(09-15-2021, 12:47 PM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with the defensive comments, but each of those players were good enough to keep the defense honest and even carry the offense for stretches. Watch the finals and you'll see one stretch where Marion scored 10-12 points in a short time to keep the team in it. Kidd was a decent 3pt shooter and big enough to post up a lot of his defenders. We all remember Stevenson hitting big 3s. And the combo of Ty and Hay meant consistency on both ends regardless of who was in the game.
Added up to the opponent not being able to swarm Dirk or Jet, letting them perform their magic.
That seems like ancient history now. They need to create some new magic.
(09-16-2021, 09:54 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Did Frank play much in the Olympics? This is the only highlights I found. His jumper looks pretty smooth in this game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKix-i2_1Ew
He was not very good to put it nicely. Played in four of six games. Averaged 2 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists in 10 MPG. Shooting numbers 27/28/0.
I can´t blame the Mavs too much for finally trying to get younger. Ntilikina is worth a try at the minimum. Wouldn´t have been my top choice as a reclamation project, but fair enough. I just hope the fall guy is Trey Burke (one way or the other).
If it´s Moses Brown, I´m not sure I like it that much anymore. Ntilikina is two years older than Brown, has had three years playing on losing teams and he never produced the raw numbers that Brown has at OKC. I think at the moment the upside with Brown is higher than with Ntilikina.
(09-16-2021, 09:25 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Onu was waived recently.
Thanks. Missed that one.
(09-17-2021, 04:56 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]That seems like ancient history now. They need to create some new magic.
Agreed. My comment was to show a template for freeing up our heavy lifters by making the opponent play honest defense. If they are going to double or triple Luka, then they pay the price of our other guys scoring. 2006, apart from the tidal wave of Wade FTs, was about them swarming Dirk and nobody else stepping up. 2011 was improved balance and more reliable scoring from the role players. That's what I hope we are moving toward.
(09-17-2021, 05:59 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I can´t blame the Mavs too much for finally trying to get younger.
What? The average age on this roster is like 26. The oldest rotation player is Dwight Powell at 30 I believe.
People's obsession on this board with playing younger guys is so strange.
September 20th.
When does training camp open?
I've heard Bullock and KP are in town. Any word on Luka and the rest of the guys?
2021-22 Key Dates
Sept. 28: Training camp begins
Oct. 19: Regular season begins
Feb. 18-20: NBA All-Star 2022 (Cleveland, OH)
April 10: Regular season concludes
April 12-15: Play-In Tournament
April 16: Playoffs begin
June 23: NBA Draft
(09-20-2021, 09:49 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]September 20th.
When does training camp open?
I've heard Bullock and KP are in town. Any word on Luka and the rest of the guys?
According to Brunson's Instagram he just left on a daytrip to go see the Eagles (yuck) play and has promptly returned to Dallas.
THJ's latest post puts him in Miami as of last week. Pretty sure Luka and Boban are still overseas.
Josh Green did post a pic of him, Maxi, Powell, and Brunson all hanging out in Austin a bit ago so I assume they're also all in Texas.
I think media day is the beginning of October so training camp should start very soon.
Training camp starts in 1 week, 28th I think.
Preseason games start on the 4th, Mavs on the 7th. Only 4 preseason games for the Mavs 2 then a 5 day break then the last .
There are currently 20 guys on the roster, which is the max in pre-season camp, correct? And they have to get to 15 + 2-ways? Is there a cut date, or just get there before the season officially starts.
McLaughlin and Omoruyi are the current 2-way guys.
So at least 3 cuts (IMO) come from:
Feron Hunt
Carlik Jones
Tyrell Terry
Moses Brown
Trey Burke
I think Burke stays for salary matching. My heart says Brown stays because of potential, but there is already a crowd at 4/5. That leaves Hunt, Jones and Terry. Hunt and Jones can preferentially sign a G-league contract. Terry has a contract, but it's time to cut bait with him.
I would have included Green, but he's a FRP with a FRP contract, so I guess he stays but may be another salary match for future trades.
Also, if Brown stays and shows some fit, does that make one of the other bigs expendable? At some point there will be inquiries due to injury or other need. I have to say though, Brown looks like a kid in the photo on the website. That's not a judgement about what he can do.
As far as anyone knows, the roster is healthy going into training camp?
About the expectations we have had for Dragic, did we simply fail to "consider the source" in evaluating the rumors and the likelihood? Recent reports have said:
Mark Cuban 8-31
"I thought we had traded for Kobe Bryant."
Mark Cuban 9-7
"We had a deal done" for Paul Pierce.
Tin Cato, 9-8
"The Mavericks remain confident Dragic will end up on the roster one way or another...."
Marc Stein 9-15
Mavs still hopeful Dragic will reach the open market in the next weeks or months.
(09-21-2021, 08:58 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]There are currently 20 guys on the roster, which is the max in pre-season camp, correct? And they have to get to 15 + 2-ways? Is there a cut date, or just get there before the season officially starts.
McLaughlin and Omoruyi are the current 2-way guys.
So at least 3 cuts (IMO) come from:
Feron Hunt
Carlik Jones
Tyrell Terry
Moses Brown
Trey Burke
I think Burke stays for salary matching. My heart says Brown stays because of potential, but there is already a crowd at 4/5. That leaves Hunt, Jones and Terry. Hunt and Jones can preferentially sign a G-league contract. Terry has a contract, but it's time to cut bait with him.
I would have included Green, but he's a FRP with a FRP contract, so I guess he stays but may be another salary match for future trades.
Also, if Brown stays and shows some fit, does that make one of the other bigs expendable? At some point there will be inquiries due to injury or other need. I have to say though, Brown looks like a kid in the photo on the website. That's not a judgement about what he can do.
As far as anyone knows, the roster is healthy going into training camp?
I think Franky N. is as likely to get cut as this guys.
(09-21-2021, 10:38 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I think Franky N. is as likely to get cut as this guys.
Agreed. Although I can see Frank being seen as a more attractive prospect than Terry, even at their respective stages of their careers.
If Terry had an incredible summer league I'd probably be saying otherwise, but I fail to see how the guy is an NBA player.
Frank is just as fringe of an NBA player but at least he can play good defense.
I really have a tough time ranking who is most likely to make the team out of this group.
Frank N.
Feron Hunt
Carlik Jones
Tyrell Terry
Moses Brown
Trey Burke
I don't think there's an everyday rotation player in that group, based on current play level. So ideally you'd keep potential.
Does that mean you keep Frank, Terry and Brown?
Maybe it means that preseason matters and that there is going to be compeition.
(09-21-2021, 11:49 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I really have a tough time ranking who is most likely to make the team out of this group.
Frank N.
Feron Hunt
Carlik Jones
Tyrell Terry
Moses Brown
Trey Burke
I don't think there's an everyday rotation player in that group, based on current play level. So ideally you'd keep potential.
Does that mean you keep Frank, Terry and Brown?
Maybe it means that preseason matters and that there is going to be compeition.
1 I think the desire to cut Burke is way greater in this forum than with Mavs decision makers, and by quite a large degree of difference.
2 When it comes to players at the bottom of the pecking order, the money does tend to make a difference if someone is to be waived. Burke and Terry have 2 guaranteed seasons, while none of the others have much (if any) money guaranteed.
3 Hunt and Jones have contracts that commit them to Frisco, if waived in camp.
As a result, I suspect Burke and Terry are safe (unless they are incredibly awful in camp), and the 15th slot will be decided in camp between Brown and Ntilikina.
Brown was a trade throw in with only 500K guaranteed FORCED on the Mavs by the rules if they wanted BOS to take the obligation to J-Rich -- and Franky took a deal with no guarantee in year 1, a team option with no guarantee in year 2, and a camp contract where he bears the injury risk -- so the Mavs haven't shown any real commitment to either so far.
(09-21-2021, 12:52 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]1 I think the desire to cut Burke is way greater in this forum than with Mavs decision makers, and by quite a large degree of difference.
2 When it comes to players at the bottom of the pecking order, the money does tend to make a difference if someone is to be waived. Burke and Terry have 2 guaranteed seasons, while none of the others have much (if any) money guaranteed.
3 Hunt and Jones have contracts that commit them to Frisco, if waived in camp.
As a result, I suspect Burke and Terry are safe (unless they are incredibly awful in camp), and the 15th slot will be decided in camp between Brown and Ntilikina.
Brown was a trade throw in with only 500K guaranteed FORCED on the Mavs by the rules if they wanted BOS to take the obligation to J-Rich -- and Franky took a deal with no guarantee in year 1, a team option with no guarantee in year 2, and a camp contract where he bears the injury risk -- so the Mavs haven't shown any real commitment to either so far.
Makes sense. Makes me think that if Frank can show any signs in training camp that he could play D and shoot the 3 as a wing, then he probably wins the try out.
(09-21-2021, 02:51 PM)Thukydides Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/massey_evan/status/1...99873?s=20
Schwartz client. Expiring contract. 40% shooter from 3 last year off the bench. I can totally see Dallas kicking the tires on an ideal backup to THJ.
Luka/Brunson
THJ/Lamb
Bullock/Sterling
DFS/Maxi
KP/Powell
That's a balanced team with lots of shooting.
Deep bench: Burke, Ntilikina, Green, Terry, WCS, Moses. One (or more) would have to go, possibly as part of the trade. My best guess is Burke + Terry and/or Moses. That would leave 3 good situational defenders in Ntilikina, Green, and WCS to fill any holes as needed.