(11-12-2021, 03:36 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Do KP and DP even play together with Brunson?
Thanks to @"Thukydides" we now know that DP+KP have ONLY played with Luka, every single minute (78 of them to be exact).
(11-12-2021, 03:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I guess my point was this: With Luka playing I have felt exactly like you are describing. But when JB has played this year I have felt like the offense was quite good (a tick down from last year, but easily top level NBA quality) and the numbers definitely back that up.
So I am still just left baffling at why there is a discrepancy. Luka has elevated the Mavs offense for three straight years and now it looks lost. Yet when JB plays the offense still looks good. I just don't get it.
So, it seems like you're all in on "luka has become less effective due to diet/conditioning." (I realize that's a slight oversimplification). I think that's a factor and NOT crazy.
But, here's some more oversimplified takes that I believe could help to explain this stuff, too:
If I ran a team, when my backup PG was in the game, I'd keep the plan MUCH more simple, for his sake. This, of course, would have to apply to those sharing the court with him, by default. Understanding to the bone makes players more ready to just "react instinctively" as I believe you have pointed out before.
Even if you don't buy into the paragraph above at all (I don't see why you wouldn't, it makes all the sense in the world to me) what if Brunson, due to having better skills than Luka with the English language, has edged ahead of Luka
temporarily with his understanding of this new system? What if Luka is struggling
temporarily to both know what to do, himself, and to communicate it to his teammates in live time, due to its newness and his language? This is literally just spitballing on my part, but then again, Brunson's leadership qualities
are probably more second nature to him than they are to Luka.
(11-12-2021, 03:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]If I ran a team, when my backup PG was in the game, I'd keep the plan MUCH more simple, for his sake. This, of course, would have to apply to those sharing the court with him, by default. Understanding to the bone makes players more ready to just "react instinctively" as I believe you have pointed out before.
Even if you don't buy into the paragraph above at all (I don't see why you wouldn't, it makes all the sense in the world to me) what if Brunson, due to having better skills than Luka with the English language, has edged ahead of Luka temporarily with his understanding of this new system? What if Luka is struggling temporarily to both know what to do, himself, and to communicate it to his teammates in live time, due to its newness and his language? This is literally just spitballing on my part, but then again, Brunson's leadership qualities are probably more second nature to him than they are to Luka.
I am ALL IN on Luka's physical state being PART of the issue. I do not think it is 100% of what we are seeing. I just don't know how much it is contributing so I am exploring all these things right.
I think your two suggestions are legit options. I am seeking the truth right now, I don't have the answers, I just know the data I have seen and I am trying to interpret it.
Earlier I saw someone ask if Kidd's offence is designed to make KP tradeable. I think it is being used right now to make both KP and JB tradeable.
On the other hand, what if Luka just has not bought in to Kidd as coach?
(11-12-2021, 03:46 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]Earlier I saw someone ask if Kidd's offence is designed to make KP tradeable. I think it is being used right now to make both KP and JB tradeable.
I would not be shocked by either thing, honestly. I am 100% comfortable with what is happening if this is the case.
(11-12-2021, 03:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is literally just spitballing on my part
We're all spitballing. It's fun. And I think we're hitting on some good stuff
(11-12-2021, 03:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Even if you don't buy into the paragraph above at all (I don't see why you wouldn't, it makes all the sense in the world to me) what if Brunson, due to having better skills than Luka with the English language, has edged ahead of Luka temporarily with his understanding of this new system? What if Luka is struggling temporarily to both know what to do, himself, and to communicate it to his teammates in live time, due to its newness and his language? This is literally just spitballing on my part, but then again, Brunson's leadership qualities are probably more second nature to him than they are to Luka.
There has actually been a little reporting on this. When Kidd came in, he wanted more vocal leadership on the court. Luka would have been the natural choice, but his English just isn't very good. So they went to Hardaway for that, and Kidd likes the job he is doing. (Although Brunson apparently wasn't the anointed choice for primary vocal leader, it could still well be that he is better able to communicate in live time than the players for whom English is not their native language. I would buy it.)
(11-12-2021, 03:46 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]On the other hand, what if Luka just has not bought in to Kidd as coach?
I personally don't see this, but I don't think we can eliminate it as a possibility.
(11-12-2021, 03:53 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]So they went to Hardaway for that, and Kidd likes the job he is doing.
And I'm sure that's correct - I'm sure Hardaway is doing a good job.
But, he isn't the one with the ball during real-time game situations. Luka and Brunson are, and in a situation wherein everyone is learning new stuff as quickly as possible, I don't have to strain my Mavs-homer brain very hard to imagine that the native English speaker is better equipped to A) pick up on things faster, himself, and B) get more comfortable shouting out instructions to his teammates, based on the matchups he sees while bringing the ball up the court.
It ISN'T a dig on Luka, either. Just means it might take longer than we expect.
I sure HOPE the problems stem from things like this, rather than the idea that Kidd/Kokoskov have empowered everyone to go out and play YMCA basketball.
(11-12-2021, 03:53 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I personally don't see this, but I don't think we can eliminate it as a possibility.
Then I hope it is just that Luka is still tired from playing in the Olympics.
(11-12-2021, 12:52 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/11/12/j-j...and-trade/
Thanks for this. I don’t think this is too hard to figure out. Miami could pay Redick $16mm to not play just as easily as they are paying Dragic $19mm to not play. Green is the Achiuwa recent draft piece. Fill in with a small expiring contract.
Dallas must have thought they had a chance on Lowry and were hell bent on staying over the cap to accomplish that. Who knows? Maybe they had intel that Toronto wanted to trade him out of conference. Personally I would have preferred going under the cap and doing Holmes/THJ, but it would have cost us Bullock (who looked like a good consolation prize).
I haven’t been too hard on them because we didn’t know the market for Holmes would dry up like it did and I like the Bullock signing. We also couldn’t know Frank would sign here (and might not have without urging from Bullock). Given the way the schemes (or lack thereof) are working, I’m not sure Holmes does anything to help our offense right now. Of course, the attraction was his D and rebounding while pushing Powell/Maxi to the bench. But, if we are going to go single big KP in the playoffs (and the Powell/KP lineups are just to protect KP), Bullock was the better signing anyway.
(11-12-2021, 06:18 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for this. I don’t think this is too hard to figure out. Miami could pay Redick $16mm to not play just as easily as they are paying Dragic $19mm to not play. Green is the Achiuwa recent draft piece. Fill in with a small expiring contract.
Dallas must have thought they had a chance on Lowry and were hell bent on staying over the cap to accomplish that. Who knows? Maybe they had intel that Toronto wanted to trade him out of conference. Personally I would have preferred going under the cap and doing Holmes/THJ, but it would have cost us Bullock (who looked like a good consolation prize).
I haven’t been too hard on them because we didn’t know the market for Holmes would dry up like it did and I like the Bullock signing. We also couldn’t know Frank would sign here (and might not have without urging from Bullock). Given the way the schemes (or lack thereof) are working, I’m not sure Holmes does anything to help our offense right now. Of course, the attraction was his D and rebounding while pushing Powell/Maxi to the bench. But, if we are going to go single big KP in the playoffs (and the Powell/KP lineups are just to protect KP), Bullock was the better signing anyway.
Yeah, that is interesting.
Regarding Bullock, what are your thoughts of next year with DFS and Bullock being both on the roster? It is my opinion, one of them will be gone. Right now, DFS is not looking like a 10 million a year player, but if I had to guess he picks up his game and next offseason will be looking at a 8-10 million dollar deal.
I just don't know if it is smart to tie yourselves to 20 million for two guys who still lack one of the main skills we need. Both are good players and both bring different benefits. Bullock is a guy the new leadership brought in, so he may have the advantage.
It would suck to lose DFS for nothing, but I don't know if I can justify carrying both next year. I think you may be able to use Green (hopefully), Eugene or maybe a rookie to play 15-20 minutes. Thoughts?
(11-12-2021, 06:29 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, that is interesting.
Regarding Bullock, what are your thoughts of next year with DFS and Bullock being both on the roster? It is my opinion, one of them will be gone. Right now, DFS is not looking like a 10 million a year player, but if I had to guess he picks up his game and next offseason will be looking at a 8-10 million dollar deal.
I just don't know if it is smart to tie yourselves to 20 million for two guys who still lack one of the main skills we need. Both are good players and both bring different benefits. Bullock is a guy the new leadership brought in, so he may have the advantage.
It would suck to lose DFS for nothing, but I don't know if I can justify carrying both next year. I think you may be able to use Green (hopefully), Eugene or maybe a rookie to play 15-20 minutes. Thoughts?
So, I’ll apologize in advance for copping out on this and saying I need to see more. If Powell weren’t everyone’s favorite punching bag, it might be Finney. He’s playing like crap. I suspect they will figure something out before long, but we can’t know until we see it. Two years ago this lineup was killing it. Now it is getting killed. It makes little sense. The only real change is the coach.
I tend to agree with your $ range. The problem is we really don’t have someone else who can play 3/4 and we definitely have a need there that I don’t think Bullock can fill. Everyone is looking for that guy, so absent some big trade my leaning is to keep both. I would not hesitate to put DFS in a deal nor would I hesitate to spend $8-$10mm on him (unless this mess continues for 82 games).
(11-12-2021, 06:44 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Finney. He’s playing like crap.
Is he
playing like crap, or just
shooting like crap?
I realize that shooting is a large portion of what he's asked to do, especially on one end of the court, but I wonder if a distinction would be appropriate. Maybe you don't think so, and that might be valid, given that the majority of the team's issues are offensive/spacing related.
Looking forward to the Luka smelling the beer memes.