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(08-07-2021, 09:58 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Why has Reggie Bullock signed when....

...THJ, Boban, and Sterling Brown have not?


Why? What could be the reasons?

Sterling and Hardaway share an agency (Bartlestein).  McDermott (going into space in SA) and Zach Collins (also going into space in SA) are also clients and not official yet.  McConnell, Niang and Lowry at the same agency are official. So, it doesn’t seem like it is purely an agent thing.

Seems to me SA is at the center of this IF anything is going on.  I don’t think any of their transactions are done including the DeRozan deal and even outgoing Dieng and Patty Mills.  Since they have space, and are taking in $22mm between Collins and McDermott and getting some nice movable parts from Chicago, there is no telling what might be going on (or how it might relate to THJ and Sterling not being done yet).

(08-08-2021, 10:22 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Sterling and Hardaway share an agency (Bartlestein).  McDermott (going into space in SA) and Zach Collins (also going into space in SA) are also clients and not official yet.  McConnell, Niang and Lowry at the same agency are official. So, it doesn’t seem like it is purely an agent thing.

Seems to me SA is at the center of this IF anything is going on.  I don’t think any of their transactions are done including the DeRozan deal and even outgoing Dieng and Patty Mills.  Since they have space, and are taking in $22mm between Collins and McDermott and getting some nice movable parts from Chicago, there is no telling what might be going on (or how it might relate to THJ and Sterling not being done yet).

I’ve been wondering the same thing...but now that Bullock has signed we are officially over the cap right? Or is it possible he signed for identical MLE money but using cap space? Either way, there is a definite path now that he is official.

Edit: McDermott deal went official this morning, a S&T with Indiana

(08-08-2021, 10:27 AM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve been wondering the same thing...but now that Bullock has signed we are officially over the cap right? Or is it possible he signed for identical MLE money but using cap space? Either way, there is a definite path now that he is official.

Edit: McDermott deal went official this morning, a S&T with Indiana

I wouldn’t expect this would be about LM (at least not to Dallas).  It could be Dallas getting involved as a participant in what Chicago and SA have already done.  We can eat a year of Aminu into our TPE and get something in exchange for that.  

Derrick White (27 years old and an Excel client) would certainly solve the secondary playmaker hole.  Good at everything and great at nothing, he’s almost always a positive on court no matter the quality of player around him.   I’m guessing Green and eating Aminu are part of the price.  What else?  Hopefully Powell (that would move Young to PF).  Probably Maxi.  One interesting thing about such a deal is moving salary to Dallas would open space for SA to sign LM to a mid teens deal.  So, maybe Powell after all as the backup C to Poeltl and LM and Young as the PF tandem.  McDermott is their three and someone from among Vassell, Walker and Primo takes the starting SG spot.

Dal - receives Derrick White
SA - receives Lauri Markennen 
Chi - receives Maxi Kleber, Willie Cauley Stein, Trey Burke, 2 2nd round picks.

Who says no?

(08-08-2021, 11:52 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Dal - receives Derrick White
SA - receives Lauri Markennen 
Chi - receives Maxi Kleber, Willie Cauley Stein, Trey Burke, 2 2nd round picks.

Who says no?

Me, because then our front court is short-handed - especially if KP goes down. Then you're looking at a wing at the four and Powell-Bobi-Brown as your center rotation. Barf.

DAL:
Murray
White
Thad
Aminu

SAS:
KP
Brunson 
Green
Powell

(08-08-2021, 11:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn’t expect this would be about LM (at least not to Dallas).  It could be Dallas getting involved as a participant in what Chicago and SA have already done.  We can eat a year of Aminu into our TPE and get something in exchange for that.  

Derrick White (27 years old and an Excel client) would certainly solve the secondary playmaker hole.  Good at everything and great at nothing, he’s almost always a positive on court no matter the quality of player around him.   I’m guessing Green and eating Aminu are part of the price.  What else?  Hopefully Powell (that would move Young to PF).  Probably Maxi.  One interesting thing about such a deal is moving salary to Dallas would open space for SA to sign LM to a mid teens deal.  So, maybe Powell after all as the backup C to Poeltl and LM and Young as the PF tandem.  McDermott is their three and someone from among Vassell, Walker and Primo takes the starting SG spot.

Man, I really like the idea of helping SA get LM by using our TE to pick up Aminu and getting a tip of an exchange of White for Powell (and TT?). 

So Aminu for TE and a second (cause we have to send them something right?), then White for Powell and TT. I’d rather the outgoing be Burke, but I think that may be too tough a pill to swallow, not that TT is some sort of much better prize, but it sounds like at least Tor is interested in TT where there is no one out there that wants Burke.

That would also balance out our roster very well.

White/Brunson/Burke or TT
THJ/Brown/Green
DFS or Bullock/Bullock or DFS
Luka/Maxi/Aminu
KP/WCS/Brown/Boban

We have Aminu and Green that can flex into the 3 spot should one of the two go down. Bullock can flex down to SG to get more minutes (taken from Brown and Green). Lots of interchangeable parts on this roster with plenty of O and D to keep on the floor at all times.

(08-08-2021, 11:59 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Me, because then our front court is short-handed - especially if KP goes down. Then you're looking at a wing at the four and Powell-Bobi-Brown as your center rotation. Barf.

With you two open roster spots give me Millsap + Biyombo at the min or something similar. DFS will be your starting 4 anyways.

(08-08-2021, 11:52 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]Dal - receives Derrick White
SA - receives Lauri Markennen 
Chi - receives Maxi Kleber, Willie Cauley Stein, Trey Burke, 2 2nd round picks.

Who says no?

Burke is probably not needed cause Chi now has SO MANY G’s on their roster, the good news is they have a ton of bench big roster spots to fill and what do we have? A bunch of bench bigs. We could send them Maxi, WCS and Brown which would shore up all their bench needs. That kinda leaves us with a hole behind our PF spot with the TE to fill it. I’d be fine with an Aminu swap for the TE at that point as long as we got back a 2023 protected first from them for a second from us. We then use that better looking SA protected pick for ours back from NYK.


THEN we have a full treasure chest ready to pounce when a disgruntled star demands a trade!

(08-08-2021, 12:42 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Chi now has SO MANY G’s on their roster

Aminu is only 30 but it seems like he is 40.  I guess that is what happens when you get traded to Orlando.  He has been in the league for 11 years and outside of a couple of years, he has been a horrid 3 point shooter.

I admit I haven't watched much of Orlando the last two years but I wonder if he is still a defensive presence that he was in Dallas and Portland.

I would rather they look at Harris if Orlando isn't too keen on him.  Harris has the defense if you could get his head straight.....

(08-08-2021, 12:15 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Man, I really like the idea of helping SA get LM by using our TE to pick up Aminu and getting a tip of an exchange of White for Powell (and TT?). 

Yeah, there are lots of mix and match opportunities here.  You also have unbalanced lineups with Chicago and SA both being a bit guard heavy and Dallas having too many centers.  I figured I’d get flamed for not putting enough young talent in the deal (I included Green).  Others think Burke gets it done (don’t see it) and you have suggested Terry (who knows what the scouting departments of those teams think).  Hey, at least we have something to dream about until some of these deals become final.

Chicago is in win now mode and needs some size/D.  Maybe they get Maxi or Powell (probably Maxi, but I really like the roster with Maxi here and Powell gone…not to mention the financial considerations of Aminu expiring and Powell gone).

San Antonio is rebuilding on the fly and needs young talent.  Maybe they get Green plus.

White is the main thing I care about, but if there is a path to also getting Young or Markkanen, sign me up.  Here is how I see it with White being added if Powell was somehow the outgoing:

Luka/Brunson/Terry
White/Sterling/Burke
THJ/Bullock
DFS/Maxi/Aminu
KP/Willie Carley-Moses/Boban

(08-08-2021, 12:52 PM)Bayliss Wrote: [ -> ]Aminu is only 30 but it seems like he is 40.  I guess that is what happens when you get traded to Orlando.  He has been in the league for 11 years and outside of a couple of years, he has been a horrid 3 point shooter.

I admit I haven't watched much of Orlando the last two years but I wonder if he is still a defensive presence that he was in Dallas and Portland.

I would rather they look at Harris if Orlando isn't too keen on him.  Harris has the defense if you could get his head straight.....

Harris is on a $21M expiring contract and the Magic are loaded at PF/C. I don´t see the trade fit with Orlando anymore and the pieces are not spectacular enough to facilitate elaborate three-way trades.

What I could see is maybe a Burke + Moses Brown + cash for Mo Bamba trade, if we give up some of Kleber/Powell/WCS in a separate deal. Bamba is the odd man out in Orlando next summer, so Moses Brown at the minimum for three years is not such a bad trade off. They already offered WCJ the extension, so we already know which side they picked.

(08-08-2021, 11:35 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ] It could be Dallas getting involved as a participant in what Chicago and SA have already done.

I love this train of thought......but help me out (feeling dumb)...

...why hold off on the signings though? Because numbers might change or something?

(08-08-2021, 01:34 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Harris is on a $21M expiring contract and the Magic are loaded at PF/C. I don´t see the trade fit with Orlando anymore and the pieces are not spectacular enough to facilitate elaborate three-way trades.

What I could see is maybe a Burke + Moses Brown + cash for Mo Bamba trade, if we give up some of Kleber/Powell/WCS in a separate deal. Bamba is the odd man out in Orlando next summer, so Moses Brown at the minimum for three years is not such a bad trade off. They already offered WCJ the extension, so we already know which side they picked.

I would take Bamba in a heartbeat.  He needs to stay healthy, and I don't think Orlando has developed him much.  But Orlando doesn't develop their players much at all.  

And I'm not sure they are really thin at guards.  They have Fultz/Ross/Hampton and they drafted Suggs.

(08-08-2021, 01:35 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]...why hold off on the signings though? Because numbers might change or something?

I'm pretty sure I skimmed a section of this thread or another where @"F Gump" shot this one down already, but just to be thorough (at the risk of outing myself as a dumb guy):

Is there any chance that Bullock was signed into space, rather than at the MLE, and that they're currently trying to restructure THJ and maybe even SBrown so that they can make all of those deals (or at least just Bullock/THJ) fit into space, thereby leaving the rMLE open? Maybe even the rMLE and the BAE? 

I have done no math - don't flame me.

(08-08-2021, 01:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Is there any chance that Bullock was signed into space, rather than at the MLE, and that they're currently trying to restructure THJ and maybe even SBrown so that they can make all of those deals (or at least just Bullock/THJ) fit into space, thereby leaving the rMLE open? Maybe even the rMLE and the BAE? 

This would mean renouncing the TPE....does that make sense?

(08-08-2021, 01:49 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]This would mean renouncing the TPE....does that make sense?

Not sure (and not sure if it's even possible) but maybe they have someone who's still currently a FA that they can't get a team to S&T them into the TPE who would fit into the rMLE? 

I don't feel strongly about this theory - just spitballing. 

I think @"DanSchwartzgan" is probably onto something with the SA connection, but I can't see how the pieces fit together, even with that idea, in such a way that makes sense.

(08-08-2021, 01:52 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure (and not sure if it's even possible) but maybe they have someone who's still currently a FA that they can't get a team to S&T them into the TPE who would fit into the rMLE? 

I don't feel strongly about this theory - just spitballing. 

I think @DanSchwartzgan is probably onto something with the SA connection, but I can't see how the pieces fit together, even with that idea, in such a way that makes sense.

I think for THJ the "delay" could be negotiation about deal structure (declinign or increasing deal).

(08-08-2021, 01:35 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I love this train of thought......but help me out (feeling dumb)...

...why hold off on the signings though? Because numbers might change or something?

I don’t know that it does as relates to THJ and Sterling.  I was typing chronologically as I tried to answer your original question.  Started with agent, noticed other clients of that agent weren’t signed also.  Then looked at teams involved and noticed SA seemed to be in the middle of things.  I was just typing as I looked up different things.

Often this kind of delay is about giving other teams a shot to offload something into a deal or creating large TPE’s.  That doesn’t help explain THJ.  Might be that Green outgoing creates a TPE from SA and S. Brown fits into the TPE plus $100k piece of things.  That saves the BAE for another year, so there would be value.  It might also be that THJ took a discount for a cap management strategy that didn’t happen and like the infamous Matthews adjustment picks up a few more dollars if we stay over the cap.

Edit:  Or what Omahen said about THJ.