(08-08-2021, 01:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]This is interesting.
The one I was more intrigued by was the Green TPE allowing us to save the BAE and still get S. Brown.
(08-08-2021, 02:00 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]The one I was more intrigued by was the Green TPE allowing us to save the BAE and still get S. Brown.
Yeah, lol, you're right, for sure.
My "cynical settings" are set pretty high this week, sorry. I just jumped at something that felt true.
(08-08-2021, 01:46 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty sure I skimmed a section of this thread or another where @"F Gump" shot this one down already, but just to be thorough (at the risk of outing myself as a dumb guy):
Is there any chance that Bullock was signed into space, rather than at the MLE, and that they're currently trying to restructure THJ and maybe even SBrown so that they can make all of those deals (or at least just Bullock/THJ) fit into space, thereby leaving the rMLE open? Maybe even the rMLE and the BAE?
I have done no math - don't flame me.
I believe I was involved in that thread where @"F Gump" laid out solid logic as to why we were already operating over the cap.
The logic was sound so I didn’t find any disagreement, but the way my mind works is that until the rocket returns to the earth, anything can still happen. And I don’t know enough details to speculate either way. So until the ship has sailed and its official, we might as well keep it in the back of our minds that there is something we don’t see or don’t understand.
(08-08-2021, 02:04 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, lol, you're right, for sure.
My "cynical settings" are set pretty high this week, sorry. I just jumped at something that felt true.
Well, let’s try to make all of this work.
THJ is waiting to do a declining deal (as Omahen said).
Bullock announcing for the full MLE means we are over the cap and the $10.8mm TPE is in play (so Aminu is a go).
Maxi plus Green for White doesn’t create a TPE. Maxi by himself isn’t a trade match for White. So, it has to be Maxi plus a very small contract or Powell if you are trading for White in such a way as to create a TPE of $2.957mm by also sending Green. Does SA have space? Well, we don’t know for sure as the Forbes amount isn’t announced…(another Excel client). But, as an under the cap team, SA can’t go over with FA’s signing into space. Once they get to $112.4mm, they can create space again by sending Aminu here into our TPE…so this works. BTW, Moses can’t be aggregated yet, but he can be traded into space.
Houston sends S. Brown here for the TPE plus $100k which fits by $33k (and helps explain the odd dollar amount of his deal). So, without getting into anything involving Chicago…we have the following as the base of a deal that could certainly take on other pieces:
Dallas takes Aminu into the JRich TPE
Powell for White + Green into SA space (creates a TPE of $2.957mm)
Sign Sterling into the newly created Green TPE (plus $100k) thus preserving the BAE for next year (or someone else this summer…maybe this is why Boban isn’t signed yet)
Do the Omahen financial shuffle with THJ.
Luka/Brunson
White/Sterling
THJ/Bullock (or vis versa)
DFS/Maxi (or vis versa)
KP/WCS.
That folks is improvement and pretty good cap management going all the way back to the JRich TPE.
(08-08-2021, 02:44 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Well, let’s try to make all of this work.
THJ is waiting to do a declining deal (as Omahen said).
Bullock announcing for the full MLE means we are over the cap and the $10.8mm TPE is in play (so Aminu is a go).
Maxi plus Green for White doesn’t create a TPE. Maxi by himself isn’t a trade match for White. So, it has to be Maxi plus a very small contract or Powell if you are trading for White in such a way as to create a TPE of $2.957mm by also sending Green. Does SA have space? Well, we don’t know for sure as the Forbes amount isn’t announced…(another Excel client). But, as an under the cap team, SA can’t go over with FA’s signing into space. Once they get to $112.4mm, they can create space again by sending Aminu here into our TPE…so this works. BTW, Moses can’t be aggregated yet, but he can be traded into space.
Houston sends S. Brown here for the TPE plus $100k which fits by $33k (and helps explain the odd dollar amount of his deal). So, without getting into anything involving Chicago…we have the following as the base of a deal that could certainly take on other pieces:
Dallas takes Aminu into the JRich TPE
Powell for White + Green into SA space (creates a TPE of $2.957mm)
Sign Sterling into the newly created Green TPE (plus $100k) thus preserving the BAE for next year (or someone else this summer…maybe this is why Boban isn’t signed yet)
Do the Omahen financial shuffle with THJ.
Luka/Brunson
White/Sterling
THJ/Bullock (or vis versa)
DFS/Maxi (or vis versa)
KP/WCS.
That folks is improvement and pretty good cap management going all the way back to the JRich TPE.
That would be perfect if the Spurs would do it. Not sure how high they are on White and if they would want a pick too.
I would be perfectly fine if Mavs took Lamb in TE for a smaller asset. Just use the damn thing
(08-06-2021, 02:03 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]This is the Mavs’ best leverage against a Dragic trade:
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_find...?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=brunsja01&p1yrfrom=2021&player_id2=dragigo01&p2yrfrom=2021
It really isn’t close. People seem to have forgotten how awesome Brunson was last season because of the last 4-5 games of the Clippers series.
I consider Brunson more of a shooting guard to be honest. He does create but mostly for himself
(08-08-2021, 03:11 PM)MFFL Wrote: [ -> ]I consider Brunson more of a shooting guard to be honest. He does create but mostly for himself
Those playoffs destroyed sentiment on Brunson.
All it takes is one good playoffs to completely reverse that.
Here’s to Brunson bouncing back and getting better. :drink
(08-08-2021, 02:44 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Well, let’s try to make all of this work.
THJ is waiting to do a declining deal (as Omahen said).
Bullock announcing for the full MLE means we are over the cap and the $10.8mm TPE is in play (so Aminu is a go).
Maxi plus Green for White doesn’t create a TPE. Maxi by himself isn’t a trade match for White. So, it has to be Maxi plus a very small contract or Powell if you are trading for White in such a way as to create a TPE of $2.957mm by also sending Green. Does SA have space? Well, we don’t know for sure as the Forbes amount isn’t announced…(another Excel client). But, as an under the cap team, SA can’t go over with FA’s signing into space. Once they get to $112.4mm, they can create space again by sending Aminu here into our TPE…so this works. BTW, Moses can’t be aggregated yet, but he can be traded into space.
Houston sends S. Brown here for the TPE plus $100k which fits by $33k (and helps explain the odd dollar amount of his deal). So, without getting into anything involving Chicago…we have the following as the base of a deal that could certainly take on other pieces:
Dallas takes Aminu into the JRich TPE
Powell for White + Green into SA space (creates a TPE of $2.957mm)
Sign Sterling into the newly created Green TPE (plus $100k) thus preserving the BAE for next year (or someone else this summer…maybe this is why Boban isn’t signed yet)
Do the Omahen financial shuffle with THJ.
Luka/Brunson
White/Sterling
THJ/Bullock (or vis versa)
DFS/Maxi (or vis versa)
KP/WCS.
That folks is improvement and pretty good cap management going all the way back to the JRich TPE.
Why do we take back Aminu here? We should get a first for that.
(08-08-2021, 03:19 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Why do we take back Aminu here? We should get a first for that.
I assume it's because of how much Dan values Derrick White.
White is worth a first at least and he definitely solves the secondary creator hole.
(08-08-2021, 03:19 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]Those playoffs destroyed sentiment on Brunson.
All it takes is one good playoffs to completely reverse that.
Here’s to Brunson bouncing back and getting better. :drink
No, that´s who he has always been. He´s very good at putting the ball and his head down, getting to his spots and score at a high percentage. He´s never been good, when trying to play like a true PG, dribble and have his head up to scan the floor for developing plays. It crashes his system. That´s when he gets incredibly sloppy with the ball and turns it over.
Another reason we so desperately need another playmaker, not only to reduce Luka´s workload, but also to allow Brunson to play to his strengths.
I also agree that the play-offs destroyed the sentiment of Brunson, but here we enter another perception vs. reality debate. Playing Trey Burke over Brunson in the last games had that psychological effect, because obviously if you are replaced by Trey Burke you had to be horrible.
The reality is that he was very good in the first three games, when all the Mavs played out of their mind and he was really bad in the last four games, also like all the Mavs, except Luka/DFS.
(08-08-2021, 03:35 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I assume it's because of how much Dan values Derrick White.
White is worth a first at least and he definitely solves the secondary creator hole.
I understand that, but we already give up Green as a first here. Why throw away Powell and the TPE too?
(08-08-2021, 03:19 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Why do we take back Aminu here? We should get a first for that.
Because White is way more valuable than just Powell and Green. I actually have my doubts about SA interest in such a deal, as they don't really care about bad salaries as a rebuilding team. They would prefer picks, imho.
And to add - I don't think 10 mil expiring costs a FRP to dump.
(08-08-2021, 03:40 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Why throw away Powell and the TPE too?
Aminu = bad contract
Powell = Aminu X 2
(08-08-2021, 03:41 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]And to add - I don't think 10 mil expiring costs a FRP to dump.
Piggybacking off this, there was a precedent sort of set this offseason with Detroit sending Plumlee to Charlotte for the 37th and 57th pick in this years draft. So 2 low 2nds is the going rate for 9M this year and a partial guarantee next year.
(08-08-2021, 03:41 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Because White is way more valuable than just Powell and Green. I actually have my doubts about SA interest in such a deal, as they don't really care about bad salaries as a rebuilding team. They would prefer picks, imho.
And to add - I don't think 10 mil expiring costs a FRP to dump.
Aminu = bad contract
Powell = Aminu X 2
That´s what I say:
keep useful Powell - stay away from useless Aminu. xD
Use the TPE on a player that actually helps us or brings a real asset with him.
Everything costs a FRP!
(08-08-2021, 03:39 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]No, that´s who he has always been. He´s very good at putting the ball and his head down, getting to his spots and score at a high percentage. He´s never been good, when trying to play like a true PG, dribble and have his head up to scan the floor for developing plays. It crashes his system. That´s when he gets incredibly sloppy with the ball and turns it over.
Another reason we so desperately need another playmaker, not only to reduce Luka´s workload, but also to allow Brunson to play to his strengths.
I also agree that the play-offs destroyed the sentiment of Brunson, but here we enter another perception vs. reality debate. Playing Trey Burke over Brunson in the last games had that psychological effect, because obviously if you are replaced by Trey Burke you had to be horrible.
The reality is that he was very good in the first three games, when all the Mavs played out of their mind and he was really bad in the last four games, also like all the Mavs, except Luka/DFS.
My take on the Clippers series and Brunson is analogous to a Toyota Camry vs. something more versatile like a Jeep or something more powerful like a Corvette.
Brunson is like a Toyota Camry or a Honda Civic. In most situations he will deliver, but if he’s asked to go off-road or out pace someone, that’s not gonna be his game.
The Clippers defense was championship level. At times it took a Jeep to get over and around, other times it took a Corvette to cut through or to out pace. When they went small with even more speed, they overwhelmed Brunson.
This isn’t saying anything good about Brunson. It’s more or less saying he’s not a championship level guard if facing the Clippers or another defense like it. But against MOST of the nba, he is more than competent.
Competency at that level shouldn’t be discarded as if it has no value. Maybe his competency, combined with another player of a different competency, could allow him to find more solid footing. (Dragic as the crafty vet; Brunson as the younger workhorse)
Also, he’s very young. He could surprise us and learn from the Clippers playoff defense experience. He’s very talented at putting the ball in the hole when he is able to play at his pace. I’ve got my hope in an idea that what he’ll learn from last summer will force him to implement some new tricks and change up his process. A sliver here and there is sometimes all it takes when you are as skilled as he is.
I don’t know if Nico will be happy with a Honda Civic long-term, but I like that he’s young, very good overall and has a chance to improve still.
(08-08-2021, 03:40 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I understand that, but we already give up Green as a first here. Why throw away Powell and the TPE too?
I'm not sure I anticipated an argument that the following is too much for Derrick White:
1. Offloading Powell (so now we only have 4 centers)
2. Getting rid of the pick who most classify as the wrong guy at that slot
3. Using Cuban's wallet to eat $10 million in salary (BTW, the expiring deal of Aminu probably has more flexibility for future trades than the TPE).
I see the argument that we need to add more to entice SA, but if that poo poo platter is too much for a secondary playmaker who can create for himself and others, plays good D and winning basketball, then we should just shut down all this talk that the off-season is a failure because we didn't get a secondary playmaker.
(08-08-2021, 05:53 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]1. Offloading Powell (so now we only have 4 centers)
Dan, I'm curious about your current thoughts regarding Powell's potential on
this team.
I'm asking because I personally see one interpretation of the roster's current state as them planning to give him a chance to win his job back - the one he had the season before last. I'm not confident about that at all, but it has certainly seemed like a possibility to me and I've seen others suggest it, too.
However, if
you of all people have given up on it, then I suppose that's probably the last bit of info I need to officially move on.
(08-08-2021, 05:53 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure I anticipated an argument that the following is too much for Derrick White:
1. Offloading Powell (so now we only have 4 centers)
2. Getting rid of the pick who most classify as the wrong guy at that slot
3. Using Cuban's wallet to eat $10 million in salary (BTW, the expiring deal of Aminu probably has more flexibility for future trades than the TPE).
I see the argument that we need to add more to entice SA, but if that poo poo platter is too much for a secondary playmaker who can create for himself and others, plays good D and winning basketball, then we should just shut down all this talk that the off-season is a failure because we didn't get a secondary playmaker.
If you look at every trade like that, everybody will want to trade with you.
White is a backup guard who is squeezed out of their rotation.
1. Why not Brown or WCS if you want to include a center.
2. An olympic bronze medal winner
3. TPE is for free, totally useless Aminu costs 10 Mio $
But I still think the problem is deep hate for Powell. You wanna pay to get rid of him not to get White.