I would be interested in how many college games Nico has seen in person this year. Also, how many tournament games he is going to? IMO, analytics and watching games on tv is important, but I don't think you can replace seeing guys live. If the answer to the above is very little or none, that would tell me little has changed. Even if the Mavs don't use their pick this year, you have to take the draft seriously. It is a 365 day a year job.
(03-16-2022, 08:56 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Related...Jake Fischer in on today's 77 Heaven podcast with Cato. They talk some about the Mav/Toronto discussions prior to the Washington deal, but nothing definitive.
Fischer teases an upcoming article where he says he doesn't think Brunson returning is a done deal.
Fischer also says Dallas will be tax sensitive (from sources, not just historical norm).
Yeah, I wouldn't think it is a done deal. I would have felt better if Dallas was aggressive this past offseason trying to get an extension with Jalen. Even if Jalen decided he wanted to play out the year. From reports though, Dallas never even formally made an offer. Not good! I understand the reason, but it certainly doesn't create warm and fuzzies. Plus, Jalen may feel that he may be re-signed so they can keep an asset and not a long term piece. I think Kidd has done good with Jalen, but who knows what Mark thinks.
(03-16-2022, 09:26 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]
Yeah, I wouldn't think it is a done deal. I would have felt better if Dallas was aggressive this past offseason trying to get an extension with Jalen. Even if Jalen decided he wanted to play out the year. From reports though, Dallas never even formally made an offer. Not good! I understand the reason, but it certainly doesn't create warm and fuzzies. Plus, Jalen may feel that he may be re-signed so they can keep an asset and not a long term piece. I think Kidd has done good with Jalen, but who knows what Mark thinks.
Or what Jalen thinks. I cringed Sunday when Luka blasted him on national TV when Jalen left his appointed spot on the perimeter and Luka zipped the pass to no one.
Fischer later qualified that he doesn’t equate the questions around Brunson with getting under the tax. Easy to draw a straight line, but he doesn’t believe that. Tim and Jake then talked about the possibility that THJ still has value around the league. People look at Hield and D Robinson and Bertans and THJ as bad contracts, but the league still values those guys because shooting is hard to come by. The trick, I think, is making any THJ deal look like improvement on our part. Kind of like Dragic and a first for an upgrade that Toronto was supposedly shopping. I’d predict we will try to get under the apron more than under the tax. One is about flexibility and one is about cash. It is hard to preach flexibility like we did at the TDL and not make some effort to stay under the apron.
(03-16-2022, 09:42 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Or what Jalen thinks. I cringed Sunday when Luka blasted him on national TV when Jalen left his appointed spot on the perimeter and Luka zipped the pass to no one.
Fischer later qualified that he doesn’t equate the questions around Brunson with getting under the tax. Easy to draw a straight line, but he doesn’t believe that. Tim and Jake then talked about the possibility that THJ still has value around the league. People look at Hield and D Robinson and Bertans and THJ as bad contracts, but the league still values those guys because shooting is hard to come by. The trick, I think, is making any THJ deal look like improvement on our part. Kind of like Dragic and a first for an upgrade that Toronto was supposedly shopping. I’d predict we will try to get under the apron more than under the tax. One is about flexibility and one is about cash. It is hard to preach flexibility like we did at the TDL and not make some effort to stay under the apron.
If THJ has some value around the league, how would a person reconcile the reports of him being shopped around the league and not finding a deal? I understand the easy answer is we didn’t find the deal we wanted, can we dig deeper than that?
(03-16-2022, 09:51 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]If THJ has some value around the league, how would a person reconcile the reports of him being shopped around the league and not finding a deal? I understand the easy answer is we didn’t find the deal we wanted, can we dig deeper than that?
It could be as simple as the fact that THJ was injured
Also, as far as the Jalen ideas. It’s not cringe worthy if you prepared yourself thinking it could happen. Only hope we have if he doesn’t pick us now is the hope that we can snt him for a decent deal all things considered.
(03-16-2022, 09:55 AM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]It could be as simple as the fact that THJ was injured
Ya, it could be, not wanting to discount that reason, but if he has some value around the league, you’d think some team would bite knowing their playoff hopes are just to get in, not necessarily to do damage in them yet (or those that are looking to make a bigger push next year, like say POR or TOR, maybe SAC/WAS).
(03-16-2022, 09:55 AM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]It could be as simple as the fact that THJ was injured
Right. That eliminates any team making a playoff push.
If we use the KP trade and what Cuban himself has said about it as a model, we were probably looking for something specific that the other team didn’t want to give up. Interesting exercise would be to look at worst 3 point teams and who they have in THJ’s position currently.
Starting from the bottom, the list is OKC, DET, NOP, ORL and IND. Three of those teams have cap room this summer.
(03-16-2022, 08:56 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Fischer teases an upcoming article where he says he doesn't think Brunson returning is a done deal.
Fischer also says Dallas will be tax sensitive (from sources, not just historical norm).
I still think the Mavs should figure out a way to trade JB....and I know you have made it very clear that is not easy.
But I still think it should be the way to go, especially with the emergence of SD.
And honestly I hope the Mavs ARE tax sensitive, because as you have pointed out it limits your ability to do moves to improve your team. The Mavs are not in a position to be limiting their flexibility with trades right now.
The way Jake Fischer kind of danced around his reporting on the Toronto/KP thing in that podcast made me lose a lot of faith in him in terms of his sources.
Lots of "i try to be responsible when reporting what's offered vs what's being shopped...." "i know toronto was shopping goran and a first..." until finally saying "based on macmahon and your (cato's) reporting, it sounded like toronto was asking for more than what dallas wanted to offer"
Just kind of made me feel icky because it was a round about way of saying, Toronto wanted picks from Dallas.
Made me feel like the tax/Brunson narrative he's pushing may not be entirely true either. I know there's the latest CBA narrative and Cuban not paying the tax there but that timeline also lines up with a ton of rosters that didn't deserve tax dollars to be paid for it. I've stood firm on Cuban's willingness to pay Brunson and the tax because this team is starting to turn a corner and it would be bad asset management otherwise but I also wouldn't be surprised if we attach a second or two to THJ to just get him off the books either.
All that said, I'm going to take Fischer with a big grain of salt moving forward, there's a reason he works for Bleacher Report still.
(03-16-2022, 11:01 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]The way Jake Fischer kind of danced around his reporting on the Toronto/KP thing in that podcast made me lose a lot of faith in him in terms of his sources.
Lots of "i try to be responsible when reporting what's offered vs what's being shopped...." "i know toronto was shopping goran and a first..." until finally saying "based on macmahon and your (cato's) reporting, it sounded like toronto was asking for more than what dallas has to offer"
Just kind of made me feel icky because it was a round about way of saying, Toronto wanted picks from Dallas.
I actually have come to like and respect Fischer in the last year or so. He’s got sauces and is right more often than most in the pre-event reporting he does.
There was some controversy around here as to whether Dallas was to send or receive a pick from Toronto. Fischer was the reason some thought we were receiving the pick. But, if you listened closely to JF at the time, he was making a leap of faith even then. 1. Toronto was shopping Dragic and a pick around the league plus 2. Dallas and Toronto were close to a deal equals 3. Dallas must have been receiving the pick. I heard him on multiple podcasts at the time and he never conclusively said that…just inferred it. Now, as you say, he’s even less clear as to what was actually on the table.
My opinion is an always has been that Dallas would have jumped at Dragic plus a pick if it was as simple as that. Therefore, it wasn’t as simple as that.
(03-16-2022, 10:31 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I still think the Mavs should figure out a way to trade JB....and I know you have made it very clear that is not easy. But I still think it should be the way to go, especially with the emergence of SD.
And honestly I hope the Mavs ARE tax sensitive, because as you have pointed out it limits your ability to do moves to improve your team. The Mavs are not in a position to be limiting their flexibility with trades right now.
The emergence of SD has done the opposite for me. It shows just how important SD AND JB are to this whole thing. Kidd's offense, Luka, needs 3 ball-handlers. Luka is fresh in crunch time now and when blitzed you still have size, shooting and play-making for the 4 on 3. Getting rid of a young, home-grown talent, because of tax is going backwards. Get rid of 18M timmy if you want "team flexibilty".
(03-16-2022, 10:31 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I still think the Mavs should figure out a way to trade JB....and I know you have made it very clear that is not easy. But I still think it should be the way to go, especially with the emergence of SD.
And honestly I hope the Mavs ARE tax sensitive, because as you have pointed out it limits your ability to do moves to improve your team. The Mavs are not in a position to be limiting their flexibility with trades right now.
You know who could take Brunson in a deal without the complications others (NY) might have…Detroit. You know who might have interest in the 3-point shooting of THJ (or Bullock) and still have cap room…Detroit.
I’ll be interested to see who they draft with their top 3/4 pick. They have a star of the future at SG and the top 3 guys in the draft as I understand it (not an expert) are a C and two PF’s. I suspect they will build around Cunningham and this pick. Brunson makes sense as a PG if they pick a big. Teams with young stars at other positions need someone like Brunson to help those stars develop. THJ might help their total lack of 3 point shooting and is a home town boy.
This wouldn’t necessarily be about Grant (especially if we are trying to cut salary). But, Detroit has some other guys like Hayes, H. Diallo, Stewart and Olynyk that I’d be interested in. I could see Hayes as our developmental PG behind Luka and SD. I could see Diallo as another wing defender. Do they need Stewart and Olynyk if they draft a C? Do they need Grant and Bagley if they draft a PF. I’ll be keeping a close eye on Detroit’s draft situation as it might give a clue as to where they go once the draft is over.
(03-16-2022, 11:17 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I actually have come to like and respect Fischer in the last year or so. He’s got sauces and is right more often than most in the pre-event reporting he does.
There was some controversy around here as to whether Dallas was to send or receive a pick from Toronto. Fischer was the reason some thought we were receiving the pick. But, if you listened closely to JF at the time, he was making a leap of faith even then. 1. Toronto was shopping Dragic and a pick around the league plus 2. Dallas and Toronto were close to a deal equals 3. Dallas must have been receiving the pick. I heard him on multiple podcasts at the time and he never conclusively said that…just inferred it. Now, as you say, he’s even less clear as to what was actually on the table.
My opinion is an always has been that Dallas would have jumped at Dragic plus a pick if it was as simple as that. Therefore, it wasn’t as simple as that.
To be fair, I would say that my respect for Fischer is higher than it was around this time last year but now lower than it was at the trade deadline. I just think that a decent amount of us here were treating him as if he was reliable as Shams or Woj or even Stein and he's just not there yet. On top of that he tweeted this right after the Wiz trade:
https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/...85090?s=20
It can be interpreted a lot of different ways but to me it felt like he was doubling down on the idea that Toronto offered us a first after people were kind of up in arms about it which he's slowly kind of walked back since then. Just felt a little irresponsible on his part is all, especially considering places like the Ringer kind of ran with that reporting.
(03-16-2022, 11:01 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]The way Jake Fischer kind of danced around his reporting on the Toronto/KP thing in that podcast made me lose a lot of faith in him in terms of his sources.
Lots of "i try to be responsible when reporting what's offered vs what's being shopped...." "i know toronto was shopping goran and a first..." until finally saying "based on macmahon and your (cato's) reporting, it sounded like toronto was asking for more than what dallas wanted to offer"
Just kind of made me feel icky because it was a round about way of saying, Toronto wanted picks from Dallas.
Made me feel like the tax/Brunson narrative he's pushing may not be entirely true either. I know there's the latest CBA narrative and Cuban not paying the tax there but that timeline also lines up with a ton of rosters that didn't deserve tax dollars to be paid for it. I've stood firm on Cuban's willingness to pay Brunson and the tax because this team is starting to turn a corner and it would be bad asset management otherwise but I also wouldn't be surprised if we attach a second or two to THJ to just get him off the books either.
All that said, I'm going to take Fischer with a big grain of salt moving forward, there's a reason he works for Bleacher Report still.
Marc Stein and others quote him frequently. He is now as tied in as anyone in the industry. He is a first level source now.
(03-16-2022, 11:45 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Marc Stein and others quote him frequently. He is now as tied in as anyone in the industry. He is a first level source now.
I felt this way until the way he's handled the KP/Toronto stuff. I understand that we're all looking for reporting and scoops and he's one of the better ones but I just don't trust him as much after all that.
But hey, that's ok if folks trust certain people out there. I'm always startled when I run into circles that don't respect Zach Lowe but I totally get that people have their own cup of tea.
(03-16-2022, 11:40 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Hayes, H. Diallo, Stewart
Say those three guys for THJ+JB... what else is needed to balance that trade in your opinion? Any salary? Any picks?
What I
thought Hayes would be is exactly what DAL needs IMO as a replacement for JB (a 6'5" and longer flexible guard/wing who can create sometimes). His shooting has been ATROCIOUS. Do the Mavs believe they can rehab that? If Hayes's shooting can be fixed he will be a starter in this league IMO. He has totally fixed his assist/turnover issues and just needs a shot.
And to me? He looks like a kid with broken confidence that needs a new setting and fresh start.
RE: Killian Hayes's Shooting
This year's shooting with last year's in parentheses...
At the rim: 69.8% (44.4%)
3-10 ft: 31.3% (40.8%)
10-16 ft: 38.3% (41.4%)
16-3P: 31.0% (18.2%)
3P: 26.0% (27.8%)
He has figured out his shooting at the rim. That is a good development. But everything else needs a lot of work. His catch and shoot threes are 29.3% this year.
(03-16-2022, 11:17 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]My opinion is an always has been that Dallas would have jumped at Dragic plus a pick if it was as simple as that. Therefore, it wasn’t as simple as that.
I thought the conclusion was, that Toronto and Dallas discussed KP, but it was Toronto that backed out because they didn't want to commit to long term salary. Besides Fisher the ESPN sources (Marks, Lowe, McMahon) also reported Dragic and pick. I haven't seen anyone say otherwise.