(06-23-2021, 08:08 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]"Interesting" piece. I just can't see any possible way GSW could sign THJ unless he accepts rMLE or less. They have 168 mil of committed salary plus roughly 9 mil for their FRP. Even if they dump Wiggins and Wiseman for nothing they would still be at roughly 136 mil. So still no way to stay under the hard cap if they would like to go full MLE or SnT. It would really take an incredible sacrifice by THJ or even more cost cutting moves by GSW to make this more than theory.
Link not working for me, but what is the context here?
THS was GSW for almost 7 years, it seems a beat writer asking him if he would like his son there, and he wss like,sure, yeah
(06-23-2021, 08:14 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]Link not working for me, but what is the context here?
THS was GSW for almost 7 years, it seems a beat writer asking him if he would like his son there, and he wss like,sure, yeah
I read the text Dan posted (which is transcript from the article), that's it. I think there is enough context there and it is basically what you said plus day dreaming about how GSW could do it.
If THJ would sacrifice to go somewhere else after saying he wants to stay (before all this other stuff happened), that would be damning for the organization. Also, if he is willing to sacrifice money for the GSW, why not the Mavs? I would love THJ for $11M (just north of the MLE that most teams can offer him).
After him signing a 4/$47M (starting at $11M and $1M raises each year), we have plenty of money to go after some big targets. I guess there is the question of why penny pinch though, right?
(06-23-2021, 12:23 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I am EXPECTING the new management to trade JB this summer. Will be shocked if they don't.
It would probably make sense if they can can a starter worthy player, but based on recent reports I'm not sure new management is going to be significantly different than old management.
(06-23-2021, 08:42 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]After him signing a 4/$47M (starting at $11M and $1M raises each year), we have plenty of money to go after some big targets. I guess there is the question of why penny pinch though, right?
The discussion was never about him wanting to sign contract as you say while we as fantasy GM want to pay him more.
That would be awesome for the Mavs, but no way THJ signs for 4/47. I'm afraid he's going to command 17-20 per year. I would be glad to be wrong however.
(06-23-2021, 09:27 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]That would be awesome for the Mavs, but no way THJ signs for 4/47. I'm afraid he's going to command 17-20 per year. I would be glad to be wrong however.
Get his dad in his ear about taking less money to go to GSW, then flip the script and have him sign here for less instead!
I still want the list of teams that would want THJ that have the money to sign him for more than the MLE.
Back when the Mavs still had stability/credibility I dreamed about some kind of agreement. Smaller first year salary. Bigger contract next summer. 1/12. Followed by 2/40. Wasn´t realistic to begin with. Not even worth mentioning in the current situation.
(06-23-2021, 09:48 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Back when the Mavs still had stability/credibility I dreamed about some kind of agreement. Smaller first year salary. Bigger contract next summer. 1/12. Followed by 2/40. Wasn´t realistic to begin with. Not even worth mentioning in the current situation.
Can you tell me the teams that have the money and need for him above the MLE? Cause honestly, I can see this scenario play out that exact way. If no one can give him more than MLE, he can sign a 1 year for less with the promise that when money fully doesn't matter (next year) we'll get him more. The only other option is SnT where we'll get an asset for him, and I'm good with that tbqh. Give me a project and an unprotected 2023 first and I'll go get my scorers with the huge amount of assets I now have.
(06-23-2021, 09:27 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]That would be awesome for the Mavs, but no way THJ signs for 4/47. I'm afraid he's going to command 17-20 per year. I would be glad to be wrong however.
I like Hardaway. He fits in really well here and has been a valuable piece to the team. The further we get away from the season though, the more I am leaning towards preferring not to bring him back. I just think a guy like Derozan is the better player, even if fit may not be as great as it is with Hardaway. Let upgrade our top end talent and then fill in the pieces.
If you are paying Hardaway 18-20 million, he better be a starter and he better be one of your top 3 players. I think Hardaway can start here long term, but you really need to hit your other starters. He is still dependent on Luka for Offense too. AT 18-20 million it is tough to build a contender if he is not a near all star talent....especially when your expected second best player is not living up to his salary.
So i find myself leading down the road of Derozan plus 3&D wing this offseason (Batum, Danny Green, Otto Porter, etc). Keep Maxi & Dwight as they could be trade deadline options if you find a better player. Keep our rookies and start giving 1-2 of them some minutes.
(06-23-2021, 09:44 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I still want the list of teams that would want THJ that have the money to sign him for more than the MLE.
I actually created this list a week or two ago. Memphis seems like most dangerous competition, as they really need a shooter. They had to start Allen to spread the floor and I guess THJ is a much better player. They have roughly 12 mil of cap space that could increase to 25 mil if they renounce TO on Winslow, which wouldn't really be a huge loss for them.
If NO loses Ball they could certainly use a shooter of THJ caliber and could have cap space.
As last - if I am a losing team with endless cap space I would gladly sign THJ for 12 mil just to flip him at TDL. It shouldn't be difficult to do it.
(06-23-2021, 09:55 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Can you tell me the teams that have the money and need for him above the MLE? Cause honestly, I can see this scenario play out that exact way. If no one can give him more than MLE, he can sign a 1 year for less with the promise that when money fully doesn't matter (next year) we'll get him more. The only other option is SnT where we'll get an asset for him, and I'm good with that tbqh. Give me a project and an unprotected 2023 first and I'll go get my scorers with the huge amount of assets I now have.
Question is if he still wants to sign the deal with the Mavs. Not to mention that the Mavs have to be willing to pay him next year. Luka extension. Brunson and DFS? Comes down to Cuban´s willingness to pay luxury tax.
(06-23-2021, 10:11 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Comes down to Cuban´s willingness to pay luxury tax.
For me it is very simple. If Cuban is unwilling to pay luxury tax Mavs will not be champions. From next season Mavs have to be tax payers or they are not serious. I think we know what this means for Luka long term future with Mavs.
(06-23-2021, 10:00 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]As last - if I am a losing team with endless cap space I would gladly sign THJ for 12 mil just to flip him at TDL. It shouldn't be difficult to do it.
Right, but if we’re talking about $12M, there’s no reason we are not that team. I’m talking about what team pays him at $16M or more. So there are a few teams that would and could pay him at a bargain price. We should be in that group of teams too. If Mem gives him a contract for $12M, we could go 2 ways with a counter. The dfs1998 route of matching for 1 year with the promise of upping it next year when money doesn’t matter, or giving him extra years or extra money than the actual offer (or both).
(06-23-2021, 10:00 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I actually created this list a week or two ago. Memphis seems like most dangerous competition, as they really need a shooter. They had to start Allen to spread the floor and I guess THJ is a much better player. They have roughly 12 mil of cap space that could increase to 25 mil if they renounce TO on Winslow, which wouldn't really be a huge loss for them.
If NO loses Ball they could certainly use a shooter of THJ caliber and could have cap space.
As last - if I am a losing team with endless cap space I would gladly sign THJ for 12 mil just to flip him at TDL. It shouldn't be difficult to do it.
Now we suddenly talking about $12M p.a.? Well the Mavs would gladly pay THJ that, too. You guys always talked about 17-20M p.a. Obviously there is a huge difference between a lottery team paying THJ $12M or $20M?
The market for THJ is a lot more limited than people want to admit. You also have to factor in whether THJ wants to play for a likely loser, too.
GoTime said it perfectly. Let the market set his value and if it goes well above MLE money, you can always negotiate an asset S&T with a contender.
Philly and Lakers would be a the most interesting teams Korkmaz/Hill for THJ or Kuzma for THJ.
(06-23-2021, 10:18 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Right, but if we’re talking about $12M, there’s no reason we are not that team.
Nope, you were talking you are a team offering 11 mil. Thats why I (as OKC for example) am offering 12 mil and THJ gladly takes. So everything comes down to how much you are willing to pay in the end.
(06-23-2021, 10:18 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]If Mem gives him a contract for $12M
If MEM wants him they offer more. They have up to 25 mil of cap space, as I said.
(06-23-2021, 10:18 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]The dfs1998 route of matching for 1 year with the promise of upping it next year when money doesn’t matter
Please give me several examples where this actually happened. It seems a huge pipedream and I don't believe player would take such a risk, no matter what are the circumstances. What if THJ severly injures himself? How will the league look if Mavs offer him 80 mil anyway...
(06-23-2021, 10:26 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Now we suddenly talking about $12M p.a.? Well the Mavs would gladly pay THJ that, too. You guys always talked about 17-20M p.a. Obviously there is a huge difference between a lottery team paying THJ $12M or $20M?
You didn't follow the discussion. IGT said 11, I say 12. IGT says 15, I say 16. IGT says 20, I say you can have him.
(06-23-2021, 10:26 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]GoTime said it perfectly. Let the market set his value and if it goes well above MLE money, you can always negotiate an asset S&T with a contender.
Philly and Lakers would be a the most interesting teams Korkmaz/Hill for THJ or Kuzma for THJ.
I actually covered that too. Both Philly and LAL will very likely be over hard cap (LAL for sure, Philly probably), so no SnT here.
(06-23-2021, 10:00 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I like Hardaway. He fits in really well here and has been a valuable piece to the team. The further we get away from the season though, the more I am leaning towards preferring not to bring him back. I just think a guy like Derozan is the better player, even if fit may not be as great as it is with Hardaway. Let upgrade our top end talent and then fill in the pieces.
If you are paying Hardaway 18-20 million, he better be a starter and he better be one of your top 3 players. I think Hardaway can start here long term, but you really need to hit your other starters. He is still dependent on Luka for Offense too. AT 18-20 million it is tough to build a contender if he is not a near all star talent....especially when your expected second best player is not living up to his salary.
So i find myself leading down the road of Derozan plus 3&D wing this offseason (Batum, Danny Green, Otto Porter, etc). Keep Maxi & Dwight as they could be trade deadline options if you find a better player. Keep our rookies and start giving 1-2 of them some minutes.
I agree...give me a Derozan and Batum off-season with the potential to trade some of our assets in season, and I’ll call it a successful off-season.
(06-23-2021, 10:31 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]It only takes one.
No doubt.
Though if the options are Philly/Lakers or Chicago/New Orleans for example, I think we all know where THJ wants to go. So it also only takes one contender and we are in a very comfortable position.
I love the idea of Korkmaz/Hill and Philly desperately needs another scorer/shooter to balance their team. Korkmaz will likely get paid something around $7-8M/season going forward. Hill is on an expiring contract with just a $1.2M guarantee, so you can do a lot with it. He´s also a good temporary fit for our team. You get Dialllo in from Detroit (maybe for Richardson) and suddenly you have these two young "veteran" prospects at 23/24 years old, that have great size for the SG position. They can probably play some SF, too. Something we have never seen is to unleash the creativity and passing range of Luka in an up-tempo offense with a lot of young legs. Just get easy shots in early offense.
(06-23-2021, 10:53 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]No doubt.
Though if the options are Philly/Lakers or Chicago/New Orleans for example, I think we all know where THJ wants to go. So it also only takes one contender and we are in a very comfortable position.
I love the idea of Korkmaz/Hill and Philly desperately needs another scorer/shooter to balance their team. Korkmaz will likely get paid something around $7-8M/season going forward. Hill is on an expiring contract with just a $1.2M guarantee, so you can do a lot with it. He´s also a good temporary fit for our team. You get Dialllo in from Detroit (maybe for Richardson) and suddenly you have these two young "veteran" prospects at 23/24 years old, that have great size for the SG position. They can probably play some SF, too. Something we have never seen is to unleash the creativity and passing range of Luka in an up-tempo offense with a lot of young legs. Just get easy shots in early offense.
With all due respect, what makes you think Detroit is going to make Diallo available? That's why they traded for him because he fits the narrative for their rebuild, long rangy athletic wings.