Pretty sure degenerative issues get worse, not better. We were told KP’s situation was degenerative, how in the world is he then feeling and looking better?
Still doesn’t change my stance that we need to bring up his value and trade him before he gets injured again.
I have not seen any report saying that KP's issues were degenerative but was caused by contact injuries.
(10-10-2021, 08:06 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty sure degenerative issues get worse, not better. We were told KP’s situation was degenerative, how in the world is he then feeling and looking better?
Still doesn’t change my stance that we need to bring up his value and trade him before he gets injured again.
We were told the EXACT opposite of that.... That his injuries were all contact stuff.
See that is the way fake news gets going
(10-10-2021, 08:06 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty sure degenerative issues get worse, not better. We were told KP’s situation was degenerative, how in the world is he then feeling and looking better?
(10-10-2021, 09:03 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]We were told the EXACT opposite of that.... That his injuries were all contact stuff.
I don't think we were ever told that KP's injuries lead to something degenerative.
But I also don't think "contact stuff" is the opposite of degenerative.
(10-10-2021, 08:17 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: wait-what-john-krasinski.gif]](https://c.tenor.com/Hohe3ox23TEAAAAd/wait-what-john-krasinski.gif)
Can’t believe you guys haven’t read this from KL and Dirkfan. I should be posting this to you!
(10-10-2021, 09:17 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think we were ever told that KP's injuries lead to something degenerative.
But I also don't think "contact stuff" is the opposite of degenerative.
Ask your boy KL.
(10-11-2021, 01:33 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Ask your boy KL.
KL is not my boy, he's my basketball daddy.
I have all his posts printed out and pasted on the walls of my office, I'll go see if I can find one that says that.
(10-11-2021, 08:17 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]KL is not my boy, he's my basketball daddy.
I have all his posts printed out and pasted on the walls of my office, I'll go see if I can find one that says that.
Not sure where you were when he and I were talking about it this offseason, but I believe Dirkfan was in agreement with the take, not certain about that. KL can also chime in and give you the scoop too.
(10-11-2021, 09:05 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure where you were when he and I were talking about it this offseason, but I believe Dirkfan was in agreement with the take, not certain about that. KL can also chime in and give you the scoop too.
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(10-11-2021, 09:19 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]The above post is sponsored by Chime.
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I'm thinking maybe you dreamed those posts.
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@"ItsGoTime" I don't think I ever suggested that KP's knee was a degenerative problem. They have gone out of their way to point out that both of his recent major knee injuries were caused by contact. What I DO think is that he has had so many injuries (more than just those two) that his speed and mobility are starting to decline, and pretty quickly. I think that's the conversation you're remembering. I have seen nothing yet to make me feel differently about that.
(10-11-2021, 10:28 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]@"ItsGoTime" I don't think I ever suggested that KP's knee was a degenerative problem. They have gone out of their way to point out that both of his recent major knee injuries were caused by contact. What I DO think is that he has had so many injuries (more than just those two) that his speed and mobility are starting to decline, and pretty quickly. I think that's the conversation you're remembering. I have seen nothing yet to make me feel differently about that.
You're gonna make me research this now aren't you? I know I used the word degenerative in my replies back to you (if you in fact didn't use the actual word yourself) and you didn't thwart it in any way. That's one of the major points we went back and forth about with him.
Also, what you're describing above, if it's not degenerative, what is?
Irreversible deterioration and loss of function is a symptom of degeneration is it not? You go as far as to say quickly too, which the opposite of what KP's saying has happened over the offseason. In that post you just suggested degenerative problem at the very least.
This place is pretty awesome and also has some practical features to access the collective memory of the internet. "Degenerative" describes a very specific situation/scenario. Looking at the term "degernative" the search function comes up with 21 mentions. Most of them actually happened in the last two days. Others aren´t about Mavs players. Happened when the community discussed potential trade targets (Kemba Walker).
Cannot find a post from @"KillerLeft" or me that mentions a degenerative problem. I think the only post that actually makes an assumption about KPs condition is based on mid season reports that he suffered from knee pain and missed games because of it (looked it up...10 of his missed game are listed as DNP knee soreness)
05-11-2021, 02:52 PM (This post was last modified: 05-11-2021, 03:56 PM by
HanspardsShowerVoice.)
"IMHO, this last bout of chronic knee pain will probably send huge red flags across the league to the point where he's a negative asset. I don't even think a great playoff performance changes anything fundamentally, because no one doubts his talent when he's healthy. He already proved in the bubble that he can play great in the playoffs when he's healthy. People are focusing on things like Luka chemistry and his lack of a sunny disposition whatnot ...that's ancillary stuff .... its the freaking knees !!! The thing is when he's still having chronic knee pain from just regular day to day use that keeps him out of critical games for weeks at a time, not from some acute injury but just the day to day load of being a basketball player, that's probably an indicator of a degenerative bone on bone condition that is going to ultimately require microfracture. People think all these little miniscus clean out procedures are no big deal, but often it's just kicking the can down the road on a underlying problem. You can only put the fix-a-flat in a bad tire and drive on it so many times. This isn't like when he got traded out of New York and you just tell yourself that once he rehabs from this one specific injury then the bad stuff is behind him and he's good to go. This is a chronic problem that leaves him on the end of the bench in street clothes at any moment with no timetable to return. Who knowingly wants to build their franchise around that?
GMs are mostly in the business of keeping their GM job. There's just a finite number of them, and they're precious. And any GM who gives up significant franchise assets for someone with chronic knee injuries on a max salary is putting his job on the chopping block. Any GM that trades for KP this offseason using significant franchise capital only to see KP sits out 3 weeks in December and then ultimately announces he needs microfracture surgery is getting fired. Who is taking that career risk? So they only way we're getting out of KP's contract is if we're swapping out an age/injury problem on a max contract with another franchise and/or bribing a team to eat the salary with future draft capital. That's why the most likely scenarios for a KP are swapping out for someone like Kemba/Horford and/or bribing a rebulding team with cap space to take him with 1st round picks. Ultimately I think the Mavs will put on a brave public face and try to white knuckle another season out of KP rather than swallow either scenario."
Making some quick jumps that connect his knee soreness to chronical knee pain and in the last part even a degenerative issue.
If you are asking for my personal opinion. I absolutely do think that KP is injury-prone. Just like most players of similar build. Hard to argue that this isn´t the case if a player misses 1/3 of all games in the last two seasons. Was out for an entire season prior to that. I also think that the injuries are taking a toll on his body. Basically only had 2-3 stretches of 20+ "healthy" games in a row in his entire career. But no I wouldn´t say that he is having "degenerative" problems. A meniscus injury can turn into that but we don´t know if that is the case. As far as I know he avoided the "DWade" surgery. The meniscus was repaired. Not removed.
It is difficult to make any calls on his future health. Personally (based on the things we have seen in the past) I am on the more pessimistic side.
And to end this post. It is pretty obvious that both the Mavs and KP are tight-lipped when it comes to detailed information. As they should be. Sucks for the fans but it is probably the best option. Admitting that he had some kind of chronical pain/injury issue would have hurt his trade value. Admitting that chronical pain or another injury issue wasn´t the reason for his mediocre performances would have been just as bad.
On a side note because I haven´t seen any mentions of it for quite some time: Is the anemia topic still a thing?
Cannot really find anything. It was mentioned that he suffered from it prior to the draft and in his first few seasons. Was diagnosed. Adjusted his lifestyle an diat. No new information since the trade to the Mavs.
(10-11-2021, 11:15 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]You're gonna make me research this now aren't you? I know I used the word degenerative in my replies back to you (if you in fact didn't use the actual word yourself) and you didn't thwart it in any way. That's one of the major points we went back and forth about with him.
Also, what you're describing above, if it's not degenerative, what is?
Irreversible deterioration and loss of function is a symptom of degeneration is it not? You go as far as to say quickly too, which the opposite of what KP's saying has happened over the offseason. In that post you just suggested degenerative problem at the very least.
I mean...my recollection isn't specific enough to make a claim about whether or not that word was used in our conversation.
I'm merely clarifying that the point I'm making isn't about his knee condition worsening over time, but more about the cumulative effect that multiple injuries at a young age has on someone's ability (and confidence) to move effectively. Example: I have no knee issues, whatsoever, but for some reason, I'm EXTREMELY careful when traveling down a set of stairs, especially relative to the way I could sprint down them in my 20's. I have simply theorized that in KP's case, this process has accelerated due to injuries.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I THINK this is different than saying his knee problems are "degenerative." I'm 99% sure I haven't used that word, but if you have, it's very possible that I didn't take issue with your use of it. I have a (sometimes bad) habit of engaging with the gist of a conversation here, rather than the specifics.
Within the specific context of this conversation, today, I agree with others that we have not been told these problems are "degenerative." But, I STILL think KP is an ongoing injury concern, and to a greater extent than most other players. I think this is due to his abnormal body (even by NBA standards). And, AGAIN, I do not see evidence of the "superior speed and mobility" that is constantly attached to him by reputation. I haven't really seen that on the court during his time in Dallas. I think he's slooooooooow.
(10-11-2021, 11:35 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]But, I STILL think KP is an ongoing injury concern, and to a greater extent than most other players. I think this is due to his abnormal body (even by NBA standards).
I've been in this camp for quite a while. That's why I want to trade him early in the season when he's showed he can play like I know he can...at an Allstar level. Even in NY he played well in the beginning of the year and then wore down as the season progressed. I'd like to capitalize on that kinda like Ind did with Oladipo.