(09-02-2021, 07:06 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]The signs point to Brown not going anywhere. I like it. Hot take: he could even beat out WCS and get some starts. We need rebounding and he has it. If he can screen and roll we have a steal. Why would we have a press conference for a player and Tyson work with him if he wasn’t in our plans? Maybe we targeted him in the JRich deal
I don't know. The reports at the time of the trade were that they didn't want him (or any returning player at all), but had to take him in order to dump JRich. Also, that they were holding on to him as potential trade filler, rather than counting on him for on-court purposes.
I tend to think being included in a press conference to introduce newly signed players and working out with Tyson Chandler and the Legends don't particularly indicate that a guy is here for the duration.
But this is such a weird offseason, I guess it's possible.
(09-02-2021, 07:43 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]Not saying I want him on the team, but Lance Stephenson is only 30 years old, so he's about half the age that Mike James was when he played for the mavs.
LOL.
You get my point.
Just a few weeks ago, we had visions of sugarplums dancing in our heads. Now, we're at the expired foods table, checking to see if any of the brown, shriveled items might still be okay.
(09-02-2021, 03:54 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...9752040452
Dude, if IT is anywhere close to where he was in Boston (no idea if he is) then he could help here a TON.
And @"cow" will be really happy to hear they gave Lance Stephenson a shot, I'm sure.
Probably a bad sign for those hoping DSJ is in the plans though. This seems like something that should have included him.
Bobi keeps Luka happy...Burke does zero to contribute...
I wonder what the Thunder would want in a package for Lu Dort?
He's an incredible defender and so-so scorer. Given all their draft picks coming up, my train of thought is that Dort isn't good enough to keep over one of the many lottery picks they're going to have.
Could Kleber+Terry+2nd be enough for Dort? Opens a roster spot, gives the Mavs another wing defender that's elite. Thunder get Terry who they were apparently high on in the draft last year and Kleber who's a solid role player that's about to expire.
(09-02-2021, 07:00 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Now that Lauri and Nance jr are gone, what about Boucher from Toronto?
He would fit into the TPE in a Dragic trade
If something were to happen there, I wonder if it might be part of a larger deal where Siakam goes to GS and Canadian Wiggins with some GS youth goes to Toronto. Why hasn't this already happened? Moses Moody isn't eligible to be traded until after Saturday. Maybe Wiseman goes also and GS retains Kuminga. In that version, Toronto needs to unload another deal to match salaries. They are now in full-on youth movement and won't need Boucher a year from now as they have Wiseman, Birch, Achiuwa and Barnes at the big spots plus Anunoby and Wiggins can both log minutes there also.
I'm thinking Terry goes to Toronto's youth movement. GS is down a center and a return of Willie for a year might have value. That doesn't get you Dragic, but maybe Dallas kicks in $5 million and Dragic takes a $5 million cut.
You can include Dragic in a deal, but it is more complex. Such a deal aggregates Dragic with Siakam and that can't happen until October. Or, you can break it into separate deals (Willie to GS in the first deal that nets us Boucher and Powell, Burke and Terry in a second deal for Dragic).
Dallas wouldn't have to use the TPE as Boucher and Willie are a trade match at 175% pf Willie's salary. We pick up $7mm in salary and are still under the tax by about the amount of the TPE. GS drops about $7mm in salary and a ton of LT. Toronto is doing a three for six in the second version, but has the roster slots to do that by dropping some of their non-guaranteed guys. Interesting side note. Willie, Burke and Boucher are all represented by the same agency. Interesting note number two...Wiggins and Powell were both on the Canadian Olympic roster which was coached by Nick Nurse.
(09-03-2021, 03:43 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]If something were to happen there, I wonder if it might be part of a larger deal where Siakam goes to GS and Canadian Wiggins with some GS youth goes to Toronto. Why hasn't this already happened? Moses Moody isn't eligible to be traded until after Saturday. Maybe Wiseman goes also and GS retains Kuminga. In that version, Toronto needs to unload another deal to match salaries. They are now in full-on youth movement and won't need Boucher a year from now as they have Wiseman, Birch, Achiuwa and Barnes at the big spots plus Anunoby and Wiggins can both log minutes there also.
I'm thinking Terry goes to Toronto's youth movement. GS is down a center and a return of Willie for a year might have value. That doesn't get you Dragic, but maybe Dallas kicks in $5 million and Dragic takes a $5 million cut.
You can include Dragic in a deal, but it is more complex. Such a deal aggregates Dragic with Siakam and that can't happen until October. Or, you can break it into separate deals (Willie to GS in the first deal that nets us Boucher and Powell, Burke and Terry in a second deal for Dragic).
Dallas wouldn't have to use the TPE as Boucher and Willie are a trade match at 175% pf Willie's salary. We pick up $7mm in salary and are still under the tax by about the amount of the TPE. GS drops about $7mm in salary and a ton of LT. Toronto is doing a three for six in the second version, but has the roster slots to do that by dropping some of their non-guaranteed guys. Interesting side note. Willie, Burke and Boucher are all represented by the same agency. Interesting note number two...Wiggins and Powell were both on the Canadian Olympic roster which was coached by Nick Nurse.
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Mavs essentially turn all of their dead money into 2 serviceable players *(ok Powell isn't dead money but he's about 6 mil overpaid). It's almost too good of a scenario that I think it's so out of this realm in terms of actually happening. But your logic is sound and it seems realistic from all perspectives. TOR gets some solid prospects in Wiseman/Moody and fast forwards their rebuild (don't know how they feel about Wiggins but if they get off of Dragic they're still saving money). Warriors get their 3rd (4th?) star that they need to revitalize their team. Mavs get the playmaker they've been angling for while revamping their books.
This sets them up beautifully as the roster would look like:
Luka/Dragic/Brunson
THJ/S.Brown/Green
DFS/Bullock
Kleber/Boucher
KP/Boban/M.Brown
Gives the Mavs 2 open roster spots as well. They're definitely thin at the C position, though if Moses Brown and Boucher step up they should be more than fine. Perhaps they sign one of the guys they worked out recently in Thomas/Stephenson/Monta and give the bench more firepower (read chucking).
All in all love the idea.
(09-03-2021, 04:15 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]
This sets them up beautifully as the roster would look like:
Luka/Dragic/Brunson
THJ/S.Brown/Green
DFS/Bullock
Kleber/Boucher
KP/Boban/M.Brown
Gives the Mavs 2 open roster spots as well. They're definitely thin at the C position, though if Moses Brown and Boucher step up they should be more than fine. Perhaps they sign one of the guys they worked out recently in Thomas/Stephenson/Monta and give the bench more firepower (read chucking).
All in all love the idea.
It does feel a little rich on the Dallas side of things, but Boucher is UFA in the summer.
I'll have to eat the theory on KP as a PF, but I agree on how it sets up the roster. I think Boucher and Maxi would be somewhat interchangeable in terms of who starts. Both block shots and can defend both big positions. Boucher can be a small ball center and switch things better than KP can. Once the playoffs hit, you could narrow things down to 8 fairly easily with
C/PF covered by KP/Maxi/Boucher and some minutes from DFS
Wings covered by DFS/THJ and Bullock getting minutes behind each
Ball Handling handled by Luka/Dragic
Day to day, I see it more like:
Luka/Dragic/TBD
THJ/Brunson/Brown
DFS/Bullock/Green
Maxi/(DFS/Boucher)
KP/Boucher/Moses/Boban
DSJ signed a non-guaranteed camp deal with POR yesterday. I didn’t see that posted here but may have missed it. Always had a soft spot for Lance Stephenson. It always seems Mavs need a guy with some edge—a little bag of crazy. Unfortunately, Stephenson has a Brinks truck full.
I don't really get the interest in Stephenson and Thomas. I wouldn't be surprised to see either back in the league, but at the same time I wouldn't expect what they were 4-5 years ago either. Typically once those guys disappear for a bit, they don't come back. There are exceptions though.
To be honest, if we had a spot, I would probably preferred to roll the dice with Dennis Smith.
I will admit I did watch Thomas 81 points in the summer league game highlights this morning and also watched the "best of" Stephenson highlights as well.
I would probably prefer Hernangomez if he was bought out, I think. Same if Gasol was available, but we would probably need to clear out 1-2 bigs via trade.
That workout news has me wondering if that potential Dragic trade hit a snag. All of those names are vet guys with playmaking ability. Stephenson would probably be the most interesting one because he's still only 30 and he actually played really good defense once upon a time and still has the physical tools to do so
I think it's just going through the process of turning over every rock. Looking at all possibilities is a good thing, imo.
(09-02-2021, 06:34 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]So I guess Brown isn't going anywhere?
https://twitter.com/DwainPrice/status/14...93419?s=20
This makes me happy. Brown is a young player with real potential. The Mavs don’t have many of those. I wouldn’t give up Brown at least for a year (unless it’s to acquire a very meaningful piece). The Mavs need to see what they’ve got.
(09-03-2021, 11:42 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's just going through the process of turning over every rock. Looking at all possibilities is a good thing, imo.
Or agent favors, which is probably a good thing
(09-03-2021, 01:44 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Boston/Memphis have no problem announcing deal ahead. Tampering is limited to free agents, nothing wrong with stuff like that
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1433821061364297740
To follow how the process works, we have to understand that neither BOS nor MEM has
announced this as a deal. Woj is reporting that they have come to an agreement, but there is nothing formal, or binding, at this point. This is the equivalent of what we might hear during the moratorium.
I'm still curious as to why people think Toronto is going to buy out Dragic if they haven't already? I know this Fischer guy is decent, but gold standard on Mavs stuff Stein said Toronto has no intention of buying him out. Haven't really heard anything different in that regard from a more trusted source.
Wonder if those workouts are playing some misguided game of chicken with Toronto. Like, "hey, we're gonna move on to these has beens if you don't buy him out!" lol.
(09-03-2021, 01:51 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]To follow how the process works, we have to understand that neither BOS nor MEM has announced this as a deal. Woj is reporting that they have come to an agreement, but there is nothing formal, or binding, at this point. This is the equivalent of what we might hear during the moratorium.
True.
I used the wrong term. They can't make it official till Sep15th. But I don't think they are doing anything wrong by discussing this deal before Sep 15th, while no discussion with free agents should be had before free agency start.