(01-18-2021, 01:02 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Is that one of the quickest FRP to out of the league stories there have been?
Less than 2 years, and his team is going to cut him solely because of his mental. Pretty crazy.
He really has to be a very special kind of a headcase, because he showed a lot of talent last year, so it certainly isn't easy for a team to just dump him.
(01-18-2021, 12:51 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2927...m-outburst
That must have been some major outburst, given that all charges were dropped in the car-gun-weed-incident and he showed serious promise as a rookie.
Was JET the uncle or the replacement father to him? I know JET praised him before the draft, and that there were major red flags about his character.
I seem to be the only one, but I'm still geeking out over the fact that Dennis Smith Jr can't even get off the bench in NY. Like, he's probably not going to be in the NBA after his rookie deal ends. It's bananas.
(01-18-2021, 01:19 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I seem to be the only one, but I'm still geeking out over the fact that Dennis Smith Jr can't even get off the bench in NY. Like, he's probably not going to be in the NBA after his rookie deal ends. It's bananas.
Sooo, you're geeked out over the Mavs drafting that guy? Sure they got a sucker to take him, but that is a Mavs draft pick.
(01-18-2021, 01:33 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Sooo, you're geeked out over the Mavs drafting that guy?
No, not at all. I was very against him before that draft. I got on board (like a good fan) afterwards, but I was skeptical beforehand.
Still, I DID think he showed enough here to encourage us. People were saying with a straight face back then that he was a franchise building block. Some even thought he could be the best player on a good team.
The second Luka started being Luka, the pecking order became clear, but by that point, I felt DSJ had shown enough to where SOMEONE would want him, and I assumed he'd make it in the NBA as a rotation player, at least.
I think it's bananas that he has completely lost any toehold he had in such a short time. I find it truly fascinating. Is there ANY doubt now that Carlisle is much better with young talent than advertised? Like, do we actually think DSJ would be unable to get into games if he were still here?
Aaron Gordon is a defensive stud :O
(01-18-2021, 01:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]No, not at all. I was very against him before that draft. I got on board (like a good fan) afterwards, but I was skeptical beforehand.
Still, I DID think he showed enough here to encourage us. People were saying with a straight face back then that he was a franchise building block. Some even thought he could be the best player on a good team.
The second Luka started being Luka, the pecking order became clear, but by that point, I felt DSJ had shown enough to where SOMEONE would want him, and I assumed he'd make it in the NBA as a rotation player, at least.
I think it's bananas that he has completely lost any toehold he had in such a short time. I find it truly fascinating. Is there ANY doubt now that Carlisle is much better with young talent than advertised? Like, do we actually think DSJ would be unable to get into games if he were still here?
Uh yes. DSJ only played heavy minutes, when our intentions were to suck/we had no other choice left. It also afforded DFS a window, with the minutes needed to develop into a legit NBA player, that he probably would have never seen otherwise.
If the team is in WIN NOW-mode Carlisle will always trust the veteran more than the young player. Iwundu has been as bad as Green, yet he gets the starts and majority of minutes. Furthermore neither being atrocious offensively has given 23 year old Tyler Bey any look.
I think it´s a combination of the Mavs being real sh*t at drafting and Carlisle favouring veterans over rookies, therefore restricting their actual and necessary NBA minutes for development. Of course there are always circumstances, where he has no choice, due to overall franchise direction or the leverage the draft position grants a rookie. It makes a difference whether you are taken 4th or 24th. You can´t just ignore a 4th pick, even if he might suck as much as the 24th pick.
Randle is hurt and out on his feet. You can literally see the exhaustion. That Thibs style is just not sustainable over a full season anymore.
Also I was wrong. Guess the Magic really do go in the tank. This draft must be real special to just quit from a 6-2 record and not even try to get an emergency PG.
(01-18-2021, 02:09 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it´s a combination of the Mavs being real sh*t at drafting and Carlisle favouring veterans over rookies, therefore restricting their actual and necessary NBA minutes for development.
Agree with some of your post, and definitely don't want to get into yet another debate about Carlisle with someone who has clearly bought into the hive mind and not likely to change their mind, but...I'd say DSJ points to the exact opposite conclusion about the coach.
Yes, he HAD to play the kid. It was clearly the organizational approach at that time, finally, to pick a prospect in the lottery and build around them. Smith was their first stab at that, Luka their second.
My point is that at times here, DSJ looked competent. Good, even. I believe that him completely falling off a cliff to the point where he might not have a job in the league soon points to how WELL Carlisle was doing with him here. Knowing what we know now, that can't have been easy, but I do feel like had Smith remained here they would've worked through some of the issues he's having and he would've reached something much closer to his true potential.
Then again, maybe I'm completely wrong and something has CHANGED with Smith's personality. His confidence? His general motivation and direction in life? Not sure, really, but my original comment was just meant to point to how bizarre it is that he has gone from "interesting, might have some potential" to "jesus, get that guy out of here" sooooo quickly.
(01-18-2021, 02:25 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]This draft must be real special to just quit from a 6-2 record and not even try to get an emergency PG.
Cade Cunningham is the supposed jewel of all the jewels of this draft. Supposed to be the best prospect since 2018.
(01-18-2021, 02:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Then again, maybe I'm completely wrong and something has CHANGED with Smith's personality. His confidence? His general motivation and direction in life? Not sure, really, but my original comment was just meant to point to how bizarre it is that he has gone from "interesting, might have some potential" to "jesus, get that guy out of here" sooooo quickly.
DSJ lost his (step-)mother late in 2019. Add the expectations of being the immediate core piece and (only relevant) player talent of the Porzingis trade. Add the fact that the Knicks fans booed him out of the building (not sure about the proximity to the death of his mother).
It´s obvious he needs a change of scenery. It´s just like with Fultz in Philly. The baggage is already too much in NYC.
Yeah maybe returning to the Mavs in a humbled state and becoming the back-up to Luka would be an option, but I think he needs a completely fresh start (as a back-up) somewhere.
(01-18-2021, 02:46 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah maybe returning to the Mavs in a humbled state and becoming the back-up to Luka would be an option, but I think he needs a completely fresh start (as a back-up) somewhere.
Oh, I was in NO way proposing him as a Mavs target. Been there, done that. Sorry if that was unclear. I only brought up the Mavs to point to the idea that despite the (rumored) opinions of those around DSJ, it seems he was NOT better off getting out of Dallas, after all.
You might be right that a change of scenery could help, but at this point, I'm honestly not sure he gets another chance. Even if he does, working your way into a rotation as a minimum free agent signee with no shine seems to be REALLY difficult. To your point from earlier, you get tons of chances when you're a recent lottery pick. Most teams have recent investments about whom they're excited, and coming in unheralded off of the street to pass them seems to require a determination and work ethic that DSJ hasn't shown.
(01-18-2021, 04:48 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]I would like to see Boban use that move.
Honestly Luka needs to adopt that move.
(01-18-2021, 05:10 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly Luka needs to adopt that move.
I was just thinking if Boban jumps backwards into you, it might be lethal.
(01-18-2021, 02:31 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Cade Cunningham is the supposed jewel of all the jewels of this draft. Supposed to be the best prospect since 2018.
Better then Trae and Bagley wow!!!!!
Yeah on paper this draft class is the opposite of last years.
Top 10 is stacked but the rest is a bit weak.
