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(08-03-2021, 12:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I just realized why you're so insistent that it's DFS and not Kleber included in this fantasy. 

IT'S ALL ABOUT JOSH GREEN'S MINUTES, ISN'T IT???!!!!!!

(08-03-2021, 02:23 PM)soog Wrote: [ -> ]The sticking point for me is - does Toronto want KP instead of Siakim?  If so why?

The million dollar question is the interest in KP.

(08-03-2021, 02:24 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]1
In the conversation regarding Dragic, let's not bid against ourselves.

Bill Duffy is influential, he is going to be pushing hard to get him elsewhere, TOR has no interest in keeping him, and there's not anyone else who will trade for him with a 19M salary. Mavs default is to just wait for him to be bought out. Powell going the other way (at similar total salary) is a reasonable option for TOR to salvage something useful that is better than writing a 19M check.


2
In expanding the deal ...

KT for Siakam
DP for Dragic
That (together) is the simplest swap.

Mavs also take ____ using TPE can be added.
Mavs also send ____ can be added.

I hope you're right! Does KT (above) = KP?

I'd take OG Anunoby over KP.

(08-03-2021, 03:01 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd take OG Anunoby over KP.

You don’t mean that

Is the Hood waive official??

They could be attempting to get Dallas to take on Hood using the TE and the negotiations go/don't go from there...

Dallas might be willing to do so for the right tip, but then might have a foot in the Washington negotiations and are simply holding up both deals in order to get (not 2 but) 4 teams bidding against each other who want to involve them to grease their respective trades

We Love our boys in blue....Nico Style


The Kyle Lowry sign-and-trade to Miami isn’t in doubt, but it appears the reason it hasn’t been officially completed yet is that Toronto is now trying to re-home Goran Dragic. In statements to the media, Dragic expressed a desire to join the Mavericks and play with Luka Doncic, something Dallas is known to be interested in as well. To join as a third team in that deal, Dallas would have to send at least $14.4 million in salary to Toronto, something most easily done by combining Dwight Powell and Willie Cauley-Stein. But that’s also where it gets complicated.
Dallas wouldn’t want to do that because Powell is beloved around the organization, and losing two centers in the same transaction would thin the team’s depth. The Mavs also don’t want to replace Cauley-Stein with one of their prospects in Josh Green or Tyrell Terry. But Toronto likely views Dragic, a proven veteran on an expiring deal, as a positive asset. Dallas wants him, so why shouldn’t it give something up? That’s the current limbo it’s easy to imagine both teams in right now. One possible solution is Dallas finding an expendable player Toronto does want and using a recently acquired trade exception (TPE) to bring something more conducive to the Raptors’ likings.
Reported by the Athletic

(08-03-2021, 03:16 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Dallas wouldn’t want to do that because Powell is beloved around the organization, and losing two centers in the same transaction would thin the team’s depth. The Mavs also don’t want to replace Cauley-Stein with one of their prospects in Josh Green or Tyrell Terry

THIS makes sense. Good on the Mavs and Nico!

1) WCS is a GREAT value for what he brings IMO.

2) Giving up on JG or TT just to get one year of Dragic? Ugh, no thanks.

Mavs should play hardball here.....


.....and get Siakam at the end of the day.

(08-03-2021, 02:45 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I hope you're right! Does KT (above) = KP?

Yes. Oops. Fixed. Thanks.

(08-03-2021, 03:13 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: [ -> ]Is the Hood waive official??

They could be attempting to get Dallas to take on Hood using the TE and the negotiations go/don't go from there...

No. The Hood waiver was a non-event to TOR, as he had no guaranteed money.

(08-03-2021, 03:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]THIS makes sense. Good on the Mavs and Nico!

1) WCS is a GREAT value for what he brings IMO.

2) Giving up on JG or TT just to get one year of Dragic? Ugh, no thanks.

Mavs should play hardball here.....


.....and get Siakam at the end of the day.

...and the Dwight Powell-part?

(08-03-2021, 03:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]THIS makes sense. Good on the Mavs and Nico!

1) WCS is a GREAT value for what he brings IMO.

2) Giving up on JG or TT just to get one year of Dragic? Ugh, no thanks.

Mavs should play hardball here.....


.....and get Siakam at the end of the day.

If no WCS, Green or TT. Throw in Burke and call it a day.

(08-03-2021, 03:32 PM)JamesConway Wrote: [ -> ]...and the Dwight Powell-part?

 

negotiationi? Trying to pump DP's value?

...or the new guys like him like the old guys did

(08-03-2021, 03:36 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]negotiation? Trying to pump DP's value?

...or the new guys like him like the old guys did

Maybe all of the above?

The reality is that the current state is Dragic is $19M in "sunk cost" to TOR, the price they paid for Precious and a 2nd, and they don't have a particular desire to have him on their roster.

*TOR would ideally replace him with 19M or less in players they do want. Or at least find a way to reduce their wasted outlay from 19M to a (much) smaller number.
*Dragic doesn't really want to be there. He would ideally get his 19M from TOR, and then get to pick a team of his choosing and a new deal.
*Dallas would like to have him, but would ideally prefer not to have to pay (in salary or assets) to get him.

It's unlikely that any of the 3 will get everything they want. But they are all going to try to get as close as possible to their best outcome - which means they are trying to get others to settle for less than they want.

(08-03-2021, 03:50 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe all of the above?

The reality is that the current state is Dragic is $19M in "sunk cost" to TOR, the price they paid for Precious and a 2nd, and they don't have a particular desire to have him on their roster.

*TOR would ideally replace him with 19M or less in players they do want. Or at least find a way to reduce their wasted outlay from 19M to a (much) smaller number.
*Dragic doesn't really want to be there. He would ideally get his 19M from TOR, and then get to pick a team of his choosing and a new deal.
*Dallas would like to have him, but would ideally prefer not to have to pay (in salary or assets) to get him.

It's unlikely that any of the 3 will get everything they want. But they are all going to try to get as close as possible to their best outcome - which means they are trying to get others to settle for less than they want.

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(08-03-2021, 03:18 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]THIS makes sense. Good on the Mavs and Nico!

1) WCS is a GREAT value for what he brings IMO.

2) Giving up on JG or TT just to get one year of Dragic? Ugh, no thanks.

Mavs should play hardball here.....


.....and get Siakam at the end of the day.

Sorry; 1 and 2 are garbage. Mavs have guys they could add to complete this and be done with it. And this could have been done long before the other centers around the league that were available, were signed...

(08-03-2021, 03:54 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry; 1 and 2 are garbage. Mavs have guys they could add to complete this and be done with it. And this could have been done long before the other centers around the league that were available, were signed...

better to be done already? or to get the deal they want?

(08-03-2021, 03:54 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry; that's all garbage.

Not when you look at the alternative.  If Tor can’t pull this off they have to waive Dragic and still pay him.  Then the Mavs sign him to a 1 yr vet min and both Mavs and Dragic are happy no assets lost by the Mavs.  So what is in it for the Mavs to participate in this?  Why pay for something (even if the cost is as low as WCS or TT) when you can have it for free?

(08-03-2021, 03:54 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry; 1 and 2 are garbage. Mavs have guys they could add to complete this and be done with it. And this could have been done long before the other centers around the league that were available, were signed...

You have a point. If the Mavs didn't want to send WCS/Powell for Dragic because it ruined their center depth, then go out and sign Robin Lopez or dare I say Andre Drummond to replace those two. Both of them would've taken the minimum and bring at least 50-80% what Powell/WCS brought.


FGump keeps bringing up the posturing, and I believe it. But still their public reasoning (if true) doesn't make a lick of sense.