(01-31-2022, 01:08 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]To me, this makes more sense than Smart to Dallas. He'd be even more helpful next to Young than he would be next to Luka, as the Mavs seem to have found something with Green and/or Ntilikina (fingers crossed).
Meanwhile, Collins would help tremendously with the other main need we always debate around here.
I like this one a lot, especially if some type of poor man's Brunson can be acquired in a smaller deal or through the buyout market. Maybe Dragic, maybe someone else.
Tbh, I'd do it even if it meant moving Burke into the rotation for the rest of the year. I've liked what he has given the team this season, and that might help him become slightly more enticing as part of a summer package.
As soon as Bill said it, it made too much sense for me. ATL gets their starter they are looking for with Collins, Mavs get their guy that not only can play next to KP, but potentially replace him. Boston gets their PG without touching the core of Tatum+Brown.
I took it a step further and included OKC because they (should be) motivated to get to the salary floor for this season and a THJ for Favors swap makes too much sense as well.
I think the Mavs would probably have to add Kleber in the deal to ATL, unfortunately, but doing so also frees up enough space to add Bogdanovic's deal to the Mavs. Lots of permutations to this framework.
The Schroeder tidbit is interesting. I'm curious why they wouldn't take a gamble on him if he was cheap (say a 2nd rounder). I know Schroeder has garnered the reputation of being a poor locker room guy with a temper, maybe they don't want to take a chance on that. I mean I've been against Schroeder for the longest time and the only reason I like him now is he is most likely the cheapest 15ppg PG on the market that can replace Brunson.
Boston is looking to dump Schroder for a reason. If it was just about money there are plenty of guys they could trade to get under the tax. So I don't think it's just about money.
(01-31-2022, 01:41 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]The Schroeder tidbit is interesting. I'm curious why they wouldn't take a gamble on him if he was cheap (say a 2nd rounder). I know Schroeder has garnered the reputation of being a poor locker room guy with a temper, maybe they don't want to take a chance on that. I mean I've been against Schroeder for the longest time and the only reason I like him now is he is most likely the cheapest 15ppg PG on the market that can replace Brunson.
I think Schroeder is a no-go from the Mavs perspective. Don't think they want a locker room cancer. Plus, the same article suggested we do not want to trade Brunson so no need to replace (at least at the TDL).
I wonder if that lack of interest in other Mavs players includes KP. Hard to imagine he has not garnered some interest.
I am getting the impression that Dragic is going to get traded, bought out, and then go to Miami.
I am getting worried that we may not do anything at the TDL, watch Brunson walk in offseason, and go into complete scramble mode to find a backup PG while trying to stay under the tax.
(01-31-2022, 02:05 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I am getting worried that we may not do anything at the TDL, watch Brunson walk in offseason, and go into complete scramble mode to find a backup PG while trying to stay under the tax.
I mean in the event of that DEFCON 1 scenario, I'd imagine most fans would absolutely destroy Cuban and never let him live it down. He got away with destroying the title team and ruining Dirk's twilight because we just came off happy drunk with the title. I'm getting the feeling much of the fanbase is ready to actually take the leap and Cuban fucking things up that bad will have him ridiculed till the end of days.
And if there's one thing Cubes hates the most, it's getting his ego bruised.
(01-31-2022, 02:12 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I mean in the event of that DEFCON 1 scenario, I'd imagine most fans would absolutely destroy Cuban and never let him live it down. He got away with destroying the title team and ruining Dirk's twilight because we just came off happy drunk with the title. I'm getting the feeling much of the fanbase is ready to actually take the leap and Cuban fucking things up that bad will have him ridiculed till the end of days.
And if there's one thing Cubes hates the most, it's getting his ego bruised.
This organization feels more and more like the Cowboys. Owner who is overinvolved to begin with wins a championship (or 3) does something really stupid (break up team or fire coach) and gets even more involved which ultimately leads to years of dysfunction and failure.
Maybe Nico will be the Mavs Will McClay, but I have my doubts, and even then its a long process to pull out of.
(01-31-2022, 01:39 PM)SamStetz Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MavsFilmRoom/status/1488219014027481091
Thanks for posting....sort of what I am expecting to happen. I don't see a big move for Dallas, unless you consider Dragic being bought out and signing here. Although if he is traded and bought out, it would not surprise me to see Miami as the leading contender to sign him.
I also agree about the offense. We have scored over a 100 points in each of the three games with Hardaway, but offense still worries me. Especially in important games. If one of our top 3 struggle, it could get rough. If two struggle, there is not many options for us to score.
I still think this offseason, next trade deadline or the following offseason will be areas we can make our "all in" move. Hopefully by then we have improved around the edges to be ready for that move.
(01-31-2022, 02:12 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I mean in the event of that DEFCON 1 scenario, I'd imagine most fans would absolutely destroy Cuban and never let him live it down. He got away with destroying the title team and ruining Dirk's twilight because we just came off happy drunk with the title. I'm getting the feeling much of the fanbase is ready to actually take the leap and Cuban fucking things up that bad will have him ridiculed till the end of days.
And if there's one thing Cubes hates the most, it's getting his ego bruised.
Egotistical jackasses like Cubes don't get their egos bruised by peasants. The only bruise you can inflict on someone like him is to bruise his wallet.
Cowboys fans have said that for years about Jerry too but they just keep showing up and lining his pockets.
Just have to accept that this Franchise has to win in spite of its meddling owner...and that is one of the toughest things to do in sports.
Today's Lowe Post is a pretty good listen...especially if you want to hear news that supports the idea of Brunson continuing on as a Mav past the deadline and into next season.
MacMahon (not exactly a Mav's mouthpiece) was pretty unequivocal that Brunson isn't going anywhere now (absent a "what the....." kind of offer) and likely to stay this summer also. Lowe was selling the "Dallas can't lock itself into this lineup" line and TM was not buying. Tim was selling the "Mav's aren't that far off". He said they feel they need a little more offensive juice at the TDL. No names named.
Both were skeptical of the biggest names coming to Dallas (what do we have to give...especially if we can't unlock picks?). Big determinant of direction will be Luka's opinion of where the team is. Can't appear cheap. Can't take a step back to take a step forward. Win now and figure out the money later (they also made the argument that DFS at $11-$12mm and Brunson at $15-$17mm are tradeable later).
(01-31-2022, 06:23 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Today's Lowe Post is a pretty good listen...especially if you want to hear news that supports the idea of Brunson continuing on as a Mav past the deadline and into next season.
MacMahon (not exactly a Mav's mouthpiece) was pretty unequivocal that Brunson isn't going anywhere now (absent a "what the....." kind of offer) and likely to stay this summer also. Lowe was selling the "Dallas can't lock itself into this lineup" line and TM was not buying. Tim was selling the "Mav's aren't that far off". He said they feel they need a little more offensive juice at the TDL. No names named.
Both were skeptical of the biggest names coming to Dallas (what do we have to give...especially if we can't unlock picks?). Big determinant of direction will be Luka's opinion of where the team is. Can't appear cheap. Can't take a step back to take a step forward. Win now and figure out the money later (they also made the argument that DFS at $11-$12mm and Brunson at $15-$17mm are tradeable later).
OK, as stated Mavs going into the tax next year by keeping JB and DFS. But need a little more O this season for the playoffs. How about a Kleber for Oubre trade and Mavs run a starting line-up as; Porzingis, Finney-Smith, Oubre, Brunson and Doncic. 2nd unit would be Powell, Chriss, Bullock, Green and Ntilikina.
You could include Moses w/Kleber for Oubre if we think we can still get Dragic in a buy-out. Or just wave Moses if needed for Dragic.
Thanks for the summary, Dan.
It sounds like Brunson wants to stay, Cuban is willing to pay the tax to keep him, and the numbers being thrown around will make him a good long-term asset. I assume until I hear otherwise that the same goes for DFS. IMO that's good news all around.
Now I really do want more info on that extra offense, though.
(01-31-2022, 10:11 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the summary, Dan.
It sounds like Brunson wants to stay, Cuban is willing to pay the tax to keep him, and the numbers being thrown around will make him a good long-term asset. I assume until I hear otherwise that the same goes for DFS. IMO that's good news all around.
Now I really do want more info on that extra offense, though.
The most obvious answer would be Dragic, although he might end up in Miami. Schroder would be another possibility, but I think the Mavs are out on him. Kemba is another thought, but he looks to be on his last legs and that contract is not going to help the tax situation next year. Not a fan of trading a key defensive piece away for offense.
EDIT: I guess Jeremy Lamb would be another option. He has not been good this year though.
I sorta figure Cedi Osman is on the list, as Dallas has been linked to him already. I wonder if Cleveland would be interested in Burke or Brown as a fill-in for Rubio. Interestingly, Osman would fit into the Dallas TPE and either Mav would fit into the Cleveland TPE.
While the big deals get the most attention, coming away with Dragic and Osman on the cheap would be a nice deadline accomplishment. That would definitely give the second unit a bit more offensive juice.
I like the Osman into the TPE idea as I’ve tossed around trade proposals for him in the past.
Another fun one is Lamb into the TPE and Burke into Indiana’s TPE.
(01-31-2022, 10:55 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]The most obvious answer would be Dragic, although he might end up in Miami. Schroder would be another possibility, but I think the Mavs are out on him. Kemba is another thought, but he looks to be on his last legs and that contract is not going to help the tax situation next year. Not a fan of trading a key defensive piece away for offense.
EDIT: I guess Jeremy Lamb would be another option. He has not been good this year though.
An expiring guy into the TPE is the most obvious way to accomplish this. Absent that, probably the best way to improve the O is to move on from a guy who is bad at it. If you narrow the list to guys who have enough salary to bring back someone making more money than the TPE (for trade matching purposes), then by most measures that means Bullock or Maxi (key defensive pieces as you put it).
When KP, Luka and Brunson are all healthy, in theory there is enough O in the starting lineup. I also think Maxi is pretty integral to the starting lineup working because he fits well with KP. It is the bench that is really hurting for some Juice (as MacMahon put it). Personally, Josh plays D as good or better than Bullock already. So, you can get Bullock's Defensive production elsewhere on the roster and use Bullock's salary (possibly in combination with Burke or Sterling or Moses) to get as high as $17.7 in returning salary.
I don't know if it will be fruitful, but I'd probably do a search for players on bad defensive teams with high payrolls who would be a salary match for Bullock (or Bullock +) but wouldn't fit into the TPE. I'd add Kennard to the names talked about. He and Bullock are a fairly even D for O swap. If the Clipps are ready to throw in the towel on the season, you could also do Bullock/Moses for Kennard/Ibaka and save LA a ton of tax.
I don't see much point in bringing in another average guard/wing, we already have plenty. Kennard is basically same thing as THJ, so as long as we have THJ on the payroll, I don't see any point bringing in his 4 year deal. Bullock brings more value, imho. If we really feel the need to replace THJ production, than bought out player or expiring contract is the only thing that makes much sense, imho.
PF is by far the biggest position of need imho. Maxi is just asked to do too much and there is really no one behind him. This is exposed big time in games against strongest opponents. Offense stops when he gets the ball unless he has a wide open shot. His reaction when he gets the ball is just too slow and inacurate. I love Maxi, but his role is 20 minutes per night, imho.
In principle I don't agree with the assessment stated by MacMahon that Mavs are very close. I think it is a mistake to think this way and it will lead to continously subpar roster that will not be good enough. If one thinks the team is really close, than spending some assets to tinkle around the edges makes sense.
However, I think Mavs moves should derive from following assessment - we are ok but not good enough. This means your goal is to create a team that will be a contender - bigger moves are needed. Spending assets on expiring contracts doesn't make sense under such evaluation. Locking same team under long term contracts is also a questionable move, but at least we will have the contracts for the trades in later opportunities. I am not convinced Brunson at 18 per is a good contract, for example. I am really affraid, Mavs roster will be just filled with guys that don't have real trade value. Rebuilding teams want youngsters with upside and picks. They are not interested in high floor - low ceiling players under long term contracts.
Under this assessment, I would be hunting a big move hard. Either for an established player, but I would also consider assets if the offer is good. If that is not on the table, I wouldn't spend any asset for yet another low ceiling guy.
(02-01-2022, 03:50 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Under this assessment, I would be hunting a big move hard. Either for an established player, but I would also consider assets if the offer is good. If that is not on the table, I wouldn't spend any asset for yet another low ceiling guy.
That's how I see it two, minus the "assets thing".
But realistic, that means keep your good players, wait for "the guy".
KP+Moses for Gary Harris+Isaac?
So, it's KP for:
- a 6'10 defender coming from an ACL, who may not be fully healthy until 2023. And even at full health may be nothing more than a long defender who can score some. He is 24, how much improvement can he make specially coming from injury? But if he regains his play and improves even for a bit, then, the Mavs would hit a home run.
- a short term THJ replacement.
- clearing salary to be able to pay JB and DFS.
Of course, Mavs will be without a second option this year, but it helps the Mavs next season.
(02-01-2022, 06:15 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]KP+Moses for Gary Harris+Isaac?
So, it's KP for:
- a 6'10 defender coming from an ACL, who may not be fully healthy until 2023. And even at full health may be nothing more than a long defender who can score some. He is 24, how much improvement can he make specially coming from injury? But if he regains his play and improves even for a bit, then, the Mavs would hit a home run.
- a short term THJ replacement.
- clearing salary to be able to pay JB and DFS.
Of course, Mavs will be without a second option this year, but it helps the Mavs next season.
Is Isaac a Texan too?