https://twitter.com/dfwticket/status/149...59847?s=20&t=dvbS9EJpT1jZn0mEecRoYA
Really good listen here of Nico answering a bunch of questions.
- -Said he identified a bunch of trades for KP that they'd like but "if the other team isn't interested then there's no trade there." Takes two to tango essentially.
- -Said it took a long time to identify what this team needed. They wanted to know by Christmas, but injuries and COVID prolonged that timeline.
- -Said the biggest need was depth on the bench, especially after Timmy went down.
- -Said it took a good long time to identify what other teams wanted. Tried to identify trade partners as soon as they could.
- -Said that "We weren't shopping KP. And we didn't throw out his name first" *(sounds like posturing to me to be honest as this contradicts a lot of reports by Stein, McMahon, etc.)
- -Said that WAS was interested in KP and that talks started a week before TDL day. It wasn't until actual TDL day that they came to accept WAS trade package (probably due to lack of other offers).
- -Said that there were exploratory convos with other teams around KP, but since they didn't actively shop him they didn't really have many convos with many teams other than WAS and TOR.
- -Said they have scouts that know about other team's locker rooms and actively keep tabs on them. They know "a little bit why other team's locker rooms are in shambles." But every locker room is different.
- -Said that Kidd's scheme is all about team defense and getting guys to buy in, so it was easier to trade KP despite him having a defensive resurgence.
- -Said that we didn't trade KP because of his poor health, but because they wanted depth and flexibility. But availability is important. Really underscores depth.
- -Said he called KP, and it was tough. KP was really gracious in taking the news. And that everyone left on good terms. Called KP easy to like and had great work ethic.
- -Said that DFS is an amazing person. DFS earned everything
- -Said that getting Dragic would be really hard. "We have a full roster. For us to get another player we'd have to release one of the guys we already got"
Seriously don't get that logic. If the question is between Frank vs. Dragic in the playoffs, I'd pick Dragic every time.
(02-16-2022, 09:55 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1493951044472168451
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This is encouraging feedback. But it's also refreshing, to see the team is being remade into something different that's better, and basically by better coaching (words I never thought I'd say after RC left).
Spoelstra's comments also directly contradict what a lot of posters on this board seem to think the Mavs need: size.
Sure, we traded a 7'3" guy for a 6'5" guy and a 6'10" guy ... but Dinwiddie is a big and long guard; while Bertans has length to bother guys (and snap a quick release three against anyone).
Direct quote from Spo "They did have a lot of size. That's what makes them unique".
(02-16-2022, 04:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Really good listen here.
Sure sounds like a guy who is the GM and not one who is just changing the internal structures of the organization.
Really appreciated how Nico was VERY careful not give other organizations the impression they were shopping KP in order to keep rumors from flying. He accomplished that for sure.
Also super interesting how they "scout" the opposing team's lockerrooms.
Nico continued to hammer the "flexibility" part of the trade (as well as "depth"), and how it gives them an easier ability to move and contracts in the future.
(02-16-2022, 04:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/dfwticket/status/149...59847?s=20&t=dvbS9EJpT1jZn0mEecRoYA
Really good listen here of Nico answering a bunch of questions.- -Said he identified a bunch of trades for KP that they'd like but "if the other team isn't interested then there's no trade there." Takes two to tango essentially.
- -Said it took a long time to identify what this team needed. They wanted to know by Christmas, but injuries and COVID prolonged that timeline.
- -Said the biggest need was depth on the bench, especially after Timmy went down.
- -Said it took a good long time to identify what other teams wanted. Tried to identify trade partners as soon as they could.
- -Said that "We weren't shopping KP. And we didn't throw out his name first" *(sounds like posturing to me to be honest as this contradicts a lot of reports by Stein, McMahon, etc.)
- -Said that WAS was interested in KP and that talks started a week before TDL day. It wasn't until actual TDL day that they came to accept WAS trade package (probably due to lack of other offers).
- -Said that there were exploratory convos with other teams around KP, but since they didn't actively shop him they didn't really have many convos with many teams other than WAS and TOR.
- -Said they have scouts that know about other team's locker rooms and actively keep tabs on them. They know "a little bit why other team's locker rooms are in shambles." But every locker room is different.
- -Said that Kidd's scheme is all about team defense and getting guys to buy in, so it was easier to trade KP despite him having a defensive resurgence.
- -Said that we didn't trade KP because of his poor health, but because they wanted depth and flexibility. But availability is important. Really underscores depth.
- -Said he called KP, and it was tough. KP was really gracious in taking the news. And that everyone left on good terms. Called KP easy to like and had great work ethic.
- -Said that DFS is an amazing person. DFS earned everything
- -Said that getting Dragic would be really hard. "We have a full roster. For us to get another player we'd have to release one of the guys we already got"
Seriously don't get that logic. If the question is between Frank vs. Dragic in the playoffs, I'd pick Dragic every time.
I doubt Dragic wanted to sign here, because we are not seen as a legit contender, so I give the new MBT credit for just stepping away from it rather than getting embarrassed again.
(02-16-2022, 04:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]-Said that "We weren't shopping KP. And we didn't throw out his name first" *(sounds like posturing to me to be honest as this contradicts a lot of reports by Stein, McMahon, etc.)
Felt like he was lying a little bit there, but it also rang true. It was incredible that the first time KP's name came up was from Jake Fischer within hours of the trade deadline. Nico was clearly being very careful not to give other teams the impression they were shopping KP. He did a hell of a job with that.
(02-16-2022, 04:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously don't get that logic. If the question is between Frank vs. Dragic in the playoffs, I'd pick Dragic every time.
As Stein reported back in October, the Mavs have "big plans" for FN and really think he has a future in the league. Burke on the other hand? I would dump him for Dragic, but not sure there are enough minutes for Dragic to be happy.
(02-16-2022, 04:43 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]Spoelstra's comments also directly contradict what a lot of posters on this board seem to think the Mavs need: size.
Sure, we traded a 7'3" guy for a 6'5" guy and a 6'10" guy ... but Dinwiddie is a big and long guard; while Bertans has length to bother guys (and snap a quick release three against anyone).
Direct quote from Spo "They did have a lot of size. That's what makes them unique".
They have a lot of average size in the starting five, probably because we have that 6´7 PG. That´s basically how you play defense in the new NBA. Lots of faster wing size defender at every position to switch everything and contest everything, to help and jump passing lanes with long arms.
Nevertheless you do sacrifice some rebounding and we see it every game. It just seems that it´s still better than playing with Porzingis, but there will probably be match-ups where we´ll get killed inside.
Let´s be honest Porzingis was a poor help/switch defender and not nearly as good a rim protector/rebounder as he needed to be, to make up for his speed deficit. I have always felt that despite the size disadvantage the opposition shots around the rim were more contested, when Porzingis didn´t play.
(02-16-2022, 04:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]As Stein reported back in October, the Mavs have "big plans" for FN and really think he has a future in the league. Burke on the other hand? I would dump him for Dragic, but not sure there are enough minutes for Dragic to be happy.
It also plays into the luxury tax. Frank is non-guaranted. Burke is dead money. At 3.3M you can trade him away while paying his full salary on another team (by sending cash with it), which still means it doesn´t count against our tax. If you waive him for a few months of Dragic, you carry the full tax burden. Therefore I think it was either Dragic or Frank.
Though like I said I believe the real reason is simply Dragic not wanting to sign with a non-contender.
(02-16-2022, 04:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously don't get that logic. If the question is between Frank vs. Dragic in the playoffs, I'd pick Dragic every time.
Who was it? I think @"DanSchwartzgan" quoted someone about NBA roster construction. 8 guys play in the playoffs. Maybe 2 guys need to be ready to play. The rest of the roster is cheerleaders that wont make waves about playing time.
Luka, Brunson, DFS, Maxi, Powell, Bullock, Dinwiddie, Bertans
Dinwiddie fills the role Dragic would play. Even if Dragic is better than Burke, he'd have to have enough of an attachment to the Mavs in order to sacrifice. Like JJ Barea did. Mavs aren't a contender.
Now whether Dinwiddie or Dragic are better the rest of this season. That's a real discussion.
(02-16-2022, 04:53 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Felt like he was lying a little bit there, but it also rang true. It was incredible that the first time KP's name came up was from Jake Fischer within hours of the trade deadline. Nico was clearly being very careful not to give other teams the impression they were shopping KP. He did a hell of a job with that.
KOC, Stein, Cato, and Fischer all had similar reports that came out after the fact that the Mavs started seriously discussing trading KP Wednesday night before the TDL. And that TOR was the main team.
Nico basically said they were having exploratory convos with teams as far back as a week before. So I think he isn't lying that they weren't outright shopping KP, but that they viewed by the end that moving him checked the most boxes that they identified of need. We did hear a bunch of THJ rumors, and even Brunson/DFS rumors as well.
Nico chose KP as the move. I think the return had Mark's fingerprints all over it though. Really seems like the WAS package (that was probably offered a week prior) was discussed by all parties (Mark, Nico, Fin), and they decided at the last moment to go with it.
(02-16-2022, 04:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]As Stein reported back in October, the Mavs have "big plans" for FN and really think he has a future in the league. Burke on the other hand? I would dump him for Dragic, but not sure there are enough minutes for Dragic to be happy.
Whether he fits depends on how many minutes you think you would allocate to others. The current depth chart looks like this:
Rotation Sporadic Backup
C - DP, Maxi (Chriss, Bobi)
PF - DFS, Bertans
SF - Bullock, Green (Brown)
SG - Brunson (Franky) (THJ)
PG - Luka, SD (Burke)
You have 144 minutes to divide at SF-SG-PG between 5 players, and Green isn't likely to get a full share. But if he gets 1/2 of what the others do, and they basically get the same apiece, that's 32 per (with Green getting 16). With GD replacing Burke and also getting a regular half-shift, it's 28 each (and GD/Green each gets 14), which is pretty sparse minutes for your better players. I can see why they'd decide 'no' this time.
(02-16-2022, 04:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]As Stein reported back in October, the Mavs have "big plans" for FN and really think he has a future in the league.
I'd be surprised if they still feel that way.
https://twitter.com/KirkSeriousFace/stat...50276?s=20&t=7BdH66H4tvV7rg8v_W42HA
It's this kind of language by the author of this tweet that makes me absolutely despise Mavs Twittersphere. Such doom and gloom.
I'm sure the Mavs were confident at one point in all 3 guys. But things change. In the Dragic case, the Mavs chose Dindwiddie over him it seems. That's not the same as Dragic spurning the Mavs. *It remains to be seen if they made the right choice.
Carter left because the Mavs didn't have the space to match MEM deal because they chose to sign Parsons. Kidd was looking to sign with a team that was ready to compete. The way Kidd left blindsided us all as he originally committed to resign but backed out. O'Neal was 2 years removed from the NBA in 2016 and never came back anyways.
Seriously makes me enraged.
(02-16-2022, 05:09 PM)SatnamSingh Wrote: [ -> ]Who was it? I think @"DanSchwartzgan" quoted someone about NBA roster construction. 8 guys play in the playoffs. Maybe 2 guys need to be ready to play. The rest of the roster is cheerleaders that wont make waves about playing time.
Luka, Brunson, DFS, Maxi, Powell, Bullock, Dinwiddie, Bertans
Dinwiddie fills the role Dragic would play. Even if Dragic is better than Burke, he'd have to have enough of an attachment to the Mavs in order to sacrifice. Like JJ Barea did. Mavs aren't a contender.
Now whether Dinwiddie or Dragic are better the rest of this season. That's a real discussion.
You have a point. If it's between Dinwiddie and Dragic, that I don't really know. Dinwiddie is younger, but Dragic has had the better career.
Right now today Dinwiddie is the better player (but he is 8 years younger than Dragic). I'd rather have both. They both do different things.
I think there are minutes to be had between Luka/Brunson/Dinwiddie. And Dragic gives us yet another guard that can create his own shot.
(02-16-2022, 04:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]As Stein reported back in October, the Mavs have "big plans" for FN and really think he has a future in the league.
'Plans' change, right?
That sounds like just another Signing PR (or Camp PR) type of statement, and fairly meaningless as a guide to the long term.
Obviously he was highly regarded when drafted, so it's no surprise they liked the raw material to work with.
But I would expect their evaluation of him has become expanded/modified significantly since then (for better, or worse) because of the benefit of months of observation to work from. FWIW I bet Burke (who can run the point and create some offense, when needed) is higher in their pecking order right now.