Yeah, "fine." This is why they should have tried harder for Markannen. There is absolutely no backup plan for a KP injury.
(10-27-2021, 01:52 PM)Moviemavguy Wrote: [ -> ]There is absolutely no backup plan for a KP injury.
DP, Maxi, Boban, WCS, Moses....five backups to be exact.
(10-27-2021, 01:52 PM)Moviemavguy Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, "fine." This is why they should have tried harder for Markannen. There is absolutely no backup plan for a KP injury.
Agree but I think we would’ve ended up with him if Portland wouldn’t have been willing to give up that first round pick in that deal.
I still think we might be able to get him at the deadline because I don’t think Cleveland brought him in to be a long-term part of the team. I can’t imagine that they view starting him at the 3 as something they want to do moving forward. He’s just an asset for them to flip. The question is what would we be willing to give them?
(10-27-2021, 02:47 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: [ -> ]Agree but I think we would’ve ended up with him if Portland wouldn’t have been willing to give up that first round pick in that deal.
Exactly. And that is an overpay IMO.
(10-27-2021, 02:53 PM)embellisher Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. And that is an overpay IMO.
Sucks to because I think he would’ve been a great fit here. Unfortunately there’s always some desperate team that screws everything up. I still can’t believe Portland was willing to give up a first and not even get the best player in the deal. They did it for freaking Larry Nance instead.
(10-27-2021, 02:55 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: [ -> ]Sucks to because I think he would’ve been a great fit here. Unfortunately there’s always some desperate team that screws everything up. I still can’t believe Portland was willing to give up a first and not even get the best player in the deal. They did it for freaking Larry Nance instead.
I said it the day it went down, and I'll say it again. They will regret that trade and Cleveland will regret that contract.
This COVID protocols conversation is such a drag.
I never left the KP trade train.
It seems like a never ending nightmare that needs to be over.
SMH 3 games into the season and he is already hurt.
(10-27-2021, 07:07 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]I never left the KP trade train.
It seems like a never ending nightmare that needs to be over.
SMH 3 games into the season and he is already hurt.
Yeah we need to just bite the bullet and trade him by the deadline. Whatever we can get, and hope to god we don't have to give up assets to do it. Even if he wasn't injured, he insists on posting up even though he's not good at it at all. He's not as bad as he's looked so far, but I don't think he'll ever get to the level we need him to be at. Time to move on and try to get out of that contract. I can't believe Cuban was stupid enough to sign him to a contract with no injury protections.
(10-27-2021, 07:17 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah we need to just bite the bullet and trade him by the deadline. Whatever we can get, and hope to god we don't have to give up assets to do it. Even if he wasn't injured, he insists on posting up even though he's not good at it at all. He's not as bad as he's looked so far, but I don't think he'll ever get to the level we need him to be at. Time to move on and try to get out of that contract. I can't believe Cuban was stupid enough to sign him to a contract with no injury protections.
I agree I would venture to say that Luka does not know how to play with a stretch 5. If you notice how Luka uses big men, he is more comfortable with a traditional big. We saw it in his rookie year with Jordan.
Its crazy the MBT has not seen this but yes I agree we need to just move on and wipe ourselves of all failures made by Donnie and the old front office.
(10-27-2021, 07:50 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]Its crazy the MBT has not seen this but yes I agree we need to just move on and wipe ourselves of all failures made by Donnie and the old front office.
I'm sure the KP conundrum. We even had smoke last season about trades being explored. They probably just didn't get many attractive offers. Hope spring eternal and whatnot this past offseason, so I'd guess with KP finally having a healthy offseason and a new coaching regime, the plan was to see if that could help right this ship. It's probably too early to overreact, but his percentages aren't great and if he misses our next game...I don't know. On the plus side, his body language has been much better and he is moving better on the defensive end. I do think he's a prime candidate for needing a fresh start and maybe he needs to be THE guy on a team, I just struggle to think who would trade for him. I mentioned this in another thread but with his contract and injury history, we might be looking at return of what Barnes got us when we trade him to the Kings. And while that might be okay from a cap saving standpoint, we just added a bunch of pressure on Nico to fill that second star role.
(10-27-2021, 08:08 PM)CoachCarlisle Wrote: [ -> ]This probably made sense in your head
He's old and he's ignorant. How does that make me a bigot?
Oh wait you liked his anti mask post. Says about all I need to know.
The fact that you created an account just to cry about his post says all I need to know about you. And just in case we’re keeping score you’ve now referenced your hatred of old people twice.
(10-27-2021, 07:50 PM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]I agree I would venture to say that Luka does not know how to play with a stretch 5. If you notice how Luka uses big men, he is more comfortable with a traditional big. We saw it in his rookie year with Jordan.
Its crazy the MBT has not seen this but yes I agree we need to just move on and wipe ourselves of all failures made by Donnie and the old front office.
I'm not sure I follow this? Didn't this team have the best offense in the history of the NBA 2 years ago with Luka and stretch KP? Hell the starters had an offensive rating of 124 last year. I don't think offense is the problem with these two when properly coached.
The real issue is that we need KP to space the floor, run occasional P&R and P&P, stay focused on defense, and get 20/10 with 2 blocks a game. He is more than capable of this but we have only seen it for half a season due to injury, recovery from injury and moping.
(10-28-2021, 12:08 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure I follow this? Didn't this team have the best offense in the history of the NBA 2 years ago with Luka and stretch KP? Hell the starters had an offensive rating of 124 last year. I don't think offense is the problem with these two when properly coached.
The real issue is that we need KP to space the floor, run occasional P&R and P&P, stay focused on defense, and get 20/10 with 2 blocks a game. He is more than capable of this but we have only seen it for half a season due to injury, recovery from injury and moping.
Can you tell me how you know KP moped last year like everyone on this board claims?
Who in the front office/coaching staff/players publicly outed KP as acting like a cry baby?
I see so many people on here claim shit that they cant know unless they are in the Mavs Organization. THey spit this stuff as fact all around this board.
If people here work within the Mavs Org...why is it such a secret?
KP seems to handle himself very well in interviews. I see way more bitching and passive aggressive behavior from other athletes in interviews and no one calls them babies. I dont get it.
(10-27-2021, 08:11 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sure the KP conundrum. We even had smoke last season about trades being explored. They probably just didn't get many attractive offers. Hope spring eternal and whatnot this past offseason, so I'd guess with KP finally having a healthy offseason and a new coaching regime, the plan was to see if that could help right this ship. It's probably too early to overreact, but his percentages aren't great and if he misses our next game...I don't know. On the plus side, his body language has been much better and he is moving better on the defensive end. I do think he's a prime candidate for needing a fresh start and maybe he needs to be THE guy on a team, I just struggle to think who would trade for him. I mentioned this in another thread but with his contract and injury history, we might be looking at return of what Barnes got us when we trade him to the Kings. And while that might be okay from a cap saving standpoint, we just added a bunch of pressure on Nico to fill that second star role.
The problem is it is too late for a Barnes trade. We can't do anything with that cap space due to Luka extension. If we were going to do something like that, it would have had to be in the offseason when we could have made some use of that extra cap. Our track record has not been great on using cap space, but at a minimum we could of snagged Holmes and gone harder at someone like Powell. Right now a Holmes/DFS/Luka/Bullock/Powell looks pretty good.
Now that cap space is useless, I don't see any chance we trade him until he generates some market value (which may be never).
I am amazed at the people who, when the question arises as to why so many came to the the opening Mavs game "dressed as empty seats" (as Dandy Don used to say), are going nuts over the opinion that the mask mandate at Mavs games has an adverse impact on attendance. Venomous personal attacks, even, for simply offering the idea? Creating straw men out of my words to be able to attack me for things I never said? Taking the time to create a user name just for such attacks? Such silliness. Too funny.
Actions have consequences, and I've merely suggested that's probably what we're seeing. If you don't realize that people do what they enjoy doing, or don't understand that altering the experience being offered can impact Mavs attendance, maybe you should.