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Curious what would happen if both Dragic and Wall are bought out (starting to feel like neither will be).  Feels like Luka would push for Dragic but I think Wall raises the ceiling of this team a lot....

(09-15-2021, 01:21 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]Curious what would happen if both Dragic and Wall are bought out (starting to feel like neither will be).  Feels like Luka would push for Dragic but I think Wall raises the ceiling of this team a lot....

Wall without question.  He could put us into serious contention if he stays healthy and could really relieve Luka duties.

(09-15-2021, 12:46 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I am myself looking at possible Burke deals but I fail to see why this one would make much sense. Memphis has 17 players under contract as it is with another two incoming, so trading for Burke doesn't make a lot of sense for them unless someone at Memphis is totally in love with his game. 

It's just a thought of a possibility. It doesn't have to "wow" the Grizz, for them to swap a guy they were going to cut anyhow. They've been whittling at the margins for a while now, to cut down on dead salary from taking Bledsoe, and this is just an avenue to another small gain, perhaps.

About the roster slots, you are too obsessed over that, and miss the forest for the trees. Cutting Dunn, or cutting Burke, either of those will land MEM in the very same place as far as roster spots. So if they get a bit better player to consider, or end up with a bit more cash, there's no downside to them to swap one for the other.

But more than that, they don't care about the roster spots. They already know they are waiving players. It's about dollars.

The total salary dollars can easily be made equal or better for MEM. Burke gets paid $3M this year while Dunn gets $5M, and Burke's 2nd year (if waived) will be paid over 3 years, so if they get a cash infusion of $2M from Dallas to do the deal, they are way ahead on cash flow (which is a very real issue for NBA teams with these huge payrolls and stifled ticket sales), and they are also ahead on the total being spent on the "Bledsoe waiver."

And their best case is, they get Burke to camp and decide they want to keep him, and they have the player PLUS an extra $2M in their pocket.

It's an idea where the timing fits, that aligns with what MEM has been doing and is about to do, and also caters to the theory that the Mavs want to move on from Burke. That's the main point.

(09-15-2021, 11:12 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

The pictured jersey number are a good prediction of his stat lines for the upcoming season.

(09-15-2021, 11:48 AM)Moviemavguy Wrote: [ -> ]Notice the goal post moving?  I wouldn't count on Dragic happening at least not until the deadline.

Yes. I have come to believe that if the Mavs said they were "confident" of getting Dragic, they meant that they were confident they could get him if he is bought out. Just "hopeful" that he will actually be bought out.

(09-15-2021, 11:48 AM)Moviemavguy Wrote: [ -> ]Notice the goal post moving?  I wouldn't count on Dragic happening at least not until the deadline.

That's certainly possible.

What's interesting about TOR choices is that they are currently set to be taxpayers (about 3.2M over the line) with a team that looks like it will be meh. They won't let that happen, so they will be doing something. Or several somethings, more likely, before we get to the end of the season.

They will get some of that payroll lowered as they cut the roster from 17 to 15, but all of their players have some guaranteed money, and getting to 15 won't fix it. That means they must have more in mind. Buying out Dragic right up front, where he gives back minimum salary he would get elsewhere, is one certain solution to their tax issue, but there are other routes.

Another would be trading Dragic for a Dallas package that includes just enough salary to be a match (such as Powell, Burke, and a partially-guaranteed Brown). But if the Mavs think that Brunson needs minutes (which he does) and that their time of need is much more likely to be playoffs than regular season (which it is), then a deadline pickup is soon enough for solving their needs - which means they wouldn't feel a need to force the issue with a trade.

TOR can probably get enough savings by first waiving 2 players in camp, then much later in the season working a buyout with Dragic (with much less of a give back, since minimums he will get from somewhere else are lowered each day). But that will necessitate a juggle of what they do with the 15th slot that opens as they do that, as they might only have nickels and dimes left to use in filling that 15th slot here and there. The earlier they jettison Dragic, the easier the road, and also the more options they might have for trying out kids.

Another route they might choose is to cut 3 of their partial-guarantee players in camp, and open the season with only 14 on the roster. Depending on which 3, they could then add a 15th player on a minimum (or 10-day) here and there during the season. Or they could just go with 14, and use their 2-ways when an extra body is needed.

Of course, maybe it's possible the Raps come from nowhere with Dragic and whoever else and are unexpectedly really good, and a strong playoff team. In which case, they keep Dragic. But it sure seems more likely this is a tank year ahead for them.

(09-15-2021, 01:22 PM)Moviemavguy Wrote: [ -> ]Wall without question.  He could put us into serious contention 

Have my doubts John Wall moves the needle at all.

Is he gonna just be the next one in the line of failed 3nD guards we’ve been trying to fit next to Luka?

The search for the perfect fit, take 3.

Did Frank play much in the Olympics?  This is the only highlights I found.  His jumper looks pretty smooth in this game. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKix-i2_1Ew

(09-16-2021, 07:41 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDStWUKsznA

"Welcome to Dallas?" I missed where we officially signed him.

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(09-15-2021, 06:58 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Have my doubts John Wall moves the needle at all.

(09-16-2021, 09:24 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Is he gonna just be the next one in the line of failed 3nD guards we’ve been trying to fit next to Luka?

The search for the perfect fit, take 3.

Well, at least they are throwing multiple players at the problem this year. I suppose that increases the chances that one of them will stick, right?

(09-16-2021, 09:24 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Is he gonna just be the next one in the line of failed 3nD guards we’ve been trying to fit next to Luka?

The search for the perfect fit, take 3.

If he is then at least he didn't cost any picks/valuable players.  So that part of the streak would at least be broken...

(09-16-2021, 11:12 AM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]If he is then at least he didn't cost any picks/valuable players.  So that part of the streak would at least be broken...

The two guys before him also were playable players in their previous spots, they just got worse here. Hopefully, that is an area JKidd can coach into these types as opposed to RC coaching it out of them. Otherwise, if Frank looks worse here than he did in NY? Just tell me this is that role’s last chance at finding the right fit!

Frankie Smokes is now a Mav...

I though DAL was already at 20 under contract. Who's gone? Or did I miscount?

(09-16-2021, 09:17 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]I though DAL was already at 20 under contract. Who's gone? Or did I miscount?

Onu was waived recently.

(09-16-2021, 09:17 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]I though DAL was already at 20 under contract. Who's gone? Or did I miscount?

He'd be the 20th going into training camp. I'm curious to see if this is a non-guaranteed minimum deal or if its fully guaranteed. If the latter, there's a chance someone else on the roster is on their way out, probably Terry. 

Onu was waived when they got rid of Hinton which brought the Mavs down to 19.