(12-29-2020, 08:45 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Watching Bulls-Wizards. Now that is some ugly basketball... Chicago desperately needs a true PG. Washington should just bench Westbrook.
Or Beal.
Some teams are just confusing. I assume having Westbrook/Beal signals an intend to compete, but they did nothing to address their problems. Bryant and Bertans are awful defensively. They have absolutely no rim protection. Avdija and Bonga are super-young like most of their depth chart. You´d think they´d at least sign back Mahinmi, maybe add O`Quinn just to get some sort of defensive depth established.
(12-29-2020, 10:15 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Yup he sucks just like everyone around here says.
Not me. I'm a huge fan of Oladipo. He's been terrific so far and would be a huge addition to this team.
(12-29-2020, 10:15 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Yup he sucks just like everyone around here says.
I think it is more helpful to conversation if you don't just lump "everyone" into one pile AND if you don't take a whole collection of nuanced opinions about a guy and make into one oversimplified and misleading word, "sucks."
Here are the issues I have heard from the dissenters on Dipo:
1) He is coming off of one of the single most devastating injuries an athlete can have and if he reinjures that knee he is likely done immediately for his career.
2) He had one AMAZING season. But he has never gotten close to duplicating it (even when healthy).
3) Post injury his performances have not been consistent or all that good.
4) He is demanding a MAX contract.
I and many others have said if he shows he can get back to a star level and the Mavs feel comfortable with the injury risk, then go for it. But if he cannot get back to that consistency then pass.
Look, he is playing pretty solid right now. But it is an incredibly small sample size. If he keeps it up for 30-40 games then I will start being convinced. But for me personally the issue is not primarily his play, but his long term durability coupled with his COST.
(12-30-2020, 02:05 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]OKC Started Isiah Roby at 5 tonight
He looks legit playing the 5, I always thought he had a skillset but the kid has a lot of tools in his bag
We gave him away for free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAwaur_6cUM
Didn't we trade him for WCS?
(12-30-2020, 02:05 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]OKC Started Isiah Roby at 5 tonight
He looks legit playing the 5, I always thought he had a skillset but the kid has a lot of tools in his bag
We gave him away for free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAwaur_6cUM
He destroyed Vucevic's ankles. lol
(12-30-2020, 02:35 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't we trade him for WCS?
No we got Justin Patton who we released
We essentially gave him away for cash + Patton who we released to make room for Cauley-Stein
(12-30-2020, 12:12 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I and many others have said if he shows he can get back to a star level and the Mavs feel comfortable with the injury risk, then go for it. But if he cannot get back to that consistency then pass.
What you are constantly forgetting is that THJ+pick which was discussed as our offer for Dipo is not a price for an all star player, it is a price for a good player, or a price for a star player with all the risks attached. However you want ot put it. You keep bringing up that "amazing" season while, at least myself, I think Oladipo in all other seasons but last one (when he played just a couple of games after injury) was considerably better than THJ. He is basically what we need. A two way player that can facilitate.
If Oladipo performs well, his price will go up. Since we are back to being over the cap, his future salary is basically irrelevant from team building point of view, just for the Cuban wallet. If we want him and keep Richardson (and others) we need to trade for him and get his bird rights.
With all being said, we of course have no idea what Indiana is actually asking. However, it is pretty certain Oladipo will be traded. It is just a matter who will balk first - someone jumps with a good offer or Indiana lowers their asking price. The way he is playing, first scenario is more likely.
Not gonna sweat losing Roby, but just thinking it would be really nice if the NBA had pure minor league contracts where you could send them to G Leage, Europe, or whatever for some amount of time to develop without risking them being grabbed up by some other team. The 2-way contracts are a nice step, but I would consider using those for players that seem closer to making the team while this would be different.
Seems like there’s so many players that are in the mold of, “They could be an NBA contributor if they could just ***.”
(12-30-2020, 05:57 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]What you are constantly forgetting is that THJ+pick which was discussed as our offer for Dipo is not a price for an all star player, it is a price for a good player, or a price for a star player with all the risks attached. However you want ot put it. You keep bringing up that "amazing" season while, at least myself, I think Oladipo in all other seasons but last one (when he played just a couple of games after injury) was considerably better than THJ. He is basically what we need. A two way player that can facilitate.
If Oladipo performs well, his price will go up. Since we are back to being over the cap, his future salary is basically irrelevant from team building point of view, just for the Cuban wallet. If we want him and keep Richardson (and others) we need to trade for him and get his bird rights.
With all being said, we of course have no idea what Indiana is actually asking. However, it is pretty certain Oladipo will be traded. It is just a matter who will balk first - someone jumps with a good offer or Indiana lowers their asking price. The way he is playing, first scenario is more likely.
My feeling with Dipo is that he will go for not much. A contending team could probably grab him for just a protected late first and some other player they don't view as a long-term piece. Being a contender they can risk him not resigning but they would also probably be over the cap and not sweat paying Dipo a lot to keep him there.
I do think whoever gets Dipo will get him for a bargain. Mavs don't have a late round first to offer so I think they would be giving up one of their prospects like Bey or Terry + THJ in the deal. THJ is a good player to move in the deal in that he's expiring and doesn't set the Pacers back too much this season as they would still like to be competitive in the playoffs. For the Mavs I don't think they can have confidence that Dipo will resign so my guess is they only do a deal with an extension as part of the trade.
(12-30-2020, 03:04 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]No we got Justin Patton who we released
We essentially gave him away for cash + Patton who we released to make room for Cauley-Stein
Let's not minimize Donnie's desire to help players with their careers, whether it's in Dallas or elsewhere.
Think of Delon and Justin Jackson. Clearly not a fit in Dallas. One might argue that the trade for Johnson was purely self-serving on the Mavs' part, but one could also argue that it was a benefit to both those players to be put in a situation where they'd get more playing time.
As opposed to Danny Ainge, I think Donnie has done a better job of trades that benefit both teams.
The other route the Mavs could take is taking on a contract like Lamb as part of the deal rather that giving up much in the way of assets. Lamb has been injured but would be a useful rotation player. I would probably be willing to risk Dipo leaving if you only had to take back Lamb as part of a deal. Some kind of THJ + filler for Dipo/Lamb would be alright to me even without an extension. This summer you will have less bidders bc most of the contenders do not have cap space.
(12-30-2020, 05:57 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]What you are constantly forgetting is that THJ+pick which was discussed as our offer for Dipo is not a price for an all star player, it is a price for a good player, or a price for a star player with all the risks attached.
If Oladipo performs well, his price will go up.
How in the world could you possibly know the price? Did I miss something?
All the info I saw hinted that Indiana wanted offers for Oladipo like he was a star, and like he was getting extended with his new team, not just a rental. If he could be had for an expired + one mid-first, I assume someone would’ve pulled the trigger. If the price WAS that low and teams STILL turned up their nose, well, I’d say that tells us an awful lot about how the NBA views the player, either on or off the court, no?
(12-30-2020, 10:45 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Hey @"KillerLeft", you know who is playing well through 4 games?
TOBIAS HARRIS
17.3 pts
8.3 rbds
2.5 asts
1.3 stls
1.3 blks
19.1 PER
45% FG%
40% 3P%
90 FT%
https://twitter.com/jackfrank_jjf/status...5183346694
Oh, I’m sure! He’s a good player. It’s his contract that I can’t abide.
IF the Mavs end up in the position where taking back a bad contract is their only move, I think Green would be my preference, but Harris is a fit under those circumstances, too. I like the fit of both of them more than Horford (who I also like as a player).
I just don’t think we’re there yet.
(12-30-2020, 05:57 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Since we are back to being over the cap, his future salary is basically irrelevant from team building point of view, just for the Cuban wallet.
I believe both you and Kammrath have valid points and are 100% correct from your perspectives.
Perspective 1 (reward) - I agree that Oladiopo is an unquestionable upgrade and possibly comes at a discount. He checks many of the Mavs needs boxes (defense, creator, floor leader, 1st-3rd option depending on the lineup) and much like Hardaway, I believe Luka coupled with Rick’s floor spacing will have a very positive impact on his offensive game so I would be much less concerned with his “one” breakout season.
Perspective 2 (risk) - I also agree that there are valid concerns around injury risk and whether the Mavericks are in a position to accept that risk. The thought of potentially having two max players (2/5 of your starting lineup) as high risk players is definitely a gamble. For me, it’s a no brainer without the injury risk as I think we would see the best Oladipo. However, since that is not our reality, I will trust that the Mavs will do their due diligence if they choose to go in that direction.
Two positions, both valid (in my humble opinion ?).
(12-30-2020, 11:47 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]How in the world could you possibly know the price? Did I miss something?
All the info I saw hinted that Indiana wanted offers for Oladipo like he was a star, and like he was getting extended with his new team, not just a rental. If he could be had for an expired + one mid-first, I assume someone would’ve pulled the trigger. If the price WAS that low and teams STILL turned up their nose, well, I’d say that tells us an awful lot about how the NBA views the player, either on or off the court, no?
I literally said in the same post we don't know Indiana price. For some reason you chose to ignore it. But it still remains we were discussing THJ+pick and a lot of people were strongly against even that price.
(12-30-2020, 05:57 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]With all being said, we of course have no idea what Indiana is actually asking. However, it is pretty certain Oladipo will be traded. It is just a matter who will balk first - someone jumps with a good offer or Indiana lowers their asking price. The way he is playing, first scenario is more likely.
Yeah, sorry @"omahen"...I totally missed this entire paragraph, somehow.
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