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(10-10-2021, 09:17 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think we were ever told that KP's injuries lead to something degenerative. 

But I also don't think "contact stuff" is the opposite of degenerative.

In this case, it pretty much is.  The two choices are degenerative chronic injuries vs injuries that happen because of contact, ***meaning*** (EDIT) it's not a chronic weakness that will keep happening regardless of contact or not.

The entire point about KP's injuries were that they were all contact things, NOT because he was breaking down.

Let's not quibble about semantics.

(10-11-2021, 02:59 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]In this case, it pretty much is.  The two choices are degenerative chronic injuries vs injuries that happen because of contact, breaking it's not a chronic weakness that will keep happening regardless of contact or not.

The entire point about KP's injuries were that they were all contact things, NOT because he was breaking down.

Let's not quibble about semantics.

I don't think this is semantics. I think it's about the definition of "degenerative". 

A contact injury is different from a degenerative condition. But they aren't opposites. Something that is degenerative is diseased tissue that, on a cellular level, deteriorates over time. I'm not a doctor, but I believe that tissue can become degenerative because of injury. But I don't think that's ever even been discussed regarding KP, until the last couple of pages of this thread. 

The reason that KP and his peeps have always emphasized that his injuries were contact injuries is because folks have been concerened that he's fragile due to his frame. If he sprained things without contact then folks would point to his stature and frame. Also, once you've had an injury, you may be more injury prone, not because the tissue has develpoped a degenerative condition, but because the repaired parts are just not as strong and structurally sound as they used to be. 

Anyway, there are people here that could explain this better than I, but I think I'm on the right track. Degenerative disease in tissue is different from being injury prone due to loss of strenght or structural integrity because of prior injury. 

In short. 

You guys keep using that word. I don't think that word means what you think it means.

(10-11-2021, 02:59 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]In this case, it pretty much is.  The two choices are degenerative chronic injuries vs injuries that happen because of contact, breaking it's not a chronic weakness that will keep happening regardless of contact or not.

The entire point about KP's injuries were that they were all contact things, NOT because he was breaking down.

Let's not quibble about semantics.

Not really. This would suggest that the risk to suffer from a contact related injury or other external risks is equal for all players. But that´s obviously not the case. Player one can twist his ankle without anything happening. Player two can end up with a season ending ligament injury. Obviously a oversimplification but it is easy to understand the difference. How many times did Dirk twist his ankle without suffering a major injury compared to other players like Curry.

In KPs case it is difficult to figure it out. It´s not like he tore his ACL because somebody smashed his knee. He dunked the ball. Giannis made contact in the air and KP lost his balance. Hard to tell what exactly happened but I think he hyperextended his knee. Each case is different and for lack of words randomness or luck involved. Maybe another player walks away without any injury. For example...Giannis. He hyperextended his knee in the playoff series against the Hawks (looked way worse than the KP injury but that obviously doesn´t mean a lot) without suffering severe ligament injuries.

Per definition KP isn´t suffering from degenerative knee issues. At least as far as we know. But it also doesn´t mean that KP isn´t among the more injury-prone players.
It is hard to come up with a word but there is a difference between being just unlucky. Ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time. And being less durable. More likely to suffer from similar contact/impact than other players.

And it also doesn´t mean that the two old injuries will not impact his future as a basketball player. Not to start another medical discussion but there is a clear connection between a torn ACL and future meniscus/cartilage issues. Also the potential impact of scar tissue. Leading to chronic knee pain or limited stability/mobility.
Injuries take a toll on the body. Surgeries as well. And outside of @"KillerLeft"  and @"Kammrath" we haven´t really mentioned the mental aspect. Even if he regained 100%  functionality after both injuries (very unlikely, basically never happens) he might not be willing to risk another injury.

I still disagree with both of you, you know what I'm talking about, but you just keep running that.

(10-11-2021, 10:15 AM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/status/14...90439?s=20

Dirk doing his job.

Agreed, but why isn't KP with them as well?

McMahon tweet about KP hating Luka and Dirk incoming...

I'm going to take the angle of "Wow I absolutely am in love our former superstar franchise cornerstone is hanging out with our new superstar franchise cornerstone and seem to be enjoying each others company"

Honestly gives me fuzzie feels that Luka likes hanging out with Dirk and joke around with each other as evidenced here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWeTZQCnS7s&ab_channel=BleacherReport

It also makes me very happy to see that after the game they all went to Cubes mega mansion for a nice bbq where KP and Boban were in attendance.

(10-11-2021, 04:11 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]How many times did Dirk twist his ankle without suffering a major injury compared to other players like Curry.

I agree that Dirk seemed almost invulnerable to ankle issues. Often would continue to play, then only miss one (or none) games.


But wasn't it ankle/lower leg issues that derailed his last few seasons? Maybe a cumulative effect of a lifetime of running and jumping combined with multiple "minor" injuries?

But I'm no doctor and I haven't stayed at a HI Express for two years now.

(10-11-2021, 05:16 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]I still disagree with both of you, you know what I'm talking about, but you just keep running that.

Bama, I like how you, when you get your teeth in an argument, you don't let go!  

Now that I think I know how you're using the word degenerative, and that you're not concerned about finding a word that doesn't already have a different definition, yes, I think I know what you're talking about. You're talking about KP possibly being injury prone due to prior injuries. 

Before, I honestly thought you guys might have thought that KP might actually have a medically defined degenerative condition.

Whatever you call it, we are all going to hold our breath every time KP falls, or gets knocked down, or goes to the rim in traffic. If he can make it through this regular season relatively unscathed and remain a contributor in the playoffs, then he will have had a successful campaign.

In all honesty, the holding-your-breath thing probably applies to himself as well.

(10-12-2021, 09:21 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that Dirk seemed almost invulnerable to ankle issues. Often would continue to play, then only miss one (or none) games.


But wasn't it ankle/lower leg issues that derailed his last few seasons? Maybe a cumulative effect of a lifetime of running and jumping combined with multiple "minor" injuries?

But I'm no doctor and I haven't stayed at a HI Express for two years now.

It certainly adds up. Dirk underwent knee surgery in 2012 and honestly was never the same player afterwards. If I understand it correctly it wasn´t about any structural damage. More of a clean out (scar tissue, cartilage) after more than 15 years of pro sports. The knee surgery killed his lateral quickness and turned a once neutral/slightly positive defender into a liability.

The last ankle injury was very similar. Debridement. Cleaning out the joint. Dirk himself mentioned bone spurs as the main problem. Sadly it didn´t help. To quote Dirk "arthritis in every joint after 20 years in the league". 

I guess in the big picture one could argue that being a pro athlet in a sport like basketball leads to degenerative injury issues.

My wife loves gardening, but she does more than just trim rosebushes. Still mows, uses weedeater, digs up and transplants various beds, prunes fruit trees, etc. Has the scars to prove it. She's not petite, but not a big person either. I tell her she's the only person I know who does full-contact gardening.

Now, as age starts creeping in, she's fighting stiffness and pain in her hands and wrists almost daily. Still functional, but paying a price.

As they say, youth is truly wasted on the young. 

(10-12-2021, 09:51 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Bama, I like how you, when you get your teeth in an argument, you don't let go!  

Now that I think I know how you're using the word degenerative, and that you're not concerned about finding a word that doesn't already have a different definition, yes, I think I know what you're talking about. You're talking about KP possibly being injury prone due to prior injuries. 

Before, I honestly thought you guys might have thought that KP might actually have a medically defined degenerative condition.

Josh Green needs to read that article...and work on his shooting as hard as DFS did...

(10-12-2021, 06:26 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Green needs to read that article...and work on his shooting as hard as DFS did...

I´m sure it´s not a lack of trying that Giannis still can´t make a FT or jumpshot. If working hard was enough to reach NBA skills, nobody in the NBA would ever miss a jumpshot, cause playing basketball is probably a lot more fun than being a cleaning lady or a janitor and it pays better, too.  

Maybe a different coach can show/teach him a different way and it will just click, but I´d say in 80-90% of cases it´s not a lack of trying, but a lack of being able to execute the task.

(10-13-2021, 02:43 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I´m sure it´s not a lack of trying that Giannis still can´t make a FT or jumpshot. If working hard was enough to reach NBA skills, nobody in the NBA would ever miss a jumpshot, cause playing basketball is probably a lot more fun than being a cleaning lady or a janitor and it pays better, too.  

Maybe a different coach can show/teach him a different way and it will just click, but I´d say in 80-90% of cases it´s not a lack of trying, but a lack of being able to execute the task.

Agree to an extent. You can't get better if you don't work hard at it, but the clicking part is the hardest thing involved. 

Wasn't Luka an 80ish% FT shooter in Europe or something? He comes here and is 73.5% over 3 years. Something's gotta click cause I can't believe Luka isn't working hard to figure it out. I always thought with the "ice in veins" factor he has going on that FTs would never be a problem for him, but here we are.

(10-13-2021, 04:19 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Agree to an extent. You can't get better if you don't work hard at it, but the clicking part is the hardest thing involved. 

Wasn't Luka an 80ish% FT shooter in Europe or something? He comes here and is 73.5% over 3 years. Something's gotta click cause I can't believe Luka isn't working hard to figure it out. I always thought with the "ice in veins" factor he has going on that FTs would never be a problem for him, but here we are.

He should make FT trickshots every time.

Read the DFS article, the followed the link to the Eugene O. article. 

EO says:

“It’s my rookie year, but I’m not the same as a lot of rookies,” Omoruyi said. “I’m mature and I know I’ve got to come in and play my role and do whatever I can to affect the game.

I like what he's shown in the summer league and preseason. Maybe the second coming of Eddie Najera? Defense and a lot of hustle, but will make you pay if you go to sleep on him.