defensive rating ranked 5th; a net rating of +2.6

• Luka missed 15 games; KP missed 14
  

I'd say Coach Kidd and company are doing alright; this team is barely scratching the surface, IMHO.

(01-11-2022, 06:30 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd say Coach Kidd and company are doing alright; this team is barely scratching the surface, IMHO.

Especially since they haven't even come close to getting Luka's best yet. Might be a scary team if/when that comes out.

(01-11-2022, 06:30 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]Through 40 games, the Mavs are one win better than last year's pace with Rick Carlisle.

Last season though 40 games: Offensive rating ranked 11th; Defensive rating ranked 24; a net rating of +0.2

• Luka missed 3 games; KP missed 15
  

This season through 40 games: Offensive rating ranked 15th; Defensive rating ranked 5th; a net rating of +2.6

• Luka missed 15 games; KP missed 14
  

I'd say Coach Kidd and company are doing alright; this team is barely scratching the surface, IMHO.

One strange season followed by an even stranger one. Last season the Mavs had really bad luck and lost crucial players (Brunson, DFS, Kleber) for nearly a month. Also had to deal with KP´s injuries. Other teams weren´t as effected.
This year it feels like at least one out of KP/Luka is out all the time. Add the recent hardship stretch and the team played some games with less than three guys that would usually be in the rotation. Difference is that this time the entire league is dealing with similar problems. Some teams had it even worse than the Mavs.

Recent games were really encouraging. If they can build upon the defensive improvement and get a little bit more consistent on offense I might get my hopes up.

(01-11-2022, 06:32 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Especially since they haven't even come close to getting Luka's best yet. Might be a scary team if/when that comes out.

They are scary now. 

But the real litmus test is when KP comes back. Luka/KP/Brunson have started zero games together this season. I am curious to see how they look; is there another gear this team can reach? 

I'll be honest, I'm not particularly high on KP. My prediction when KP went out was that they'd go undefeated until he returns, which would ramp up the trade rumors. Now there is Myles Turner talk. We'll see but lets enjoy the ride for now.

(01-11-2022, 07:11 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]They are scary now. 

But the real litmus test is when KP comes back. Luka/KP/Brunson have started zero games together this season. I am curious to see how they look; is there another gear this team can reach? 

I'll be honest, I'm not particularly high on KP. My prediction when KP went out was that they'd go undefeated until he returns, which would ramp up the trade rumors. Now there is Myles Turner talk. We'll see but lets enjoy the ride for now.

The bold is the key and even with Luka/KP I don't think they've played more than the number of games you can count on one hand with both non-injured/visibly-still-recovering. 

That's one reason why I think all of the "get rid of KP for any asset at all" talk is crazy. At the start of the season Kidd talked about needing until Christmas (~23 games) to see what was what. Well he hasn't had any of that for Luka/KP/JB. So, all you can really do is wind the clock back and see what happens in the next month and/or take a huge leap in the dark where you haven't properly evaluated that you do have in hand. For me the former looks so much more sane that I can't really understand the other pov (obv there are some chicken-little KP will break at any moment, get rid, get rid posters .. but meh). 

And, ok, so maybe you miss on Myles Turner. Are you confident that Turner instead of KP is going to take the Mavs from whatever your current projection is to whatever your promised land this year is? And if so, how confident? And what happens going forwards? And what if Turner - who does jump - lands on someone's foot and tears his ACL?

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(01-11-2022, 06:58 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]One strange season followed by an even stranger one. Last season the Mavs had really bad luck and lost crucial players (Brunson, DFS, Kleber) for nearly a month. Also had to deal with KP´s injuries. Other teams weren´t as effected.
This year it feels like at least one out of KP/Luka is out all the time. Add the recent hardship stretch and the team played some games with less than three guys that would usually be in the rotation. Difference is that this time the entire league is dealing with similar problems. Some teams had it even worse than the Mavs.

Recent games were really encouraging. If they can build upon the defensive improvement and get a little bit more consistent on offense I might get my hopes up.

And the one before was the one that was suspended and ended up in the bubble! Of course as observers we want to make predictions and as a FO the FO has to make predictions .. but the last half-season+a season+this half season have been such outliers - for the Mavs particularly, but in general as well - as to make rational discussion really hard

The other day I wrote about Josh Green having a similar 2-dribble pull-up to Michael Finley’s.  Thought I’d look at Green’s age 21 season (Green would be a college junior now) and Finley’s age 23 rookie year.  Finley played four years in college, so he had two more years of experience in his rookie year than Josh has right now.  Which per-36 is which?  One number kind of gives it away

Points.   13.6   12.8

RB.         4.2     6.2

Asst.       3.2     3.3

Stl.         1.0     1.3 

FG%.     .476.  .573

FT%.     .749.  .765

3%.      .328.   .333

(01-11-2022, 09:07 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]The other day I wrote about Josh Green having a similar 2-dribble pull-up to Michael Finley’s.  Thought I’d look at Green’s age 21 season (Green would be a college junior now) and Finley’s age 23 rookie year.  Finley played four years in college, so he had two more years of experience in his rookie year than Josh has right now.  Which per-36 is which?  One number kind of gives it away

Points.   13.6   12.8

RB.         4.2     6.2

Asst.       3.2     3.3

Stl.         1.0     1.3 

FG%.     .476.  .573

FT%.     .749.  .765

3%.      .328.   .333

A is Finley, B is Josh green? 

What gave it away for me was the FG% and rebounds. But mainly the FG%. Seems like 80% of Josh's shots come at the rim. 

If Green can become even 50% of Finley the Mavs got a steal.

Loving the Green wave.

Anybody know what the average playing time/game is for an NBA starter? I did a quick google search, but nothing germane popped out. I'm guessing there is a lot of noise due to position and whether the starter is also the finisher.

(01-12-2022, 11:43 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Loving the Green wave.

I'm positively surprised by Green! Keep it up. Play him more. I was bashing him before, and thought he showed no signs of a skills necessary of an NBA player after the draft and when he got a few minutes. He is showing NBA skills lately and it is amazing to see. He is doing something well around the basket, its not only athleticism but also combined with skill. Some passing as well and even some shooting. Its still too early, but a highly promising sign. He brings momentum in the games as well.

(01-12-2022, 02:53 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]I'm positively surprised by Green! Keep it up. Play him more. I was bashing him before, and thought he showed no signs of a skills necessary of an NBA player after the draft and when he got a few minutes. He is showing NBA skills lately and it is amazing to see. He is doing something well around the basket, its not only athleticism but also combined with skill. Some passing as well and even some shooting. Its still too early, but a highly promising sign. He brings momentum in the games as well.

I saw it differently.  I thought he showed NBA level D and a flare for passing last year (you have to be careful on the eye test for passing though because the TO's are bit higher than I'd like).  If you have one NBA skill and his athleticism, you should stick long enough to see if you add other things at an NBA level.

For all of his athleticism, he was a poor finisher in college (seems to have fixed itself).  No idea what we have from the NBA three point line yet as he hasn't had enough attempts in the rhythm of consistent minutes to know anything.

I'm a bit encouraged that he's creating about 25% of his own made shots from two.  That isn't an overly large percent, but he's not just waiting around on the kindness of others.  His percentage of unassisted baskets is better than Bullock and Dorian, but not quite as good as Hardaway.  I imagine that would go up with a more featured role in time.

(01-12-2022, 03:17 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I saw it differently.  I thought he showed NBA level D and a flare for passing last year (you have to be careful on the eye test for passing though because the TO's are bit higher than I'd like).  If you have one NBA skill and his athleticism, you should stick long enough to see if you add other things at an NBA level.

For all of his athleticism, he was a poor finisher in college (seems to have fixed itself).  No idea what we have from the NBA three point line yet as he hasn't had enough attempts in the rhythm of consistent minutes to know anything.

I'm a bit encouraged that he's creating about 25% of his own made shots from two.  That isn't an overly large percent, but he's not just waiting around on the kindness of others.  His percentage of unassisted baskets is better than Bullock and Dorian, but not quite as good as Hardaway.  I imagine that would go up with a more featured role in time.

His defense is a little more concerning to me at this point.  He'll certainly not get the benefit of the doubt on calls based on his stature but he tends to be a touch over aggressive.  At times, he's like a dog that finally caught a car and has no idea what to do with it.