(02-01-2022, 03:50 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see much point in bringing in another average guard/wing, we already have plenty. Kennard is basically same thing as THJ, so as long as we have THJ on the payroll, I don't see any point bringing in his 4 year deal. Bullock brings more value, imho. If we really feel the need to replace THJ production, than bought out player or expiring contract is the only thing that makes much sense, imho.
PF is by far the biggest position of need imho. Maxi is just asked to do too much and there is really no one behind him. This is exposed big time in games against strongest opponents. Offense stops when he gets the ball unless he has a wide open shot. His reaction when he gets the ball is just too slow and inacurate. I love Maxi, but his role is 20 minutes per night, imho.
I anticipated the "he's another THJ on a roster that already has THJ" position would likely come up. Same applies to some of the other names being mentioned. For starters, Kennard is younger, shoots better and handles better than Tim. We don't know when Tim will return or what he will look like, so there certainly is a need for now. Probably the biggie for me is this adds another tradable asset. If Kennard plays well, he can certainly be flipped this summer. Part of the issue the Mav's have is it is hard to cobble together deals without giving up guys we'd like to keep. The other possibility is trading off THJ this summer. Kennard does the same things for less money.
I don't disagree that I'd like to move Maxi to the bench (or that we need another BIG trade). But, I can't find a realistic PF that fits the parameters of this thought exercise. PF's in the financial range I'm thinking of are Kuzma, C. Wood, Covington, Warren, T. Young, Markkannen and Bertans. Bagley and Nance fit within the TPE, but are in the same zip code financially. Any BIG deal requires KP going out or unlocking picks (which probably means Brunson going out). I struggle to see that happening (though I'd be a fan of something based around Poeltl/White).
(02-01-2022, 03:50 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]PF is by far the biggest position of need imho. Maxi is just asked to do too much and there is really no one behind him. This is exposed big time in games against strongest opponents. Offense stops when he gets the ball unless he has a wide open shot. His reaction when he gets the ball is just too slow and inacurate. I love Maxi, but his role is 20 minutes per night, imho.
Under this assessment, I would be hunting a big move hard. Either for an established player, but I would also consider assets if the offer is good. If that is not on the table, I wouldn't spend any asset for yet another low ceiling guy.
i agree with this point about PF. thats why i think Collins should be high on the list. Fischer said he would take less than Turner or Sabonis so i don't think it would be impossible to get a deal done.
(02-01-2022, 08:11 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]For starters, Kennard is younger, shoots better and handles better than Tim. We don't know when Tim will return or what he will look like, so there certainly is a need for now.
That is all true, but it doesn't change the fact that Tim is still here on a four year deal. This was my point. It makes sense to bring Kennard if Tim is going out. If Tim is here, Bullock makes more sense than Kennard. I don't agree about the tradeable contract part. Mavs have roster full of those "tradeable contracts", which are never considered as assets in reality. No team is trading us a "Collins" for a "Maxi". Besides, I think expiring Bullock will be much more tradeable contract than Kennard with 2 more years on his deal.
(02-01-2022, 08:11 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]But, I can't find a realistic PF that fits the parameters of this thought exercise. PF's in the financial range I'm thinking of are Kuzma, C. Wood, Covington, Warren, T. Young, Markkannen and Bertans. Bagley and Nance fit within the TPE, but are in the same zip code financially.
I think most names mentioned make more sense than another guard/wing. I think Bagley doesn't fit in the TE (TE 10.9 mil, Bagley 11.3 mil). Based on my valuation of where Mavs as a team are, I don't think it makes sense spending assets on expiring Covington, Warren and T.Young. At least RoCo and Young would be likely great on this team, but I doubt they bring enough. Bertans is useless. I doubt Markkanen and Kuzma are available (certainly not cheaply). Wood is the only one that would make me wonder if Mavs could make a step further by getting him.
(02-01-2022, 08:11 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Any BIG deal requires KP going out or unlocking picks (which probably means Brunson going out)
What is BIG? Imho Mavs don't have ammo for top talent and I doubt that will change in the summer. But they might have ammo for the likes of Grant. The question of course is, if he is good enough for an all in move.
(02-01-2022, 08:30 AM)Mavs32 Wrote: [ -> ]i agree with this point about PF. thats why i think Collins should be high on the list. Fischer said he would take less than Turner or Sabonis so i don't think it would be impossible to get a deal done.
I would be surprised if it would take less to get Collins than it would have for Turner. If we are holding on to Brunson, then the only reasonable option would be a three team trade involving KP and Collins. I would be more than happy to pull that trigger.
(02-01-2022, 02:41 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]A bone bruise is something that doesn't worry me in the slightest.
In fact, some of the trades people propose worry more than a bone bruise.
The bone bruise doesn't worry me but after our next game, he'll have missed 35% of our games this season.
One minor injury isn´t concerning but if they add up and prevent a player from playing 15-20 games in a row it is a problem. If things don´t change I might have to add Luka to that list as well. Both are missing a lot of games with minor injuries.
I openly admit that I am this boards negative nancy when it comes to player health and injuries but my nightmare scenario is a TMac/Yao ending. Those Rockets team had all the the talent in the world but in the end they didn´t have one fully healthy playoff run.
(02-01-2022, 03:08 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]One minor injury isn´t concerning but if they add up and prevent a player from playing 15-20 games in a row it is a problem. If things don´t change I might have to add Luka to that list as well. Both are missing a lot of games with minor injuries.
I openly admit that I am this boards negative nancy when it comes to player health and injuries but my nightmare scenario is a TMac/Yao ending. Those Rockets team had all the the talent in the world but in the end they didn´t have one fully healthy playoff run.
Great analogy! This team is a little like that one!
(02-01-2022, 06:15 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]KP+Moses for Gary Harris+Isaac?
So, it's KP for:
- a 6'10 defender coming from an ACL, who may not be fully healthy until 2023. And even at full health may be nothing more than a long defender who can score some. He is 24, how much improvement can he make specially coming from injury? But if he regains his play and improves even for a bit, then, the Mavs would hit a home run.
- a short term THJ replacement.
- clearing salary to be able to pay JB and DFS.
Of course, Mavs will be without a second option this year, but it helps the Mavs next season.
I don't think Orlando is ever going to move on from Issac. After all his injuries, he's just 24. If he could just stay healthy. The talent and potential is there.
(02-01-2022, 09:57 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]That is all true, but it doesn't change the fact that Tim is still here on a four year deal. This was my point. It makes sense to bring Kennard if Tim is going out. If Tim is here, Bullock makes more sense than Kennard.
I think most (PF) names mentioned make more sense than another guard/wing. I think Bagley doesn't fit in the TE (TE 10.9 mil, Bagley 11.3 mil). Based on my valuation of where Mavs as a team are, I don't think it makes sense spending assets on expiring Covington, Warren and T.Young. At least RoCo and Young would be likely great on this team, but I doubt they bring enough. Bertans is useless. I doubt Markkanen and Kuzma are available (certainly not cheaply). Wood is the only one that would make me wonder if Mavs could make a step further by getting him.
A few more thoughts from podcasts I listened to. Hardwood Knocks was really high on Eric Gordon's best fit being either Phoenix or Dallas. They didn't get into the returning contracts, but to your point it would almost have to be THJ. Otherwise, you are sending out two useful players. Locked on Mav's did a podcast this morning on trade targets they like (not rumors, opinions). Gordon was one of the names mentioned.
Here are some of the other names the LOM guys discussed:
Batum: He has a PO this summer. No guarantee he returns and if he does, it might be at a bigger number. I've loved the idea of getting him here for quite some time. Not sure what the outgoing would be.
Kemba: They also mentioned Burkes. Just say no to helping the Knicks clear cap space. BTW, I still can't tell if the downplaying of Brunson rumors is real or posturing. I'm quite concerned we are going to see Rose to OKC mid afternoon on the 10th.
G. Harris: Would Orlando rather have Hardaway or nothing?
Harrell: Wears out his welcome everywhere he goes
T. Ross: Another O for D trade involving Bullock?
M. Beasley: Another O for D trade involving Bullock. 2023 is a TO versus partially guaranteed Bullock. Rich Paul guy.
They also discussed KP for McCollom, but decided that can't be done while also trying to retain Brunson.
Out of all that, Batum and getting off the THJ money for Harris are the only things that really interest me and I'm not sure even about the Harris thing. Who has more trade value this summer...THJ or S&T Harris? Is there someone out there who would take Hardaway now? Another Pod yesterday (I had a lot of time in the car) listed T. Young as a buyout candidate. Now that would be fantastic. He's always been a plus defender and is also a great facilitator. It would be difficult for him to share the floor with Powell and Green off the bench. I like the Batum fit better, but would absolutely take Young also. On Batum, if Ibaka or Bledsoe aren't returning this summer, is there a version of a couple of cheap contracts like (like Brown and Brown) for Batum and Ibaka that nets you Batum? I wouldn't send Green or a first. It does save LAC some money and retains a couple of inexpensive backups as they try to restock for 22/23?
(02-02-2022, 08:08 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]A few more thoughts from podcasts I listened to. Hardwood Knocks was really high on Eric Gordon's best fit being either Phoenix or Dallas. They didn't get into the returning contracts, but to your point it would almost have to be THJ. Otherwise, you are sending out two useful players. Locked on Mav's did a podcast this morning on trade targets they like (not rumors, opinions). Gordon was one of the names mentioned.
Here are some of the other names the LOM guys discussed:
Batum: He has a PO this summer. No guarantee he returns and if he does, it might be at a bigger number. I've loved the idea of getting him here for quite some time. Not sure what the outgoing would be.
Kemba: They also mentioned Burkes. Just say no to helping the Knicks clear cap space. BTW, I still can't tell if the downplaying of Brunson rumors is real or posturing. I'm quite concerned we are going to see Rose to OKC mid afternoon on the 10th.
G. Harris: Would Orlando rather have Hardaway or nothing?
Harrell: Wears out his welcome everywhere he goes
T. Ross: Another O for D trade involving Bullock?
M. Beasley: Another O for D trade involving Bullock. 2023 is a TO versus partially guaranteed Bullock. Rich Paul guy.
They also discussed KP for McCollom, but decided that can't be done while also trying to retain Brunson.
Out of all that, Batum and getting off the THJ money for Harris are the only things that really interest me and I'm not sure even about the Harris thing. Who has more trade value this summer...THJ or S&T Harris? Is there someone out there who would take Hardaway now? Another Pod yesterday (I had a lot of time in the car) listed T. Young as a buyout candidate. Now that would be fantastic. He's always been a plus defender and is also a great facilitator. It would be difficult for him to share the floor with Powell and Green off the bench. I like the Batum fit better, but would absolutely take Young also. On Batum, if Ibaka or Bledsoe aren't returning this summer, is there a version of a couple of cheap contracts like (like Brown and Brown) for Batum and Ibaka that nets you Batum? I wouldn't send Green or a first. It does save LAC some money and retains a couple of inexpensive backups as they try to restock for 22/23?
Batum would be ideal. I just can't picture a route for him here though with his low salary and solid play. I was listening to the Bill Simmons Pod with Windhorst and he was scattershooting that Clippers would send Ibaka to OKC who would then be bought out as a suggestion. I really think if the Mavs spent the MLE this summer, that Batum would be high on my wish list.
Harrell would also interest me. He may be just a regular season player as he may get exposed in the playoffs. But interior scoring off the bench and more importantly when KP is out is really concerning to me. He also plays with a little bit of an edge. I really want someone who will get easy baskets and Harrell could be a short term answer.
(02-02-2022, 08:08 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Out of all that, Batum and getting off the THJ money for Harris are the only things that really interest me and I'm not sure even about the Harris thing.
Thanks for the extensive recap. Since Batum is an expiring 33 year old, I doubt he has much trade value. A second rounder or two. But does it also makes sense for Mavs to spend those picks for a guy, that will probably not make them a contender? Neither short nor long term. Reduce tax bill is certainly a motivation for Clippers. OKC will not take Ibaka without draft compensation. Does it make more sense for them to send Ibaka and Batum to Dallas TE for nothing (minor contract like Burke) or just ship Ibaka and draft compensation to OKC?
THJ for Harris I just don't see. This is basically admitting that THJ signature was a huge mistake. I just don't see a fresh GM would do such a thing. Besides, Orlando would certainly require assets for this move. They have plenty of young guards that make more sense playing for them than THJ. The only trade for THJ I see is for a significant playing upgrade (with picks attached).
Bought out Young would be awesome. I think he is the perfect short roll Luka needs, as he is excellent in creating from high post. He would cover our greatest position of need. If I am the all world recruiter Nico is supposed to be, this (and Dragic) would be the moves I would be working on this trade deadline, if there is no blockbuster on the table.
I think Mavs will stay pat this offseason. The only move that really makes sense is for a significant upgrade, but they just don't have assets to do that (or they are not willing to pay those assets). Perhaps we will see something cosmetic in our TE for minimal asset.
(02-02-2022, 09:37 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]If I am the all world recruiter Nico is supposed to be
I don't understand who has said that?
(02-02-2022, 11:24 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think that was one of main attributes Nico was advertised as. His strong relationships with players were mentioned as one of key things behind his hire. Example below, but I think that was an overall notion
3 reasons why Nico Harrison is the right hire for the Dallas Mavericks (sportsnaut.com)
So people speculating that is why he was hired, not actually hearing it from Cuban himself. It’s cool to speculate about that, but to weight it in anyway is where it becomes off.
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