(01-08-2022, 04:56 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Just seems dumb to me. Here we have a 23 year old phenom that has shown the ability to carry a franchise and we're asking him to change his approach versus the role players changing theirs.
Hear me out.
Luka is awesome! But he still has room for improvement, and as he continues to refine his game he'll get even better.
Thank you for attending my TED talk.
(01-08-2022, 05:26 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]Over dribbling, bad step back threes when he could pass and get other guys involved and bad defense are energy killers
I agree that Luka has fallen in love with contested step back threes. So far I've been blaming this on his injuries/lack of conditioning tiring him out and preventing him from taking people off the dribble as often.
But the worst offender on this team for bad three pointers is THJ and we don't see anyone talking about his consistent chucking. Look all I'm saying is that Luka's style, while has some flaws, has been the only consistent winning basketball this team has played since Dirk. No one was talking about Luka's style limiting this team's ceiling before he came in out of shape and a step slow.
So I'm not going to overreact. This team needs better role players as they've always needed. Brunson has grown a lot this year (though with some issues against length like we saw against GSW where he struggled). KP looks revitalized and is playing well and I'm eager to see him play more with Luka this year. DFS has reaffirmed he's a winning player and should be brought back. Powell is having a heck of a defensive run the last 3 weeks and has me seriously questioning if we should move on from him. Maxi is as consistent as ever. Even Bullock and S.Brown are rounding into form.
Yet we got guys like THJ, WCS, Burke, and Moses Brown where we have no clue what they'll bring any given night and more likely will be good for 4-5 low IQ basketball plays.
I cannot wait for Luka to prove everyone wrong because 2 mediocre (by his standard) months are having forget his sheer dominance he's exhibited since he's gotten in the league.
(01-08-2022, 08:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I agree that Luka has fallen in love with contested step back threes. So far I've been blaming this on his injuries/lack of conditioning tiring him out and preventing him from taking people off the dribble as often.
But the worst offender on this team for bad three pointers is THJ and we don't see anyone talking about his consistent chucking. Look all I'm saying is that Luka's style, while has some flaws, has been the only consistent winning basketball this team has played since Dirk. No one was talking about Luka's style limiting this team's ceiling before he came in out of shape and a step slow.
So I'm not going to overreact. This team needs better role players as they've always needed. Brunson has grown a lot this year (though with some issues against length like we saw against GSW where he struggled). KP looks revitalized and is playing well and I'm eager to see him play more with Luka this year. DFS has reaffirmed he's a winning player and should be brought back. Powell is having a heck of a defensive run the last 3 weeks and has me seriously questioning if we should move on from him. Maxi is as consistent as ever. Even Bullock and S.Brown are rounding into form.
Yet we got guys like THJ, WCS, Burke, and Moses Brown where we have no clue what they'll bring any given night and more likely will be good for 4-5 low IQ basketball plays.
I cannot wait for Luka to prove everyone wrong because 2 mediocre (by his standard) months are having forget his sheer dominance he's exhibited since he's gotten in the league.
Everyone knows Luka is great and can carry....do we have to circle back to that every time lukas game is being discussed? No one thinks he is a bad bball player or wants to trade him.
The team seems to play more engaged with him not in...that's a huge wart to have no matter how good you are. We can argue about the teams they have played with him sitting and how good or bad they are...or how the team has looked like trash against good teams with Luka out....regardless, they seem to have more energy with him out.
REGULAR SEASON games...I think it would HELP TEAM MORALE if Luka went with with less efficient approach and passed the ball around more. This is to get guys involved and more engaged.
That's fine if you want to hang your argument on the fact that these guys are paid to win and not paid to have fun...and Lukas offense is very very efficient. But, again, do guys check out? Even if paid to play bball...is it possible they check out a little?
To just suggest trading off everyone until you get Luka compatible players seems outrageous. You are really really narrowing your pool of available players.
Let Luka have the playoffs.
And...going back to last year and kp being called a whiny bitch because he possibly complained about lack of ball movement....seems like he might have been right if it increase team energy on the court
(01-08-2022, 08:38 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]REGULAR SEASON games...I think it would HELP TEAM MORALE if Luka went with with less efficient approach and passed the ball around more. This is to get guys involved and more engaged.
I think that was Dirk's greatest gift
He was able to keep his teammates engaged and fighting for him and then in the 4th he could take over dealing a few deadly shots
(01-08-2022, 08:46 PM)Jym Wrote: [ -> ]I think that was Dirk's greatest gift
He was able to keep his teammates engaged and fighting for him and then in the 4th he could take over dealing a few deadly shots
Apparently we arent playing basketball anymore...it's Luka ball. There is no team.
Why is it Luka ball now? Because money, efficiency and winning.
Things change I guess.
Curious if anyone knows more about why WCS is out so long for personal reasons.
(01-08-2022, 09:39 PM)Fromthecorner Wrote: [ -> ]Curious if anyone knows more about why WCS is out so long for personal reasons.
There's a thread on reddit about it..go there
(01-08-2022, 09:53 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]There's a thread on reddit about it..go there
Can you summarize in a sentence or two what they are saying over there?
(01-08-2022, 08:18 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]But the worst offender on this team for bad three pointers is THJ and we don't see anyone talking about his consistent chucking. Look all I'm saying is that Luka's style, while has some flaws, has been the only consistent winning basketball this team has played since Dirk. No one was talking about Luka's style limiting this team's ceiling before he came in out of shape and a step slow.
I don't think we stop talking about how bad THJ is.
To add to this conversation, you can't look at how this team has played over the past month, sans Luka, and and say they aren't playing a better brand of basketball and are doing so because they are hitting shots. This all started the moment his went out after the initial ankle roll that had him out a while. We saw the increased ball movement, the defensive improvements etc., and we saw the ball move far more than when Luka was playing. Some of that was out of necessity, but its simply a better brand of basketball.
There's no question that Luka is great but he needs to understand when to slow the game down and when to step back and let the offense flow. It'll reduce his workload, saving him for end of games and the playoffs. It'll acclimate the role players to moving without the ball and improving their own contributions and confidences over the season and it improves the trade values of the players you have overall assuming the latter is true and successful.
It's a win win all around.
(01-08-2022, 04:56 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I can see the Thunder accepting a Burke+WCS for Favors trade as it saves them 2 mil and gives the Mavs an open roster spot.
New Orleans might be another logical situation. Satoransky is expiring and has been horrible this year. But, if you are asking another team to take your trash, you have to take trash back. He is a ball handler and could be insurance at the position. He also fits into the TPE.
Because Sato fits in the TPE, any two low salary players would work we don’t have to trade match. NO is ripe for a two for one as they just waived Gary Clark and have an open roster spot. NO also has TPE’s of their own should the need arise in the design of the deal.
(01-08-2022, 10:03 PM)luka_skywalker_77 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think we stop talking about how bad THJ is.
To add to this conversation, you can't look at how this team has played over the past month, sans Luka, and and say they aren't playing a better brand of basketball and are doing so because they are hitting shots. This all started the moment his went out after the initial ankle roll that had him out a while. We saw the increased ball movement, the defensive improvements etc., and we saw the ball move far more than when Luka was playing. Some of that was out of necessity, but its simply a better brand of basketball.
There's no question that Luka is great but he needs to understand when to slow the game down and when to step back and let the offense flow. It'll reduce his workload, saving him for end of games and the playoffs. It'll acclimate the role players to moving without the ball and improving their own contributions and confidences over the season and it improves the trade values of the players you have overall assuming the latter is true and successful.
It's a win win all around.
No doubt. Thank you. There are benefits to getting everyone involved. The trade value is big and so is confidence to do something with the ball in playoffs. Luka ball retards this. Sorry bout it. Yeah I said it.
(01-08-2022, 10:00 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Can you summarize in a sentence or two what they are saying over there?
Driving right now..give me a few
(01-08-2022, 10:13 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]New Orleans might be another logical situation. Satoransky is expiring and has been horrible this year. But, if you are asking another team to take your trash, you have to take trash back. He is a ball handler and could be insurance at the position. He also fits into the TPE.
Because Sato fits in the TPE, any two low salary players would work we don’t have to trade match. NO is ripe for a two for one as they just waived Gary Clark and have an open roster spot. NO also has TPE’s of their own should the need arise in the design of the deal.
I wouldn't mind a Sato trade. Especially because I think he can revitalize himself on a winning team.
(01-09-2022, 06:53 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't mind a Sato trade. Especially because I think he can revitalize himself on a winning team.
I don´t think we need another guard, unless it is a clear upgrade over THJ or Brunson.
Right now we are trying to split 144 minutes between Doncic ( 30), Brunson (30), DFS (30), THJ (24), Bullock (20), Brown (12), Green (12), Ntilikina (8). That´s 166 minutes, if you shift Doncic/DFS to some minutes at PF this barely works out. Where does Satoransky factor in?
Maybe in a THJ cap configuration trade Satoransky is an option. Also if he needed a winning team to re-vitalize him, he can just do it on the Pelicans. They started 1-12 without Ingram. Since Nov. 13th they are 13-13. 11-9 in their last 20 games. They continue that form they could sneak into the play-in.
We need a better PF/C as injury insurance for Porzingis, Kleber with Powell as the 3rd option at the moment. Right now Marquese Chriss is our 4th option. Boban, WCS and M. Brown are simply not there (yet).
(01-09-2022, 07:32 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I don´t think we need another guard, unless it is a clear upgrade over THJ or Brunson.
Right now we are trying to split 144 minutes between Doncic ( 30), Brunson (30), DFS (30), THJ (24), Bullock (20), Brown (12), Green (12), Ntilikina (8). That´s 166 minutes, if you shift Doncic/DFS to some minutes at PF this barely works out. Where does Satoransky factor in?
Maybe in a THJ cap configuration trade Satoransky is an option. Also if he needed a winning team to re-vitalize him, he can just do it on the Pelicans. They started 1-12 without Ingram. Since Nov. 13th they are 13-13. 11-9 in their last 20 games. They continue that form they could sneak into the play-in.
We need a better PF/C as injury insurance for Porzingis, Kleber with Powell as the 3rd option at the moment. Right now Marquese Chriss is our 4th option. Boban, WCS and M. Brown are simply not there (yet).
The point of the trade isn't Sato. It is creating a spot for Chriss...our fourth option at PF. BTW, Sato and a second could be turned into Thaddeus Young. That's actually the guy you want if you want to add a PF.
If Burke is in the outgoing, you don't have a guy who can really orchestrate the O should Luka or Brunson get dinged. None of THJ, DFS, Bullock, Brown, Green or Ntilikina has averaged 9 or 10 assists in a year like Sato has.
(01-08-2022, 10:28 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]Driving right now..give me a few
Unable to find it in Reddit so I will look forward to the brief summation from you. Thanks!