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(07-26-2021, 10:36 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah yeah...

I'm just teasing anyways. Copy and paste any of my posts. Idc. I'm just some rando on the internet!

We are all JAGS on this board...

(07-26-2021, 10:35 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Still, if Celtics offered Brown (doubtful) that is no brainer.  Everything else probably has it's merits but I'd probably take a GSW package or CJ.

They said no on Brown for Simmons...

But Simmons is 2 tiers lower on the Totem Pole also so Celtics would be crazy not to include him...

(07-26-2021, 10:38 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]We are all JAGS on this board...

I'm still not convinced you aren't a bot personally. 
I mean I saw you refer to yourself in the 3rd person on discord. 

That's the exact thing a bot would do before becoming self aware.... just saying

(07-26-2021, 10:39 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]They said no on Brown for Simmons...

But Simmons is 2 tiers lower on the Totem Pole also so Celtics would be crazy not to include him...

I'm just not sure how much that moves the needle for the Celtics.  Beal is an offensive stud, but Brown plays both ends of the court.

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(07-26-2021, 10:38 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]We are all JAGS on this board...

Half the reason I come here is for the quality discussion...

The other half is for the laughs...
MavsBoard for life

#MBFL

(07-26-2021, 05:10 PM)wmffl87 Wrote: [ -> ]The new head of basketball operations has no idea whether the guy that had Cuban's ear in making personnel decisions for the last couple of years is still employed by the organization.

He then proceeds to make a joke (supposedly) about how much chaos that guy has already caused.

So much for "now we'll have a clear organizational structure with Nico on top."

This is the part I don't understand. If I understand the scope of the President Of Basketball Operations job, it is literally his job to decide who is involved in the analytics department. How in the hell does Nico think that claiming ignorance about Bob's status does anything but undermine the perception of his authority within the organization?

People have been talking about how Mark Cuban is basically the defacto GM and that no new exec will have any actual power and here we are with our new exec basically saying "idk lol" about the status of an employee who should be directly under his purview. Amateur hour.

(07-26-2021, 10:58 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]This is the part I don't understand. If I understand the scope of the President Of Basketball Operations job, it is literally his job to decide who is involved in the analytics department. How in the hell does Nico think that claiming ignorance about Bob's status does anything but undermine the perception of his authority within the organization?

People have been talking about how Mark Cuban is basically the defacto GM and that no new exec will have any actual power and here we are with our new exec basically saying "idk lol" about the status of an employee who should be directly under his purview. Amateur hour.

Weird interview, awful questions.

It is indeed Nico's job to be the boss. He's been made the Mavs' GM, with all the authority that should entail. As he has made clear in multiple interviews, he would never have agreed to the job without that setup.

I have no doubt Bob's future employment with the Mavs (if any) will be decided by Nico, if and when Nico feels like messing with it. As you note, Bob's potential role is in the analytics department, and those people report to Nico-- and as Nico noted in the interview, he gets their input constantly. He apparently feels he has more important things on his plate at the moment than figuring out whether he needs to add Bob's voice to that department. Whether Bob's contract with the Mavs is not yet ended, or has already run out, is only a minor detail to him apparently, and he has more important things to do than decide whether Bob has a place in Nico's Mavs. He keeps saying this, and no one likes what he says, so the weird questions that go nowhere are the result.

Nico answers to Cuban, because (as he keeps saying) "everyone has a boss." But Nico was given the job of GM, with all the authority that comes with it, as well as the accountability required to get it right. In the past, Cuban was the GM, that hired and fired and took the input and made the decisions. Cuban has handed those reins to Nico.

It's possible Cuban will turn into a control freak again at some point, but for now, it's a different process. All these guys report to Nico.

(07-27-2021, 12:04 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Nico answers to Cuban, because (as he keeps saying) "everyone has a boss." But Nico was given the job of GM, with all the authority that comes with it, as well as the accountability required to get it right. In the past, Cuban was the GM, that hired and fired and took the input and made the decisions. Cuban has handed those reins to Nico.

It's possible Cuban will turn into a control freak again at some point, but for now, it's a different process. All these guys report to Nico.

Just curious, because you seem to have done a 180º turn on this: Are you getting info not all of us can access on this, or are you just going off of what's been said publicly? I mean, don't you think they'd say Donnie had that much authority if he were still here, in light of the Cato/Amick thing? I guess I just don't take people at their word as easily as you. 

But, I'd sure LIKE to be as confident about this as you are, because that would be a major step in the right direction. Help me believe, @"F Gump"!

(07-27-2021, 12:08 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Just curious, because you seem to have done a 180º turn on this: Are you getting info not all of us can access on this, or are you just going off of what's been said publicly? I mean, don't you think they'd say Donnie had that much authority if he were still here, in light of the Cato/Amick thing? I guess I just don't take people at their word as easily as you. 

But, I'd sure LIKE to be as confident about this as you are, because that would be a major step in the right direction. Help me believe, @"F Gump"!

1 They keep telling us that Nico is the boss, in every way that can be said. Not sure what else there is to do. It is what it is, whether you get it or not.
2 Cuban had been the real GM. Cato's article about a "Shadow GM" was the right headline, but missed the forest for the trees. CUBAN was the Shadow GM -- ie, for the last decade he has been the one doing what a GM does, personally managing the roster planning, the hiring, firing, decision-making, and all brought their thoughts to him so HE can make the decision. Bob answered to Cuban not Donnie, which raised the furor and made Bob the center of attention, but the same was true of RC, Finley, and perhaps others. It was a weird setup for any NBA owner, but Cuban thought he could figure it out and do it better if he made the decisions.
3 You are right. When Nico was hired, I expected that he was just another minion hired to offer opinions to Cuban, who would continue to be in control. And Nico's lack of experience bolstered my belief that he was simply a trainee, who could be hired cheaply, and learn on the job, while Cuban still ran the show.
4 But come to find out, I was wrong. That is NOT what Nico was hired to do. By all accounts, Nico was hired to fill the role Cuban has been filling. Obviously Donnie HAD to go, and the coach left because he was now being instructed to report to the GM (like coaches do), not to Cuban. Kidd, Finley, Bob (if he is around), all of those guys offering input now report to Nico, not to Cuban. He's their boss.
5 Just listen to everything that's being said, allowing the above as your expectation, and it's always the same message: Nico is the boss, everyone reports to Nico and Nico makes the decisions. Yes Nico reports to Cuban because everyone has a boss but Nico is the GM and does the GM-ing for the Mavs.
6 I believe it when Nico keeps telling us that he wouldn't be here if it wasn't a real GM job with real GM authority - there's no reason to doubt that. Cuban wants to downplay the fact that he WAS the GM (and therefore responsible for horrendous direction, decisions, and inaction) so he doesn't emphasize that he's had to fire himself and things have changed, but he does say everyone reports to Nico, which is very different than before.
7 I also notice they aren't tip-toeing with their words, to try to keep outsiders from thinking what they want to think. They know what they've changed, but don't particularly care if you get it or not. Including in this interview. Nico was straight-forward, but the questions (based on faulty assumptions) and interviewers were really awful, and it's not Nico's job to clean up their mess.

(07-27-2021, 01:01 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]4 But come to find out, I was wrong. That is NOT what Nico was hired to do. By all accounts, Nico was hired to fill the role Cuban has been filling. Obviously Donnie HAD to go, and the coach left because he was now being instructed to report to the GM (like coaches do), not to Cuban. Kidd, Finley, Bob (if he is around), all of those guys offering input now report to Nico, not to Cuban. He's their boss.

Yeah, I understand. Just wondering why you're so confident about this... 

(07-27-2021, 01:01 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]5 Just listen to everything that's being said, allowing the above as your expectation, and it's always the same message: Nico is the boss, everyone reports to Nico and Nico makes the decisions. Yes Nico reports to Cuban because everyone has a boss but Nico is the GM and does the GM-ing for the Mavs.
6 I believe it when Nico keeps telling us that he wouldn't be here if it wasn't a real GM job with real GM authority - there's no reason to doubt that. Cuban wants to downplay the fact that he WAS the GM (and therefore responsible for horrendous direction, decisions, and inaction) so he doesn't emphasize that he's had to fire himself and things have changed, but he does say everyone reports to Nico, which is very different than before.

...and it seems like this is the answer. Man, I hope you're right. It would give me a lot of hope for the future, both near and distant. I was hoping you had something other than what has been said in public to list among "by all accounts" but at least someone feels confident about this. That does make me feel a little better. 

You don't think there's a chance that Harrison believes this, explaining why he's coming across so confidently, but that he'll soon find out that Cuban's definition of "Nico is the boss" is wildly different than his own?

(07-27-2021, 12:04 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]It's possible Cuban will turn into a control freak again at some point, but for now, it's a different process. All these guys report to Nico.

I think this is the key. The moment Nico makes a questionable move in MC's eyes, I wonder if he'll assume the role again, fire NICO and find someone else or let it ride. 

For the moment, I've been seeing things like you have though.

(07-27-2021, 01:50 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]For the moment, I've been seeing things like you have though.

Ok, that's two people.

Maybe I should just adjust my cynicism settings.

(07-27-2021, 01:27 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]You don't think there's a chance that Harrison believes this, explaining why he's coming across so confidently, but that he'll soon find out that Cuban's definition of "Nico is the boss" is wildly different than his own?

Anything is possible, of course. But why go there? Everyone with the Mavs is singing out of the same hymnal, that Nico is the GM who is fully empowered to do all the GM-ing and GM things. Let's just listen to them and trust they're simply telling the truth. That's not hard.

If (and only if) one day Cuban (as you suggest) pulls the rig out from under Nico and starts playing GM again, there will be plenty of time to explore they why's and the ramifications of such weird and extreme control freakiness. But until then, yuck no, I have no desire to go down such a dark rabbit hole.

(07-27-2021, 02:13 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Let's just listen to them and trust they're simply telling the truth. That's not hard.

I don't get this. Sure life is easier to just blindly believe what you are being told and take everything at face value. But unfortunately life doesn't go like that. Based on all the crap that came to sunlight it is totally natural that one has his doubts about things that are being said. I am not losing sleep over Harrison having full control or not, but I will not believe it until I see it.

From Hollinger:

However, the speculation is the Pels have the opposite plan in mind: That they want to pursue Toronto guard Kyle Lowry in free agency, and now have the ammunition to outbid anybody if need be. (Sources also tell The Athletic the Dallas Mavericks and Miami Heat will be major suitors for Lowry, with Dallas trying to clear more room to give itself a leg up).

https://theathletic.com/2731911/2021/07/...hollinger/

(07-27-2021, 02:19 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get this. Sure life is easier to just blindly believe what you are being told and take everything at face value. But unfortunately life doesn't go like that. Based on all the crap that came to sunlight it is totally natural that one has his doubts about things that are being said. I am not losing sleep over Harrison having full control or not, but I will not believe it until I see it.

1 I didn't say to do anything blindly. I said to listen to what is said -- but also observe if actions don't match words. So far, actions match words completely.

2 I do get the doubts, because I started at the same place (knowing Cuban's track record), but I don't believe in stubbornly holding onto them in the face of new evidence to the contrary. There have been MANY small moves made already that show the whole setup is changed.

3 Not sure why you are blindly assuming that it's all a big conspiracy. The ACTIONS certainly indicate otherwise. There's no question Nico kept his great Nike job and turned down prior overtures to be GM, and other NBA exec positions with authority and responsibility. But now he leaves that great job to accept a minion job offering a title but with no authority? That would make no sense if he's any good, and by all accounts he's in high demand.
 
At this point, I have no doubt that Nico was hired to be the GM, is the GM, and expects to stay the GM. Until we see evidence of something different, that's the situation. But if you want to tell yourself something different exists, and fail to see what is, go right ahead.

(07-27-2021, 03:04 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure why you are blindly assuming that it's all a big conspiracy.

I never said I believe it is all a big conspiracy. I said I don't believe everything is fine before I see concrete results. That is a totally different thing that you are trying to pin on me.

(07-27-2021, 03:04 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]The ACTIONS certainly indicate otherwise.

Which actions would that be? So far I didn't see any action from Harrison yet. What we did "saw" was the hiring process. 

Mavs allegedly hired a scouting agency to find best possible candidate which proved to be false news as the new circle of trust chose both coach and GM (who alegedly agreed on the coach). They didn't even do a normal interview process other teams are doing, they just "knew" Kidd is the best. Basically same with Harrison. 

What we also see is a bunch of contradicting statements. For example - Harrison said in "the infamous interview" yesterday that all opinions on key things matter, one of them being from their star player. Than "3 minutes" later he says he didn't discuss Kidd with Luka. So which one is it? It all just sounds as empty PR statements trying to say what Nico thinks guys want to hear, but they quickly exposed his bluff. I think guys yesterday really did a great job and asked a bunch of uncomfortable questions, instead of normal PR stunts we had so far, how Nico was hunted by "half the league" yet only Mavs were good enough for him to join and so on. 

(07-27-2021, 03:04 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]At this point, I have no doubt that Nico was hired to be the GM, is the GM, and expects to stay the GM. Until we see evidence of something different, that's the situation. But if you want to tell yourself something different exists, and fail to see what is, go right ahead.

That is great, happy for you. But even if you think everything is fine it doesn't erase all other possibilities that are legit possible and that some of us are concerned about. Which doesn't equate we think everything is just a great conspiracy.

It seems it has become official, I think it is a great move

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/...-the-mavs/

(07-27-2021, 03:41 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]It seems it has become official, I think it is a great move

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/euroleague/...-the-mavs/

There we go!

I wonder how mad Fenerbahce is.

(07-27-2021, 03:56 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder how mad Fenerbahce is.

I wonder how much Dallas paid. So that we won't be angry when Mavs won't buy the 2nd round pick.