What if, Tyrell Terry is ready to make that backup PG leap? JKidd is here. No one better to train a PG, in theory. No need to trade for a backup PG in that case. Could go for all the guard-types. Ballhandling drills. Develop ballhandlers.
(08-05-2021, 04:02 AM)RedFlag41 Wrote: [ -> ]It looks like the Mavs prefer to wait for a Dragic buy-out and potentially sign him using the Traded Player Exception. If that is so, who wpuld you target to trade Powell, WCS, and Burke for that can make thr Mavs better? Who can the Mavs get with thpse trade pieces?
Slight amendment to what you wrote. The buyout (for less than 100-cents on the dollar) would allow Dallas to sign Dragic using the MLE, not the TPE. We would need NY to send up Bullock via the TPE in order to be able to use the MLE on Dragic.
If this is the plan, there is one other party who might need to give something up. The assumption is Dragic would give up $9.5mm and then get $9.5mm from Dallas. In that case, Toronto is paying $12mm for Precious. I get that they might want to do their franchise hero a solid by helping him get to his preferred destination. But, $10mm is a lot to do someone a solid. Maybe Miami is making up $5mm of that. Still, $7mm is too much for Precious. So, how bad does Dragic want this?
To answer your question, if you get Dragic and fill that bench/secondary playmaker, then I like Powell for Markkanen. I'd bring him off the bench to minimize his time on court with KP. The good news is both LM and GD want to be here. Who knows who will start (I like Bullock as he and Finney-Smith together really helps the D in the starting unit).
KP/WCS Boban/Moses
Maxi/LM
DFS/THJ Green
Bullock/Dragic Brown/Burke
Luka/Brunson Terry
(08-05-2021, 03:58 AM)david75090 Wrote: [ -> ]Dragic, yes
19M, no
Does it really make a difference if they operate over the cap? Next year's capspace (if there will be any) is not affected as it's an expiring.
(08-05-2021, 06:44 AM)Halfnir Wrote: [ -> ]Does it really make a difference if they operate over the cap? Next year's capspace (if there will be any) is not affected as it's an expiring.
My take is that this is public negotiating in an effort not to part with either Terry, Brunson or Green, any of whom Toronto might be asking for, and I think that's a good thing to avoid conceding in this deal if you're Dallas.
But, if the $19 million angle is actually true, then it has to be one of two things: either Dallas has something else going for this off-season that they still want to accomplish or Cuban literally doesn't want to
raise the level of guaranteed money he'll be out of pocket for
this season.
Three possibilities there, imo, and two of them could potentially be good. The other would be sad, sad, sad. But, it's not our money!
(08-04-2021, 10:30 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]For the cap/CBA experts.
Current situation: Lack of roster spots in an over the cap situation with an unbalanced roster. As far as I know the Mavs can simply waive Moses Brown. What would happen if the Mavs do the same with some of the end of the bench vets (thinking about Burke). Any punishment (hard cap or something similar)?
Moses gets $500k of his $1.7mm non-guaranteed contract. Spotrac indicates that was activated when he was traded from OKC to Boston in June.
You just carry Burke's salary on the books. It doesn't impact rosters. Rosters are expanded right now anyway. It can be a S/W or a straight cut (both impacting the Mav's salary sheet for more than one year). Or, Burke and Dallas could negotiate something similar to what we are talking about with Dragic.
(08-05-2021, 06:51 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]But, if the $19 million angle is actually true, then it has to be one of two things: either Dallas has something else going for this off-season that they still want to accomplish or Cuban literally doesn't want to raise the level of guaranteed money he'll be out of pocket for this season.
Three possibilities there, imo, and two of them could potentially be good. The other would be sad, sad, sad. But, it's not our money!
I think we can put the "Cuban is cheap" version of this to rest. The issue isn't that Dragic is costing $19mm. He's not. You have to look at his net cost and we have to send out $14.4mm to match. So, the net cost is only $5mm in a trade matched situation. There is no version where we are taking on an extra $19mm to get Dragic.
(08-05-2021, 06:44 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Slight amendment to what you wrote. The buyout (for less than 100-cents on the dollar) would allow Dallas to sign Dragic using the MLE, not the TPE. We would need NY to send up Bullock via the TPE in order to be able to use the MLE on Dragic.
If this is the plan, there is one other party who might need to give something up. The assumption is Dragic would give up $9.5mm and then get $9.5mm from Dallas. In that case, Toronto is paying $12mm for Precious. I get that they might want to do their franchise hero a solid by helping him get to his preferred destination. But, $10mm is a lot to do someone a solid. Maybe Miami is making up $5mm of that. Still, $7mm is too much for Precious. So, how bad does Dragic want this?
Toronto should have known what they were doing. I don´t really get why they didn´t ask for more to take on Dragics 19 Mio.
They can try what the Grizzlies did and hold on to him until the TDL, but that ended not well for them. Or they can find some other trade partner for Dragic. Or they can take what he will give up in a buyout.
(08-05-2021, 06:44 AM)Halfnir Wrote: [ -> ]Does it really make a difference if they operate over the cap? Next year's capspace (if there will be any) is not affected as it's an expiring.
We lose Powell and his salary plus something else. Why would we do this if we can have him "for free"
(08-05-2021, 06:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]So, the net cost is only $5mm in a trade matched situation.
That's my point, though.
If true, and I don't think it is, THAT amount of money being the problem would be sad! Like I said though, just seems like negotiating publicly to me.
Nowhere have I ever suggested the Mavs would be taking on an
additional $19 million. Not sure how you got that impression. But, several people around here have taken that Stein note as overt and sincere reasoning by the Mavs, so I was just taking it seriously as a possibility (though really I don't).
(08-05-2021, 06:51 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]But, if the $19 million angle is actually true,
This is on me, Dan. The above doesn't accurately convey my meaning. Should read:
"But, if the Stein note about the Mavs not wanting Dragic at $19 million is actually true"
I think everyone gets that Powell + would be outgoing, and that it wouldn't be adding $19 million on top. But, while I don't think it's the case, isn't it
possible that Cuban
might balk at that $5 million?
(08-05-2021, 07:12 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is on me, Dan. The above doesn't accurately convey my meaning. Should read:
"But, if the Stein note about the Mavs not wanting Dragic at $19 million is actually true"
I think everyone gets that Powell + would be outgoing, and that it wouldn't be adding $19 million on top. But, while I don't think it's the case, isn't it possible that Cuban might balk at that $5 million?
Yeah, it is kind of unimaginable to me that the net $5mm would be an issue. Especially if the work-around is spending the $9.5mm MLE. I think there are better theories as to what separates the various parties.
(08-05-2021, 06:44 AM)Halfnir Wrote: [ -> ]Does it really make a difference if they operate over the cap? Next year's capspace (if there will be any) is not affected as it's an expiring.
(08-05-2021, 07:12 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is on me, Dan. The above doesn't accurately convey my meaning. Should read:
"But, if the Stein note about the Mavs not wanting Dragic at $19 million is actually true"
I think everyone gets that Powell + would be outgoing, and that it wouldn't be adding $19 million on top. But, while I don't think it's the case, isn't it possible that Cuban might balk at that $5 million?
It´s possible, but it´s also possible they want to add 5 picks and we don´t want them.
It´s more likely we just want to keep Powell and and an asset.
(08-05-2021, 01:59 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]They guy barely looked like a basketball player last season then took off for mental health issues.
These two things could be very related. We may not have seen the "real" player at all last year.
I'm very curious to see how he plays this year (whether that's for the Mavs or for Toronto or some other trade destination).
(08-05-2021, 04:34 AM)david75090 Wrote: [ -> ]What if, Tyrell Terry is ready to make that backup PG leap? JKidd is here. No one better to train a PG, in theory. No need to trade for a backup PG in that case. Could go for all the guard-types. Ballhandling drills. Develop ballhandlers.
We have had Shamgod and still most players cannot dribble and make a move without it resulting in a disaster...
(08-05-2021, 06:44 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Slight amendment to what you wrote. The buyout (for less than 100-cents on the dollar) would allow Dallas to sign Dragic using the MLE, not the TPE. We would need NY to send up Bullock via the TPE in order to be able to use the MLE on Dragic.
If this is the plan, there is one other party who might need to give something up. The assumption is Dragic would give up $9.5mm and then get $9.5mm from Dallas. In that case, Toronto is paying $12mm for Precious. I get that they might want to do their franchise hero a solid by helping him get to his preferred destination. But, $10mm is a lot to do someone a solid. Maybe Miami is making up $5mm of that. Still, $7mm is too much for Precious. So, how bad does Dragic want this?
To answer your question, if you get Dragic and fill that bench/secondary playmaker, then I like Powell for Markkanen. I'd bring him off the bench to minimize his time on court with KP. The good news is both LM and GD want to be here. Who knows who will start (I like Bullock as he and Finney-Smith together really helps the D in the starting unit).
KP/WCS Boban/Moses
Maxi/LM
DFS/THJ Green
Bullock/Dragic Brown/Burke
Luka/Brunson Terry
I seriously doubt we spent over 18 mil a year on THJ to put him on the bench, and if that's the case it makes this offseason even worse.
(08-05-2021, 08:12 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]over 18 mil a year on THJ
Just for clarity, it is $16.1-$16.5M to start.
(08-05-2021, 08:37 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Just for clarity, it is $16.1-$16.5M to start.
Yeah, but the point is still valid, imo.
We
know Hardaway wants to start, and though I have no problem with the contract, it
is a notable commitment. If both parties re-upped without reaching a consensus on what his role is going to be, at least starting out with the new coach, I'd find that pretty shocking.
I'd bet a lot of money he's a starter for at least the first half of the season, and probably past that unless things go terribly wrong.
(08-05-2021, 12:15 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Or the Mavs never talked a word to Toronto.
Do you believe that? From what we hear, these guys (team reps) talk all the time! Plus you have Duffy, Dragic's agent involved. Can't imagine that they haven't talked and all these reports are just made up out of thin air.
(08-05-2021, 04:34 AM)david75090 Wrote: [ -> ]What if, Tyrell Terry is ready to make that backup PG leap? JKidd is here. No one better to train a PG, in theory. No need to trade for a backup PG in that case. Could go for all the guard-types. Ballhandling drills. Develop ballhandlers.
That would be awesome, but TT is essentially going in to his rookie season
(08-05-2021, 06:51 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]But, if the $19 million angle is actually true, then it has to be one of two things: either Dallas has something else going for this off-season that they still want to accomplish or...
I either think this is true, or just want it to be true. Sometimes I can't tell the difference.
(08-05-2021, 08:52 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, but the point is still valid, imo.
We know Hardaway wants to start, and though I have no problem with the contract, it is a notable commitment. If both parties re-upped without reaching a consensus on what his role is going to be, at least starting out with the new coach, I'd find that pretty shocking.
I'd bet a lot of money he's a starter for at least the first half of the season, and probably past that unless things go terribly wrong.
The irony is that I agree with Dan's lineup. It would be better defensively (which we need) and probably good enough offensively (Luka and 4 shooters). But if that is the case, then why did we spend that large contract on THJ if he does not fit in the starting lineup? So far we have not gotten any value with operating over the cap (and I'm skeptical we will). If we could not have landed a better defensive wing (Ball/Powell) then we would have been better off splitting the remaining 24 mil across two quality MLE players (Jackson, Caruso, Green, McDermott) then spending it on THJ and WCS.