SAC interested in Simmons....?
But why?
(07-13-2021, 11:54 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]SAC interested in Simmons....?
But why?
Because they haven't made the playoffs since 2006 and want to.....
Would they do Fox for Simmons?
(07-13-2021, 11:55 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Because they haven't made the playoffs since 2006 and want to.....
I get that but Simmons on their team doesn't work. Fox+Simmons =/= playoffs especially in the West.
Especially because it's going to cost them at least Haliburton+Hield+Bagley+whatever else the 76ers want.
I am not sure any of those teams mentioned is a realistic option to land Simmons.
- Minnesota would sure like him but there is no one it would interest Philly, unless they put Edwards on the table. Russel is massively overpaid. Beasley and Edwards would fit nicely with Philly and this is what I would ask for.
- Sacramento doesn't have top end talent outside of Fox and Haliburton. Even Haliburton plus Hield sounds weak offer. Add #9? But then Sacramento has very little left to build around. Difficult for me to see it for both teams.
- Cleveland would be building offer around Sexton for sure, but that is weak. Their salary matching vets (Love, Prince, Nance) are extremely meh. Asking Cleveland for #3 alongside Sexton probably makes them put down the phone as they have very little left to build around. Philly would really have to be high on Sexton for this to make any sense.
- Indy allegedly offered a deal around Brogdon (plus Warren or Lamb to match salaries?) and #13. Looks like it wasn't flashy enough, although I think this trade kind of make sense for a win now team. Perhaps squeeze another pick from Indy. I fail to see how Indy would work with Simmons, Turner and Sabonis.
- Toronto has an all star type player in Siakam but there is no place for him on Philly as they already have Harris. I guess #4 is off the table for Toronto. FVV and Anunoby makes the offer basically same as Indy.
Siakam to Por, McCollum to Phi and Simmons to Toronto could make sense for everyone involved. Add picks or complimentary moves to level it out
(07-13-2021, 09:31 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Here are main points from Shams piece:
- Simmons available but asking price is high
- many believe Collins is max player, Dallas, Mia, SA, Minny interested
- Knicks frontrunners for Sexton
- Houston aggresive for #1, looking for Gordon trades
- Pels unlikely to match high offer for Ball, Bulls and Clippers most interested
Thanks for the summary.
The low-key headliner to me is the Clippers having interest in a S&T for Ball. They're hard capped by a pretty good margin and can't legally engage in a S&T deal without shedding significant salary. I wonder if that's just bluster or if there's more worry about Kawhi leaving than they're letting on.
(07-13-2021, 09:30 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Who can see behind the paywall?
Only thing that stuck out to me is that Detroit would actually consider trading out of Cade Cunningham to get Jalen Green. Their GM has been great but I'd just take Cade without overthinking it.
(07-13-2021, 01:47 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Only thing that stuck out to me is that Detroit would actually consider trading out of Cade Cunningham to get Jalen Green. Their GM has been great but I'd just take Cade without overthinking it.
Just saw a report that Houston wants Cunningham bad, and is willing to trade the 2nd pick and another asset to get him. I think Weaver is putting out smoke-screens about Green and Mobley. Green has major upside as a scoring wing, but I think ultimately they take Cade. Cade is just the type of "Do everything well" type of player that they need. I mean, he's done a great job so far rebuilding Detroit, with two of his picks making the all-rookie team. There's plenty of work left to be done, but this pick can make or break his legacy and their momentum going forward.
- Simmons available but asking price is high
Probably secures his spot on the 76ers next year. I don't think anyone is going to give up a ton of assets for someone with such a fundamental flaw and with that large of a contract.
(07-13-2021, 11:54 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]SAC interested in Simmons....?
But why?
Totally agree with your concerns about his fit in Sacramento, but when you look at it from the angle of “how in the hell could Sacramento ever even think it was possible to get a player like that” then I think it starts to make a little more sense.
Players like Ben Simmons don’t come available very often. And, he is under contract and will be stuck with whoever trades for him.
I can’t promise that they aren’t just being stupid, like you think they are, in terms of fit, but what I will say is that even if they are smart about it he is the caliber of player you change direction with your roster to get, especially in a situation where they haven’t made the playoffs in forever.
Basically, he doesn’t fit with Fox. He fits with Hield and Halliburton just fine, and on THAT team he could still play point guard, which I bet is what he wants.
(07-13-2021, 04:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Totally agree with your concerns about his fit in Sacramento, but when you look at it from the angle of “how in the hell could Sacramento ever even think it was possible to get a player like that” then I think it starts to make a little more sense.
Players like Ben Simmons don’t come available very often. And, he is under contract and will be stuck with whoever trades for him.
I can’t promise that they aren’t just being stupid, like you think they are, in terms of fit, but what I will say is that even if they are smart about it he is the caliber of player you change direction with your roster to get, especially in a situation where they haven’t made the playoffs in forever.
Basically, he doesn’t fit with Fox. He fits with Hield and Halliburton just fine, and on THAT team he could still play point guard, which I bet is what he wants.
That also might be a best for both teams trade.
(07-13-2021, 04:19 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]That also might be a best for both teams trade.
Would absolutely be better for Sacramento.
Ultimately (unpopular take incoming), I don't think it happens, because I doubt Morey is dumb enough to put a non-shooter on the court with Embiid. Fox, to me, is a huge disappointment. I remember being dazzled by his athletic gifts and hoping the Mavs would draft him, but he hasn't really developed since. Speed is AMAZING, but at his size, to be an effective ball-handler you either need to be a genius level pick and roll guy (like Chris Paul) or an insanely confident shooter (like Lillard). Fox is neither, and in fact I think his shooting is so non-threatening that the idea he'll ever be a pick and roll guy is a non-starter. Guys like that need a two-dribble pull up, AT LEAST.
I would rather have Porzingis on his max than Fox on his, if that gives you an idea of my opinion on Fox.
(07-13-2021, 01:06 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I am not sure any of those teams mentioned is a realistic option to land Simmons.
- Minnesota would sure like him but there is no one it would interest Philly, unless they put Edwards on the table. Russel is massively overpaid. Beasley and Edwards would fit nicely with Philly and this is what I would ask for.
- Sacramento doesn't have top end talent outside of Fox and Haliburton. Even Haliburton plus Hield sounds weak offer. Add #9? But then Sacramento has very little left to build around. Difficult for me to see it for both teams.
- Cleveland would be building offer around Sexton for sure, but that is weak. Their salary matching vets (Love, Prince, Nance) are extremely meh. Asking Cleveland for #3 alongside Sexton probably makes them put down the phone as they have very little left to build around. Philly would really have to be high on Sexton for this to make any sense.
- Indy allegedly offered a deal around Brogdon (plus Warren or Lamb to match salaries?) and #13. Looks like it wasn't flashy enough, although I think this trade kind of make sense for a win now team. Perhaps squeeze another pick from Indy. I fail to see how Indy would work with Simmons, Turner and Sabonis.
- Toronto has an all star type player in Siakam but there is no place for him on Philly as they already have Harris. I guess #4 is off the table for Toronto. FVV and Anunoby makes the offer basically same as Indy.
Siakam to Por, McCollum to Phi and Simmons to Toronto could make sense for everyone involved. Add picks or complimentary moves to level it out
I could see Toronto making a hard push. Unfortunately I don't think Kyle Lowry gets it done. It probably makes Philly a better title contender for the next year or two, but it really shortens their window. The eventual Lowry decline and the ever present threat of an Embid injury would put Philly back as a bad lottery team very quickly if they do not win in the next year or two. I don't see Philly doing that unless they get more assets back. Lowry is an all star though.
For Toronto, they could be right back in contender status if they rebuilt Simmons and hit on pick #4. I believe the Toronto coaching staff would get more out of Simmons than Philly has. A FVV, Trent, Suggs, Simmons pairing would be very fun to watch.
(07-13-2021, 01:32 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the summary.
The low-key headliner to me is the Clippers having interest in a S&T for Ball. They're hard capped by a pretty good margin and can't legally engage in a S&T deal without shedding significant salary. I wonder if that's just bluster or if there's more worry about Kawhi leaving than they're letting on.
I thought that was interesting also. Is there a deal to be had if Kawhi picks Miami and the Heat send some stuff to NO while NO sends Ball to LAC? Take $36mm off of $148mm and add back $20mm? Are you far enough below the line that you don’t mind being hard capped for a year?
It doesn’t all have to trade match if Kawhi goes partially into cap space. Maybe Miami generates enough space that LAC can use a TPE to take in Ball? NO could still take back something from Miami, but doesn’t have to take a ton of salary.
(07-13-2021, 05:52 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Is there a deal to be had if Kawhi picks Miami and the Heat send some stuff to NO while NO sends Ball to LAC? Take $36mm off of $148mm and add back $20mm?
Good idea. Of course I'd rather it be Kawhi choosing Dallas with the Mavs sending stuff to the Pelicans in the deal.
(07-13-2021, 06:16 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Of course I'd rather it be Kawhi choosing Dallas with the Mavs sending stuff to the Pelicans in the deal.
If Kawhi does leaves LAC but not for Mavs, Nico should be fired on spot
This is supposed to be his main strength, everyone can overpay meh star players like DeRozan.
I think Clips could package their misc pieces: PatBev, Rondo, Kennard for Kemba. Thunder would have Kennard who is a young piece who could get more PT there. Kennard didn't get a lot of burn and Kemba would be a major upgrade for Clips. Clips can try to keep Jackson but he probably gets more than 10.5. I think a Kemba is the only chance for them to get better or keep pace at least.
They will lose probably Batum and Jackson. Mann is good. Ibaka is a wildcard, he might be cooked.
Kemba, George, Leonard, Morris, Zubac, Mann is still a good 6 pack of players + they get good talent for vet mins every year.